/vrg/ - Virtual Reality General #600

To people who don't know, the CCO of VRChat, Ron Millar DESIGNED WARCRAFT, STARCRAFT, and Black and White 2... I'm sure they know each other well. Graham Gaylor, the Co-Founder of vrchat, has a similarly impressive CV and really knows his stuff. Jesse Joudrey worked at a team published by Capcom over a decade ago, and that's just 3 of them. So, to everyone, please, don't make assumptions about the underpinnings of vrchat's systems just because 90% of the CONTENT, which vrchat don't quality control, is super scuffed and made by literal highschoolers in the vast majority of cases. There are tons of other developers working on VRChat. It's a fascinating bit of software that seems to polarize a lot of people, much like second life did. Unfortunately, unless you work in software like me, the perspective of what is going on behind the scenes is really, really skewed. The only people the community interacts with are community managers. They do a great job, honestly, I never hear any complaints about them, just happy memes.
Much of what makes vrchat seem "amateur hour" is because it literally is being made by everyday people, who dink with Unity and 3d as a hobby, and former MikuMikuDance enthusiasts and fringe 3d modelling refugees like me.In it's underpinnings, in my opinion, it does "vr virtual world" better than multi-million dollar corps like SecondLife/Sansar do with less overall bugs, system requirements, and a much easier barrier to entry and content creation. It supports more headsets and accessories than anyone else, like full body tracking, and did so before everyone else did going on 5 years ago, and has one of the highest persistent user bases of any game on steam, period. It also allows far more than other virtual worlds do. The freedom is astounding.
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>>261835116 (Cross-thread)
aaaaaaaaaaa i just climbed out of bed and woke myself up for this in the cold
>3.4gb update
r.i.p shoot you next time cowboys

Continued


I personally love Carmack and his innovative genius, I grew up playing his games and wanting to work in that environment, but it's possible there's not much that they're not already doing. What VRChat does is cutting edge with the number of users they have, full stop. I've personally worked on unity clones to vrchat before. I've used EVERY virtual world available, in VR, for over 6 years. It's simple to make something similar in design with the free tools available with unity, but not easy to make something that scales to 8k users a day worldwide as they have. You might be surprised.
They have very few legitimate competitors for very good reasons. I deeply respect the app and it's staff on the whole.All that being said, John may have access to something related to solving this difficult networking optimization issue that VrChat team doesn't have access to at the moment. Remember he's the CTO of OculusVR. He is also working with chief scientist of Oculus, Michael Abrash. If anything, it's not a lack of knowledge: it may be a lack of access to a tool or something Oculus may be able to provide.

>>261845375
can lhun fuckoff already?
just because someone helped a team design something doesn't mean they're a software engineer capable of fixing shit
if you wish vrchat to get better, it requires a full rewrite, period.

So was there a Pavlov update or what, should we all rehost?

Happy 600th thread, /vrg/!

>>261845696
How should i pronounce lhun?
El hun, el hoon, loon, lun?

>>261845696

Is he working for them? The community managers like Tupper and Owlboy write similar shit to defend the vrchat devs. Every update breaks something. They should be called upbreaks.

>>261845392
Fair warning if you update you might be on the wrong version for the server anyway

>>261845375
>Graham Gaylor, the Co-Founder of vrchat
>Gaylor

/vrg/ I know you only want to talk about VRC and titty games but holy shit you guys are my ONLY HOPE with this problem

You see, Please Don't Touch Anything, when it first released, was my favorite VR game. The one-button control scheme was perfect and simple. It was definitely on my list of games to show people when they tried VR for the first time. BUT when the Oculus Touch controllers came out, they updated Please Don't Touch Anything to support the Touch controllers and updated the lighting for some reason. The Touch controls are fucking terrible. The hands get stuck on shit and pressing shit on the panel is awkward as fuck. People I've shown it to since the update just get frustrated and want to play something else. On top of that, the new dynamic lighting is also shitty. It makes the entire room look like ass.

This update was forever ago, but every time I think about how they ruined this perfect game I get mad as fuck. Does anyone know of any way I can access the 1.0 release of PDTA VR again? Trying to contact devs is impossible since each version has different devs and publishers. I'm pretty sure it's just a publisher that hires code monkeys. I've tried looking for a torrent, but I only get results for the 2D version of the game because they both have the exact same name.

I don't know what to do. I know this has been an incredibly autistic rant, but holy shit PDTA VR 2.0 is so shit compared to the original and I just want to be able to play it again.

This time will be the last time I post this since I don't want to bother you guys, and I know I am literally the only person in the world that gives a shit about this.

>>261846126
>I've used EVERY virtual world available, in VR, for over 6 years. It's simple to make something similar in design with the free tools available with unity, but not easy to make something that scales to 8k users a day worldwide as they have. You might be surprised.

>but not easy to make something that scales to 8k users a day worldwide as they have.
>scales to 8k users a day worldwide as they have.
>scales to 8k users a day
>8k
does he know how little this is in comparison to many other games?
seems like lhun doesn't know anything about game networking at grand scale

>>261845194 (Cross-thread)
retard post of the day
>>261846381
find an outdated pirated copy uploaded somewhere

you're crazy if you think I'm gonna read all that

>>261846381
Gazelle Games (private tracker) has version 27.01.2017, dunno if that's the one you are searching for.

>>261845375
lhun should get hired as a community manager to handle certain cases where half of the community gets cloudflare banned, i'm sure he would do well
or when 30% of the recent content gets wiped in a maintenance update

So Ron designed Warcraft and Starcraft? lel

>>261846981
He didn't, check imdb
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1051401/
he has proper credits here, the rest is blown out of the water to inflate his CV.

>>261846707
As far as I can tell, the Oculus version of the game was never uploaded anywhere.

>>261846792
I think this is the Steam version, which was just a port of the Touch updated version of the game. The Touch update was released alongside the Touch controllers on Dec 6, 2016. Any version uploaded after then is 99% likely going to be the Touch updated version.

https://www.nomanssky.com/2019/08/no-mans-sky-beyond-trailer/
https://youtu.be/PM7ArMxUFR0
https://youtu.be/zUGZYh2HxHM
No Man's Sky Beyond - and by extension, No Man's Sky VR - drops next Wednesday, August 14th.

>want to join pavlov
>no servers have names, just hosts and maps
???

>>261847471
Select Community Servers

>>261846381
Cant help but i hope you find it

Do you guys use vrctools?

>>261847273
Coincidentally, No Man's Sky is half off in Humble Bundle.
https://www.humblebundle.com/store/no-mans-sky

Anon who was bitching about the index face gasket here. I attached the foam cover from the vive with some velcro buttons, making the headset significantly more comfortable. Hopefully the adhesive will stay in place long enough for me to get a proper replacement.

>VR tiddy games will forever be nothing more than virtual sex dolls with obtuse, buggy controls reserved for only the most dedicated autists
>there will never be crafted VR tiddy experiences only sex sandboxes

>>261848235
I find the Index significantly more confortable than my Vive + DAS setup, but to each their own.

>>261848290
Is monster girl island any good?

>>261848505
Is that one supposed to be VR?

>>261848596
Only the H scenes.

>>261848652

>>261845375
>>261848782 (Cross-thread)

What's the dirtiest avatar you've ever seen someone wearing at a public VRchat world?

>pregnant Kana
>cat-shotas wearing only speedo
>completely 100% naked slime-girl lolis
>one of the "derpy" foxgirl avatars dressed as a hooker
>Samus in lingere with a massive bulge
>mfw I discovered (by accident) my favorite kawaii loli avatar I saved from a public avatar world has a thong under her skirt

>>261848845
???
Only a bunch of h-scenes are VR compatible. Full game outside of them is not supported afaik.

>>261846006
Sure about that? Can't force it to update.

ggs pavlovers

>>261845674
god I wish that were me

>>261848418
Likewise, not sure what shape this guy's face is that he prefers his Vive.

This is the first game to bring me close to tears.

>>261849741
Great stuff, I recently managed to beat Expert.

>>261848505
No. Barely even qualifies as VR.

>>261849741
There are a couple moods/envoirments/whatever the fuck that are really cozy
https://youtu.be/zxXW83gYpTI
This one is my favourite.
That being said, a lot of them (vocal ones especially) are pretty cringey. I wish they would use japanese voices or something so I wouldn't understand the lyrics, which are like a parody of pop songs.
>I'm yours forever :DDDDD
>Touch da sky :DDDDDD
>We're all connected :DDDDD
Beat Saber managed to have vocal songs without triggering my autistic incel rage.

>>261850172
The vocal tracks are literally the best ones. They just have the weakest visualizers.

>>261850172
Not him but I get exactly what you mean, the stages with the Monstercat-levels of normie vocal EDM were my least favourite, but eh still sounded OK enough that I wasn't completely disgusted.

>>261850367
>The vocal tracks are literally the best ones.
It's very likely they are. Still hate them. They remind me of that fucking Clean Bandit - Solo song. I wanted to shoot myself everytime that was on the radio and it probably contributed to me quitting my fucking job kek.

>>261850367
post your favourite one.

>>261846981
>>261847115
>Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness (Video Game) (manual designer) / (scenario designer) / (scenario layout)
>Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal (Video Game) (design consultant)
>Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness (Video Game) (manual artwork) / (senior designer)
>Warcraft: Orcs & Humans (Video Game) (3D artist) / (artist)
>Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal (Video Game) Character Voices #5 (voice)
>Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness (Video Game) (voice, as Ronald Millar)
>Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness (Video Game) (layout artist)
>StarCraft (Video Game) (thanks)

>manual designer
>scenario layout
>scenario designer
>design consultant
>manual artwork
>senior designer
>3D artist
>artist
>voice
>layout artist
>thanks

I like how is he credited with something completely different every time. That's probably nothing unusual, but still makes me chuckle.

Also, StarCraft:
>thanks

>>261852152
All of that stuff has absolutely nothing to do with code or actual systems designs ynderpinning the game performance or even gameplay...

>>261852152
Oh so he did asset work

>>261847993
Reminder if you buy from GOG it requires Galaxy and is not cross-compatible with steam players.

GG pavlovers.
See you all sunday.

Eternal reminder to love your grenades. 200 bucks for a flash is fucking nothing and will give you the advantage on rushes.

fuck grenades and fuck clippies

/vroes/...I can't believe knight chase is on pink pills

Tonights streamables!
https://streamable.com/32n2k
I'm gonna go take a shower now

>>261854095
Show us part 2.

and your VRdick

>>261854095
Is that a Madness Combat avatar?

>>261856662
sure is

>cleetus isn't even around anymore
>na pavlov still dead
oof

https://streamable.com/m5jnu
This was in the space of about 5-6 rounds.

>>261857718
tfw

>>261857705
There's an update coming. Maybe it will fix some shit. Though I fully expect scoreboards to be broken and will probably call it quits like the rest of NA due to that.

>>261854095
>accidentally shoots his teammate dead
>accidentally shoots his corpse
>>261857718
>losing a body shot pistol duel to a 1911 when you have a five-seven
it's ok it happens to me too
>dunked by a smg from across the map because no helmet
rolled the dice and lost

most of those other engagements was just bad luck and there was no way you were going to win that, could have flanked further to the left and had cover to get at konner behind the ramps, btw if you know htere's a sniper somewhere and you have an assault rifle or smg, just place semi-auto shots constantly where he will appear to keep his head down, he doesn't want to step into a bullet so you provide your own cover, you should have been tap tap tapping away at konners sniping spot instead of waiting for him to appear, would have increased your chance of living

>>261858228
eu fills their lobby to 16 people 3 times a week without fail
i don't know what the na excuse is

>>261857718
>slowly laying down
>muffled continuous gun shots and grenade in the background
the horror of war

>>261858505
they're too H I G H L E V E L. They achieved absolution. At that level playing weekly would just dull their razor sharp skills.

>>261857705
I think the skill gap killed it. About 5 players would always do exceptionally but rarely played together so they got bored of the lack of challenge, and everyone else got frustrated by the game being decided predictably from the moment the scoreboard was visible by which team the best player was on. By the time custom servers came out it was already too late and most had realized they liked being together more than they liked Pavlov so they were already consumed by other activities, and it gradually dying as population dwindled to unsustainable levels. The same will happen to EU Pavlov if players don't attempt to balance teams.

does hiina lobby still segfault after every round?

>>261859120
Kinda

>>261859231
eu lobby works fine..

>>261859279
it crashes most of the time on map end too, unless today was somehow different

>>261859449
I don't think we've ever experienced numerous crashes on the euro lobbies. It has only happened a couple times, then again I don't get to play Sunday games, so I have no idea if the server is more likely to be more unstable on that day.

>>261859070
I could use some change, I don't think Onward or Contractors are ever getting a workshop support. Almost Q4 of 2019 and we still only have one game.

>>261858505
i got bored lol

>>261857705
He was around last week and was just as obnoxious as ever. Luckily school is starting soon and him and all the other borderline underage will start to actually disperse.
>>261859070
The real issue was unironically the AWP. It seriously wears on a lobby. Remember that it was not finally nerfed until very recently and by the time that happened NA lobbies were FUBAR by the autism cannon and the implacable spergs using it.

>>261860612
we had 3 crashes in the 4 maps I played last Sunday

>>261861140
It was dying off even before the AWP.

>>261854095
>>261855158
Part 2 of The Team Killing X2
https://streamable.com/57tjz

Pavlov is a really shitty fucking game, the only other game that I remember had so many trades was some F2P battlefield knock off I played ages ago. Bugs on top of bugs, early access feel, Dave should thank his lucky star everyone else is even more incompetent than him or just ignore VR altogether.

>>261862658
The trades are partly due to projectiles, and partly due to players with over 300 ms ping. The occasional terrible netcode, too.

http://poal.me/prg3md
Don't forget to vote on friday night gaming, suggest times to play here or dm them.

Here's a dead thread the deep fucking triggers on the Rift S - when the red teleporter line appears is the same point at which guns shoot at.
https://streamable.com/bafdr
also where did the rift s controller models go?

Final reminder, tomorrow 10pm UTC

>>261865562
Why is it called women world tour?

>>261865562
A truly euro dance concert, this is going to be sexy!

>>261845375
>better than multi-million dollar corps like SecondLife/Sansar
Isn't VRChat a multi-million dollar company with the investment they've had? The only difference is that they have no actual revenue stream.

>>261865669
It's the real name of the Justice live tour that will be reenacted tomorrow, the tour of the album woman world wide

>>261865562
6PM EST/3PM PST on a Friday
This is a euro only concert isn't it?

>>261866183
So?

>>261866063
I dont know what any of that means? A DJ? A Band? A club?

Beatsaber lobby in two hours. We are adding "mapping extensions" so make sure to have that checked in mod assistant.

We will be using the latest game version 1.1.0p1 or whatever it updates too. You will need to use mod assistant to install custom avatars along with mapping extensions. Finally download the multiplayer mod below and install manually. You'll just need to merge the folders over into whatever directory beatsaber is installed to then run IPA.exe.
https://github.com/andruzzzhka/BeatSaberMultiplayer/releases
https://bs.assistant.moe/Multiplayer/#Install

Lobby will go until we get worn out. Passing host is seamless now so it'll rotate every half a dozen songs or upon request.
Difficulty select will be on by default so play to your comfort level. If you want voice I'll be using the vrgcraft mumble at (voice.vrgcraft.space) as a replacement for the low quality in game mic.

Bring new songs if you have them.

>>261866310
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy1dYFGkPUE

Someone have the streamable of the Daft Punk concert by these guys?

>>261867197

>>261868497
FASTER

>>261847273
I can't wait to ride animals in vr and dab on poorfags

https://streamable.com/egeen

https://streamable.com/dupwz

>>261870021
jesus fucking christ
what the fuck is his problem
why is dave such a fucking autistic retard
his game has so many fucking problems and he's wasting time adding this juvenile shit

>>261871212
He doesn't know how to fix the problems and doesn't even believe some of them exist.

>>261871518
:davethink:

>>261871518
>>261871854
Has anyone ever submitted formal bug reports to him?

>>261871931
yes, you get rewarded with :davethink:

>>261871931
half of his code is spaghetti
the other half is unreal store asset spaghetti
he doesn't understand his own community server implementation to the point he can't add pin numbers to it

>>261872316
>I can't provide the additional functionality you're asking for in this module.
>Why not, programmer-san?
>I don't know how I did it.

>>261871931
Yes. Several of us have and been completely ignored or given a :thinking: emoji.

maybe if you were nicer to dave he'd listen to you

>>261872316
It's worse. He actually thought he had a functional pin system in the game and disbelieved everyone who reported it wasn't working, initially.

>>261872625
He actually banned someone who found an exploit.

>>261870021
Cool so he bought this
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/slug/klian-s-gore-system-plugin
and is plugging it in to his spaghetti to make it look like he's actually developing the game.
Based.

>>261873094
let's just make our own pavlov

>>261872625
>people coming in with no idea the history of pavlov
yea no
his gun damage system is mathematically retarded
his gun purchasing systems are functionally retarded
his gun balancing is mentally retarded
people have tried to talk to him nicely and then he gets angry when you get closer to the truth of him having no idea what he's doing

>>261848290
virt-a-mate?

>>261846381
Is this not it?
>>261759324 (Cross-thread)

>>261849113
I saw someone with a lot of glowing tatoos

>>261849113
The one time I audibly "what the fuck"'d was when I saw a dark skinned kemono girl, skin and bones, tattoos all over, text all over, trashy ghetto getup, small high-res pics of what I can only assume people it has lewded with, and a body language so uncanny it made me feel ill.

Pregnant avatars. The reason I find them repulsive compared to their IRL counterparts, is that there's no actual life inside those things to make me feel emphatic.
This in turn just makes them look horrendous and "not right."
Add to that the way they have the models dress sexually instead of being modest makes me hate instead of just borderline indifferent.

>>261849113

I saw two people holding hands

>>261867197
>>261868497
Beatsaber lobby is go look for VRG
Pass is WIDEPRIDE

>>261877104
Seems like vrchat really is turning into second life.

>>261849113
Anyone who says tda or kemono or any other anime girl hasn't seen at least one commissioned dragon fur avatar in vrchat. There's no bigger yikes than the commissioned furry avatars.

>>261877661
desu the average furry commission avatar is higher quality than 95% of tda glowniggers

>>261877764
but it's still fucking disgustingly yikes
it's pure unadulterated fetish on display

>>261877551
where is the saber tailor config file? i can't find

yikes cringe lmao
I fucking hate you people.

>>261877912
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>261875758
No. It even says in that link that it was updated. Either way, it would have to be uploaded before Dec 6th. The reason so many torrent sites uploaded PDTA VR after this date is because this was when it was no longer an Oculus exclusive and also added to Steam. I don't think anyone uploaded the original Oculus exclusive version. Unless there's a some omnitorrent of an entire Oculus store rip around the CV1's launch.

LOL?

>>261879978
simply based... :)

What are some good horror games I should play in VR? Anything on the horizon I should keep an eye out for?

>>261880785

Go visit the backrooms world

>>261870021
New models look like shit.

Anyone have a link to the latest Virtamate build

>>261880785
Some VRchat horror worlds are real good. You should explore some. Just type horror on search bar usually they pop out. Many are not so good though so you have to wade thrugh trash or requests suggestion from people that already did.

>>261880959
I think backrooms is an interesting aesthetic that reddit/discord forced too fucking hard into being supernatural and scary. It's not even remotely horror.

>>261849113

People are making vore emotes now. Just sayin'

Hey boys I can either get a Samsung odyssey plus for $200 or a Oculus rift for $200 which one should I get, and how easy is it to pirate vr games?

>>261881285
Armored Combat Operations

>>261882007
If you just plan on playing seated sims, the odyssey has a better screen, but otherwise get the rift. Assuming it's in good condition, the controller tracking for actual VR games will be a lot better.

Pirating is as easy as other pc games, slightly harder because of availability, but there's no special VR drm or anything.

>>261845375
>Ron Millar designed warcraft, starcraft, B&W2
No, he didn't.

>Graham Gaylor t-too guys
lmoa

>Jesse Joudrey worked at Capcpom... 10 years ago.
A company that literally mispels it's own name. (Look it up, I'm not even joking.)

>90% of the content is made by high-schoolers
No, 90% of the content that people actually experience regularly in VRChat is made by dedicated artists who know what they're doing as well as any "professional" artist that gets paid. Don't confuse TDA thots for "90% of all the content" when you have world builders making all the mainstream worlds who could just as easily be putting those skills to work for any AAA company successfully if the industry wasn't so 1) high risk and 2) corrupted by rampant nepotism.

>Even comparing VRChat to SL
Except that Linden Labs is a successful enterprise company with a product over a decade old that still has a consistent playerbase with a daily average of above 40k users, and a dedicated marketplace for content creators to compete for real world sales that help them build professional portfolios in the process. Whereas VR itself is a niche product and VRChat even more niche, with barely above 6k users on average, and only 28k even at it's peak, and absolutely no content-creation friendly software or support beyond a few poorly written pages of documentation and a boilerplate dev stream summarized as "no changes yet guys, please be patient" once every six months.

>VRChat has less bugs and less system requirements
This is where your post either becomes bait, in which case, 5/10 you got me, or you're being serious, in which case, literally anyone who has played SL knows you sound like an idiot, and brother I'm not even defending SL, I would rather play VRChat any day of the week, but get your facts straight at least if you want to present a convincing argument.

Lavender will demolish VRChat when it comes out anyway.
>inb4 "if it ever comes out"

>>261882253
>Lavender will demolish VRChat when it comes out anyway.
You don't... actually believe that do you anon?

>>261859120
Yes. Talking with other custom server admins, the segfaults happen to everyone else too. Maps still rotate properly, you just have to rejoin the lobby after every map change until dave fixes it :thonkin:

>>261882056
4chan is riddled with worms. You're risking a lot if you actually visit that side of the site. Hiro is a fucking cunt.

>tfw you upload a new avatar, knowing she's a virgin
>tfw you know she won't be a virgin within 15 minutes of you logging in each night
>get addicted to the feeling of losing your virginity
>uploading six avatars a week

Now only if I could lose my virginity irl.

>>261882356
I'll be honest, probably not. But I'm responding to bait so I decided to add a little something to my response reward him for his effort.

>>261882810
This only counts if you created a particle system in unity that uses the blood drip shader available in the /vrg/ assets document and attached it to your pussy.

>>261883042
Way ahead of you. Been using it for weeks.

>>261883191

>261845375
Fuck off and stop reposting copypasted Reddit garbage.

>>261883962

You fuck off newfag. Can’t even quote right.

@261884362
he didn't want to give him a (you)

>261884362
Oh the irony

>261884362
This must be your first day here, redditfag.

>>261880785
You could try to find an Unreal PT download.

>>261877912
The config is in the modprefs.ini file in the UserData folder. I have no idea what to set it to though.

>>261880785
fnaf
dreadhalls

I just checked to see if there was a NMS general on this board, to see if there's any recommended mods that most people use, but as it turns out, there's no general.

>>261883962
You're wrong if you think you're convincing anyone or changing minds with the cringy way you post.

>>261886196
Of course not. It's a fucking meme game only normalfags rave about. It's not a bad game though, if it appeals to you.

>>261886196
Well, still got a couple days before the update so it's still in the air if the current mods will even survive the change, but for me personally I like to mod in stuff to remove a lot of tedium.
Quicker mining so no more staring at rocks for 20 seconds each time, bigger stack size so collecting things isn't ass, and removing the god awful paranoid little sentinels that spawn out of the fucking ether next to you every 2 minutes.

There are also a host of mods that add in new things that can spawn in, but those range from good to jarring as fuck like X-wings flying in.

>>261886569
I bought it for vr yesterday, and after fiddling around with the first few planets, I can say that I fucking hate those survey drones with every fiber of my being. I won't even hit them, and they'll suddenly start firing on me for mining something. I guess I'll wait to see what mods survive the update, and which one everyone here's going to be using, before I do any sort of modding.
>>261886481
What does "meme game" even mean, in this context? You can't just add the word "meme" to everything, and expect it to have any sort of meaning. That aside, I get that it had a shitty start, but it, at the very least, looks interesting enough for VR. I like base building, and I enjoyed rust before it was destroyed by hackers and the creator's unwillingness to actually develop a videogame.

I just want to kill the demons

>>261886369
>cringy
2. You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

>>261886795
Meme as in the game itself is a meme by normalfags that makes it seem more great than it really is. If anything, the shit launch and good updates have done more to market the game than the actual pre-release hype.

Some day I want to make a music video to Nightwish: Ghost Love Score with this avatar.

Do you think it's worth the effort?

>>261887496
if you get vr, then yeah

Accidental Beat Saber lobby screenshot when I paused the game.

>>261887589

I have VR, just not full body.

>>261887496
can you fuck right off, avatarfagging pedestal desktopper
use a trip so i can filter you

>>261870021
>>261871212
I actually think all this gore really detracts from the experience. Previous Pavlov also felt like innocent fun, a simple shooty-game to play with friends.
Now you still have everyone looking silly in VR but with the gore it also becomes edgy, and edginess doesn't mix well with silliness if the silliness is unintended - then, it just looks like a tryhard edgelord game that takes itself too seriously. You'll then only have to add support for e-sports MLG xX_noscope_Xx and suddenly it combines all the things I dislike about modern shooters.

>>261887496
Get VR please.

>>261849113
>>mfw I discovered (by accident) my favorite kawaii loli avatar I saved from a public avatar world has a thong under her skirt
Requesting more information purposes of scientific inquiry.

>>completely 100% naked slime-girl lolis
Aren't all slime-girls naked?

>>261887990
we had 8 people today
join the lobbies, its fun i promise

>>261887997
why do you have nothing but images of you in desktopper mode?

>>261881982
Back up your claims.

>>261888649

>>261877551
>left saber keeps phasing through notes
o wel

>>261885574
thank you fren

>>261888073
The gore will also make Pavlov harder to market.

Beat Saber has custom avatars, if you didn't know.

>>261889038
Why is her hat censored?

>>261889151
You can't be this retarded

>>261889558
I think it's a joke.

my arms are now noodles

>>261889879
Knowing this thread, I don't think it is desu

Play beatsaber with /vrg/ even if you're new you'll get good real quick.
Same time next week bring your favorite meme song.

>>261889038
You can use any of the models on modelsaber in multiplayer lobbies.
https://modelsaber.com/Avatars/
It isn't all that bad to add your own either if you already know how to upload one to VRchat you're most of the way there.
https://bs.assistant.moe/Avatars/
I'm not sure if you need to upload the avatar to modelsaber in order to use it in multiplayer lobbies I'll play around this weekend and see.

>>261890537
>you'll get good real quick.
>have played daily for 9 months and I'm still usually last
Y-yeah...

>>261891097
You're playing with top ranked players I wouldn't stress out about it. Getting good comes from having fun and pushing a little bit beyond what you think you can do. I enjoy the multiplayer experience as there's nothing quite like catching a higher ranked player on a map they're bad at and dabbing on them a bit. Usually seems like players are all over the scoreboard especially in the later lobby so there's always that chance to pass the person ahead of you.

If you've been playing daily though I've always found that with rhythm games it tends to help to take some time off and come back to it. Don't know why it works but you tend to be better after getting back up to speed after the break. Just as long as it's not too long otherwise you'll get rusty.

>>261892267
I did take a few weeks off, I just progress extremely slowly. Can't do it for weeks, practice mode doesn't help at all, then suddenly I can do a new song first time.

>tfw play games and immediately become top rank without much effort most of the time
Honestly, sometimes it's not really not that fun. I guess it's preferable to sucking forever. But it gets stale when you go to the top so quickly. You just get bored. That's the problem with competitive games. So you do stuff like cripple yourself in various ways to make the game challenging again. In the end it's all relative and what matters is the experience. Just stop looking at scores and leader boards.

>>261890308
Do the same thing again tommorow
gotta build up that endurance
After a while, the only reason you break a sweat is because of the ambient temperature and your arms only get sore from unique songs

god i miss VRG...

>>261893235
Beat Saber's top tiers are absolutely ridiculous, and it gets exponentially harder the closer you are to the top. You're not getting bored anytime soon unless you're top 100 and also not creative enough to go for stuff the ranking board is shying away from, 12+ star maps and the like

>>261893835
why'd they leave bros

Someone asked me if we could play Final Assault, someone else asked me about Pavlov, another couple were going to play Township Tale. I guess just send me an invite to play or come up to me in game whenever you're ready, any of you. I'm not doing anything important for the next 48 hours or so.

>>261892267
>dabbing on them a bit
no stop we played yesterday thats not fair

If VRChat lot memes and people saying racial slurs it would just be second life at this point.

>>261893782
Never worked for me. Have to wipe off the sweat with a towel between songs.

>>261894110
Racial slurs are the least of your concerns if you're going to criticize the morality of a community/society.
I'd focus on the lack of responsibility and the ensuing hedonism if I'm to pass judgement.

>>261894084
OH MAN MY FRIEND ASKED ME TO PLAY SOMETHING TOO, THEN ANOTHER FRIEND ASKED ME TO PLAY SOMETHING ELSE, AND NOW ALL MY OTHER FRIENDS ARE WANTING ME TO PLAY THIS GAME TOO! WHAT SHALL I EVER DO WITH HAVING THIS MANY FRIENDS? GUESS I WILL JUST VAGUEPOST ABOUT IT IN THE THREAD INSTEAD OF TAKING UP ANY OF THEIR OFFERS
faggot

>>261894660
It's VRChat. If you are on it, you failed in real life somewhere. At least we all have each other.

In addition to MappingExtensions, consider getting the chroma lighting mod to see the rgb lighting events some beatmaps have:
https://streamable.com/xpzp6

The process of getting chroma is pretty scuffed right now, tldr: you have to join the chroma discord and get the mod from there
https://github.com/BinaryElement/Chroma/wiki/Closed-Beta

>>261895452
>>261895592
Bad shadows

>>261893932
I was just talking generally.
But as for Beat Saber, I played it for a while and the gameplay just doesn't really appeal to me, doesn't matter what map, song, or difficulty it was. Haven't picked up the game since, and it's been a year. Maybe it's better now with more innovative maps, but I've stopped being motivated to play the game at this point. Can you blame me? I suppose that's the problem with picking up certain games early on.

>>261887496
lol i think i saw you like an hour ago in the loft where it's raining. do you have fbt? that person did. that is a nice avatar btw

>>261881632
I took it as a satirical creepy pasta.
The ery surrealist aesthetic is cool though

Giant underground city adventures

I was not prepared...

>>261895825
Arktoon. Haven't toyed with it much, I usually make my own stuff now and use standard lite. these two came with vocaloid software so I tossed them in.

>>261888649
>we had 8 people today
>9 people in pic related
ok retard

>>261888649
me on the far left

>>261845375
Oh hey, its something I posted today, why am i not surprised its here.
Check the thread on plebbit, Ron himself responded with a nifty, long history blowing the fuck out of the autistic rageposter with some nifty blizzard history.
I would post it here myself but I'm in bed phoneposting.
>>261845696
Nope sorry, here to stay. Been here for years, not going anywhere.
>>261846083
It's "lun" like "hun"
>>261846126
I don't work for them but I've met every dev and I'm one of its oldest users.
Love it or hate it it's still better than most other vr apps at the moment for many reasons.

>>261846126
Owlboy doesn't work for vrchat

>>261883042
>>261882810

>>261888649
me on the far right

>>261898735
Everybody doing good work for vrchat doesn't actually "work for" vrchat. Rather ironic.

>>261846640
Believe what you want, we're talking about vr headsets and controllers and reverse ik, and transmitting that data in realtime for custom avatars that are unknown for feature sets and mesh transforms to the entire room.
It's a fucking truckload of data.
Why do you think your CPU uses to suffer with locally calculated ik generated from vr with rooms of 50+ users? If your PC has trouble doing it and mobile cant do it at all, imagine how much broadcast data is going on?
They ddosed themselves the first time they tried to implement it.
I work on a saas platform. I get it.

>>261846981
>>261847115
He did, read the reply he put in that thread.

>>261898910
Sorry anon, but everyone who has pressed the "Fix Model" button in Cat's blender tool is a game development expert. so you're wrong and they're right

>>261898570
By met, I mean in game.
And by every, I guess I mean the early ones.
I'm tired anons, nite.

>>26189915
Lel!
Story of my life.
Everyone thinks they know shit until you prove they don't know shit.

>>261852152

>tfw proteus effect from Pavlov curbstomp, so even in real life I avoid buying stuff because I think Im piss poor with bad eco.

Pretty high profile to be lying about his involvement, pubically, don'tcha think?
Big think guys.

Plus they're legit talking to carmack in a bit.they really don't get enough credit.

Camack please save us

>>261899846
>>261900038
What's Ron's real name? I happen to have a copy of the original manual because I'm a boomer. I'll see if he's in it.

>>261900038
>Plus they're legit talking to carmack in a bit.
proofs?

>>261900487
carmack's twitter

>>261870021
looks like shit.

>>261850367
I disagree with entirely.
The vocal tracks felt like a disney princess movie talking about hopes and motivations and I just couldn't handle it.
The instrumental tracks were significantly more enjoyable.

>>261888073
I feel the same, it's stupid, headshots were already extra bloody and CHONKY with the sfx, shit like that will just turn it into another incel simulator.

>>261873094
Fuck it. I'm making my own game in UE4. Can't be this hard if he's doing it.

>>261901265
Based. I'm going to make one in unity using the fps multiplayer example they made!
Good luck anon!

>>261881632
>So you end up in those backrooms right?
>ye
>And they're like infinite and shit
>that's pretty spoo-
>AND A MONSTER CHASES YOU RIGHT AWAY
meh. I think the horror of such scenario would be being stuck in it forever until you starve.

So I want to give my friend my current vr headst when I've gotten a new one (rift), but the only one I'd consider getting for the time being is the rift s, is that even a good tradeoff, though? Did they fix the hands fucking up if they're too close to your face?

>>261901419
You might like scp-057. No monsters.

>>261886196
I don't understand the purpose of /vg/ if it doesn't support slower threads. You are basically shit out of luck and HAVE to form some sort of botnet if you can't sustain the thread.

>>261901265
BAM was literally better than Pavlov but there's no point making a better game if it doesn't get shilled by pewdiepie or whatever "influencer" matters now

You can't work for free, high sales lets your game survive long enough to get better but sales success has nothing to do with being better. Making a good game is a luxury for later.

>>261896367
he doesn't have vr

>>261886196
WE will be the general.
Pretty sure this thread is the closest thing redout has ever had to a general or even a thread on /v/.

>>261894084
I kindly ask you to kys.

>>261849113

you don't wanna know

>>261899867
just buy a revolver and whatever armor you can afford and camp waiting for someone with a better gun, or follow a teammate that does.

This map had some weird shadows unfortuntely

>>261901723
Hmm, I hope the anons in discord don't mind coordinating with thread-only people, or newfags to come up with a mod list, then.

>>261901653
BAM devs abandoned it, right? It's a shame its lost, don't remember if it had workshop support but I'd gladly trade Contractors/Onward for it to be competition to Pavlov.

>>261902070
There's several worthwhile mods currently but it's a bit pointless to get accustomed to them right now. It's absolutely not recommended to go into the update with them, i'd wait a bit after Beyond drops as it'll probably render half of them useless anyhow. If you're wanting to play now i'd get used to the mechanics and a foothold on vanilla before the update drops.

>>261901519
I mean, I don't have anything against monsters. I'm pretty unnerved at the idea of monsters being able to tear out souls like Tuunbaq in The Terror. I just think there's some scenarios that work better without them.

>>261902721
loli on toddler
that's ultra illegal

>>261902298
I was trying it a bit today, yeah. It seems simplistic enough, but i know shit gets a little more crazy later on

>>261902771
>>261902721
All we need is MY DICK there and it'll be 10/10

>>261902721
>sweating intensifies

>>261902590
The real monster enters the room at the same time you do

Daily reminder weebs are useless and will never produce a game they want to play.

>>261903072
You mean I'm the monster?

>>261903169

>>261901265
This is for thirsty coochie games but same things apply. Drink water and have healthy meals anon!

>>261903086
>Implying
I'm making steps to making the dungeon game I always wanted!

>>261903204
have sex.

>>261902330

Nice job with the shaders

Is Valve index good yet or still only for tech enthusiasts

>>261903204
>/hgg/
Ignore this faggot gamer nodev

>>261901265
>>261903256
>>>/vg/agdg
Come home fellow YesDevs!
Progress awaits you!

>>261900467
Ron Millar, here's a video of him from the 90s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms9ZgZsmGWc

Pretty incredible map

>>261904628
why is your dick out?

>>261904537
He's here. Listed as senior designer, too. Warcraft 2 is one of my favorite games, my opinion of Ron is much higher after today.

idol going for a swim in the fountain

>>261904769
I want to commit a crime with scoops

>>261903204
>when you favorite artist/author transitions and stops drawing because "depression"

it keep happening

>>261904537
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ex-blizzard-developers-join-lionhead/1100-6100782/

Found these two alone in the castle courtyard...

i can't believe j is dead... it's not fair bros

>G-Guys stop criticizing us! I d-designed Warcraft, love me nostalgiatards, please!
Dumbass, vrchat is full of Zoomers that didn't ever play WoW. This is hillarious damage control trying to bolster his image when all his CV and design work doesn't chnage the fact Udon STILL isn't out, the game is dyng and there's NOTHING worth doing in vrchat.
Fuck this grey alien, invisible, perving nigger. Designing warcraft doesn't mean you can fap to my private room.

don't talk to me or my son again

>>261904816
>with scoops
pretty sure he already has a partner in crime, here he is looking criminal

hot tub

Comfy meetup with good energy!

>>261904769
I wanna cum in that idol

>>261905480
None of his involvement in those games looks a tiny bit impressive.
>Manual designer
Oh great. Can't wait for the hard cover version of VRChat, gonna be just like the old times with a manual in my hand.

>>261905480
go to bed flatchest

>>261904628
What map!? Is there gameplay?

>>261904128
Controllers aside, it's definitely a higher gen than Vive, and I guess Vive Pro. 120Hz looks great and it's the only headset with more than 90, right?
That being said, I don't think Valve's idea of VR is games, headphones are very easy to move aside, at least I often found one at ~30* angle playing Pavlov yesterday, and I didn't go full retard. I was more stationary than usually, because I had to go back to snap-turning (it's kind of lame, if you guys haven't tried wireless yet, you're missing out).
I'd say you're more likely to be happy with your purchase with Rift-S if its your first headset.

What are your top 3 VR games?

>>261909062
1) VRchat
2) RecRoom/MinecraftVR
3) Robo Recall

Maybe No Man's sky in a bit

I can't wait until this next update and it turns out Dave is a retard yet again and extra gore appears only on ragdolls or something.
By the way, it's a waste of time and resources to have that shit in. Turns it from a clean, fun experience to some school shooter teen edgelord power fantasy.
I think we should report Dave for his awful timing of putting extra gore after all the shootouts and violent video games ban.

>>261909468
I wish he would stop updating the game and just call it done.

>>261909524
PAVLOV 2 WHEN!?

>>261909524
Agreed. It will never improve so might just call it a day and pray something better will come one day.

Fast asleep

>>261901514
They fixed all the tracking issues, but rift to rift S isn't really a big improvement, it's not the next gen. Get it if money isn't an issue, but if money isn't an issue why not move up to an Index?

Just had a thought, Vrchat is just second life for zoomers.

Just had a thought, Vrchat is just second life

>>261912481
Holy shit, what a revolutionary thought. You're not only the first person IN this thread, but the first person on the entire internet to have said this. Thank you for opening our eyes, anon.

>>261912686
/thread

https://youtu.be/CBwShbtDEqY

THIS GAME IS FREE

Orbus is $50

>>261913215
I might give this a go, thanks Anon.
Orbus looks like shit before even getting to the price.

Just had a thought.

>>261913518
It's insane how much interactivity seems to be in the game. The crafting in particular is quite well done. Also >ARM IK
YESSSSS

Goodnight /vrg/

>>261913749
I have ignored it until now, but this video looks like it's one of those projects that "get VR" so fuck the noses, I'm going in.

Counter-Strike doesn't have any of those troublesome for VR mechanics like L4D/TF2 does, the only """""problem"""" is smooth locomotion which could easily be an option, even Dave found an answer to this. Valve could really show a lot of good faith to VR if they ported Counter-Strike and Day of Defeat to VR.
What are the odds they're too fucking lazy to do it themselves and wait for Stress Level Zero to finish making a VRSDK they could call theirs?

They don't make them like they used to.

https://youtu.be/B9Z0q9VECKs
This shit is bsaically the same kind of cancer 'Never Have I Ever' in VRChat is. I'm disgusted beyond words, I don't even want to imagine those servers with how squeakers gravitate towards this fucking gamemode
/vrg/ jailbreak when
forced sexual intercourse at gunpoint is my fetish.

Just got my first VR headset last night and as I suspected from my lack of any sort of motion sickness in IRL scenarios, I appear to be more or less immune to VR sickness. Any good games to really test this theory? only tried a few things with analog stick locomotion and smooth turning yesterday.

>>261914803
>/vrlg/ jailbreak server
>loli warden in lingerie stepping on your dick
>licks barrel of gun excessively almost fellating it
>makes you know what a pervert you are from getting hard over it~

>>261915008
It depends on the person. A common problem are games with stick motion or games that involve fast paced reactions in a moving environment.
I would have said Pavlov but the developer just fucked up enough he doesn’t get recommended.

>>261915008
Assetto Corsa without locking the camera to horizon.
Overload
Any Jet Simulator when you lose control and start spinning.

>>261915008
Sairento has those backflip movements that can throw you off. Generally if you can take Pavlov, you can take anything reasonable. Maybe it will change with Boneworks, seeing it's not afraid to move your avatar most devs are.

>>261915008
I've yet to meet a man who could take Voxel Tank VR

Hi, is it possible to add cracked games to oculus quest?

>>261914803
>/vrg/ jailbreak when

>>261916264
I would make it my quest to game that crack if you catch my drift.

Whichever of you put me in D Rank, you'll regret it.

>>261916276
>Guantanamo
>Frühstück

>>261916521
The rank list is wrong anon. Dont't fret it.

>>261917997
>tfw it placed me accurately

>>261913215
Finished the tutorial. Had some kid yelling at top of his lungs for all the time, lumberjacking was some tedious shit and either performance is shit or you need a NASA pc to run it (are there any ways to tweak graphics settings? It's Unity, right?)
But I liked it so far. Cyube feels more responsive, but it has potential and I look forward to playing later tonight.

>>261917997
T..the rank list?

>>261919489
The VRC romance route difficulty guide. Basically, how hard it is to get in their pants.

>>261919489

>>261919736
I'm in boys!

>>261919936
I'm not!

>>261919736
Pretty accurate except for a few names. Also: I'M IN!

>>261920096
play more puffluv and soon you'll be in too!!
>>261920617
we did it bro, finally we were noticed amidst all the chaos and death.

>>261921132
i dun wannu play povluvian though..
it too hard for me

I can't hit shit with deagle, but I generally think Dave is a retard and he only got AKM and Revolver right with accessories.
Deagle shouldn't have sights either with its 1HKO possibility and decent range. It's already plenty good with best handgun iron sights unlike the revolver. Or I dunno, just the ACOG.
The issue is probably he was too lazy to model a pistol red dot sight, I think guns like 1911/Glock/Five-Seven deserve them more. I also think T's should start with Glocks, CT should start with USP - Same everything as 1911 - but more bullits. 12-15. 1911 should be removed altogether or be given literally no recoil whatsover so it would be a decent akimbo and riot shield gun.

>>261921391
ye well its a pablibido list so you know

>>261921391
PLAY POOBLOOP

>>261921881
carkidd is the cutest bully

>>261921861
I want plet Pobulubo

>>261921881

>>261921391 ploy ploopove

>>261921861
>>261922085
I will just be some cannon fodder in pandloop! I donw't wannu!

>>261921792
exclusive poodaloo list, wow!

>>261921391
polay publove love love! houset now

>>261922132
play ploop loop

This cute little kitty got hold of the keyboard and started playing it.
Oh no kitty what have you written!

>>261919736
watch outt pablo
i'm coomin

>>261922146
>>261922171
Noooo, not the pondlake..!

>>261919736
konner should be A or S tier desu only thing i can see missing

what the fuck is going on

>>261922335
Mixon and Rokkat should also be rated higher.

>>261922236
Shitposting in VR?!

What's the current shader meta?

>>261922279
play paplap
>>261922335
H often has a 2:1 KDR so I don't know why he's in D

>>261919736
I wun Ple PingoBinko pls

I miss her bros...

>>261922279
PICKLE PEE NOW NOW NOW HOOOOOOEST

>>261922335
>>261922438
>>261922572
i think some of those ratings are euro weighted against old NA prime sweaty weighted ratings
whoever made it was clearly around for the big sweaty era

bablob

>>261916276
Jailbreak in vrchat is totally possible from what I know of the game/genre. Has nobody bothered to make a jailbreak game world? In terms of vr world development, PvP combat is easy,
respawns can be changed per client, you can even force players into stations (chairs) with no exit controls and animation overrides if they respawn without permission (ot for other reasons) Only thing you can't do is stop someone leaving the world entirety. Why hasn't anyone done it yet?

Lhun whole point was that it's not like literally brainless are working on vrchat. If other games didnt have barriers to entry or straight up didnt work they would be popular.
Vrchat is popular because it's easy to use and the SDK design is smart.
Plus it almost always works. They're friendly to weebs and Japan. Theyte not sjw retards. I think he has a point.

>>261922798
i wan piplub

>>261922572
I think you mean 1:2 k/d anon.

>>261922697
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>261922285

HOS POBBERLOBBER

>>261922697
Stop posting these

papabloboep

HOS PALAPANEO OR I KMS

Join up we got a Pubhop lobby up

>>261919736
>>261921132
>>261921391
>>261921861
>>261921978
>>261922085
>>261922132
>>261922146
>>261922171
>>261922261
>>261922279
>>261922285
>>261922573
>>261922697
>>261922798
>>261922842
>>261922867
>>261922913
>>261922993
>>261923042
>>261923053

>>261923053
pomeranian uP?

>>261922438
To be honest of all the people placed above me (which I played with) I dont think I could take on any of them on a duel map and actually win. I have better days or can get an ocasionally good streak when I play dirty, but in terms of raw skill I probably average C, so I dunno about that. I also like to stir shit up with nades or flanking too much for my own and my team's good.

>>261923176
palm lobber 1337

>>261922831
>Lhun whole point was that it's not like literally brainless are working on vrchat.
Except they are, they still don't have Udon done and every update breaks things. Months to fix an audio bug, months to fix IK, months to do networked IK because the can't in2 new unity versions, months to add more restrictive security no-one wanted and an actually dogshit tier SDK that no, doesn't "just werk".
The most half-assed implementation of the knuckles, no ability to get more gesture or emote slots, LIMITED FUCKING FAVOURITES WHY, WHY IT'S JUST A TINY BIT OF DATA WHY IS THERE LIMITS.

The VRC devs are not and dever will be competent.
>They're friendly to weebs and japan
VRPill_one_more_loli_away_from_banning_all_weebs.jpg
They don't like weebs or Japan, the core devs do NOT. That's a plain fucking lie. They're SJW by merit of being based in, as far as I know, fucking commiefornia.

Go the fuck away bootlicker.

someone take me to the pavbar already

>>261846640
>I've used EVERY virtual world available, in VR, for over 6 years.

can confirm: he has accounts in literally everything and has been posting video and other shit about vr for at least 5 years from what I can see with a quick search
seems to be one of the few anons who goes exploring besides hi p and h.

I only ever see him buzzed or too drunk on the weekends though?

>>261923270
rebbit no! palmer lucky bost lobby only

>>261849113
the one that's most dirty to me is one I made for my rl nymphomaniac of a second girlfriend. It's not obviously lewd but if you know her, it is. "Dirty" is subjective.

>>261923292
why jabaz naked?

>>261923053
i search for buble popper no find?

>>261923480

>>261923228
And I'm starting to find all the webms of me acting like a retard rather encouraging to continue to do so

>>261923480
pound bomb offline

>>261923475
he took the no helmet meme to the next level

poopie love hours

>>261923609
nooooooooooooooooo

p

>>261923556
I love game! hos mor lubbie pls

>>261923705
no puppy butt no more

>Index audio doesn't appear an option until I scan for problems in the windows audio thingie
wat do.

>>261923292
I want to wallbang JK

>>261923228
You always plays the objective and tend to lead your team to victory~

>>261923853
Keep the breakout cable disconnected until in use and manually open 'sound' every time. It's annoying.

>>261919736
Who posted this?

>>261923853
pill popper hard for hear

>>261923853
Just call steam support ;)

He got one month'd for being black.

>>261924528
Why does Tupper hate black people so much?

>>261923270
>Except they are, they still don't have Udon done and every update breaks things

Every update breaks some minor things in ---user generated content---. The game itself is fine. Did the game itself stop working? No. Look at how infrequently the server account posts about outages? Almost never. Making Udon more functional than the already pretty functional unity animation system and triggers that they already have is going to take a really, really long time. Don't forget they scrapped the first scripting engine and decided to do it over. Plus moving to new unity IS a nightmare for a game originally built PRE unity 5.6. Vrchat is almost SIX YEARS OLD.

The performance HAS improved. Vrchat uses like 14% of my cpu and 56% of my gpu in a crowded room now on a busy map, and that's at 200%SS. That'll only get better with 2018.

This is the distinction that makes me respect them. Unity, the company, had to work with them directly as I understand to move from 5.6 to 2017.4 because updating that many assets was basically impossible before they tried. This is speculation, but they probably helped Unity improve their platform migration tools a lot, since the user generated content in vrchat is so varied, so broken, and so wild that it covers basically every situation besides scripts, which are ironically sometimes easier to fix than making backwards compatible mesh formats with work with 6yo software.
Plus it's the only place FBT and finger tracking works well besides High Fidelity and it has visemes - did you know HF and rec room and bigscreen just randomly picks a mouthshape when you talk? Come on, oculus gave us the tools for free, use them.
The only other game as technically advanced as vrchat for modern vr hardware is VirtualCast and they basically lifted everything from vrchat that was good and added their own shit. The devs there also play vrchat.

It only takes some perspective to understand that their reputation for the platform is undeserved.

>>261925502
What the fuck is this shitpost? The IK was broken for weeks, desyncing players by tens of seconds or freezing entirely. Frequently it's impossible to stay connected. Performance has never recovered from the camera update.

>>261923971
Well shit

>>261923270
>VRPill_one_more_loli_away_from_banning_all_weebs.jpg

he's embraced the memes and completely given up on that perspective from what I can see. I think the main fear is that in many places, like Canada, loli ART, even SD drawings ARE actually illegal and considered dangerous to childre, therefore making a lot of content uploaded in vrchat technically illegal in places like that.
I think once they realized that anime/manga fans and japanese players were their core audience they gave up on the fear that they would get v&.
I'm quite sure that there was a lot of internal discussion around this. If vrpill had got what he wanted at first in that knee jerk reaction to japanese culture he was likely not too keenly aware of the game would have cratered into the ground.
There was never any worry that would happen from my perspective.

>They don't like weebs or Japan, the core devs do NOT.

False. The early devs were simply unaware that that's basically their entire playerbase if I had to fancy a guess. Many of the current devs posted here, found vrchat and stuck around despite the anime, or were involved with the early people who are also from HERE of all places. You think they don't read the thread?
The people who understand the actual players, and the reason why they have community managers in the first place DO understand that vrchat is basically 3d 4ch and /agdg/, a second life refugee bunker, and an art community for nerds.
Y'all are just being 4ch and cynical bitter fuggs.
If they want something more professional they can spin a second app off into a teleconferencing and remote training client or something, and I would be surprised if they haven't already.

>>261925742
speak for yourself, the game runs way better now than it did before, and I've never once had any of the issues you're talking about.
I also have had dynamicbone and particles limited for a really long time.
the latest open beta allows you to block specific COMPONENTS of avatars instead of the whole thing. You might be surprised what that changes.
Local ik calculation was a nightmare on the cpu. The performance of the IK now also depends on your connection to their servers and your ping, plus everyone else's.
It's not my fault you're bad at optimizing your pc, and steamvr made a huge number of changes that contribute to performance changes in vr generally too.
Try dumping your vrchat directory in %appdata% local and re-installing it.
Try holding shift when loading vrchat.
Try adding generic unity launch options to the game, many work.
try running it from an ssd.
Try being on an optimized map with light probes and reflection probes and no dynamic lighting, with avatars that show up as good or excellent in the profiler with no dynamicbones.
95% of the "issues" with the game are user generated content adn the fact that literally everyone is moving around in ultra high fidelity motion capture rigs, essentially.

>>261926562
Unironically fuck off shill.

>>261926643
is it so hard to believe that someone actually enjoys the game and isn't employed by them?
There's dozens of us! dozens!
I'm sure you're in there every day too

>>261926759
hi tupper can you please fix client niggers doxxing me at will. thanks

>>261926759
You are delusional if you actually think their development is good. The performance is worse than Pavlov, and that's cobbled together by an utter retard who genuinely cannot write code.

>>261925742
>Performance has never recovered from the camera update.
This is probably because there's more players now, just saying, not for any real technical reason.

>>261926924
get a better computer poorfag

>>261926943
No it isn't. You could always put 30+ in a room. It's not 'muh unoptimized players' either because Void with 30 material pubtards ran better.
>>261927038
There is not a processor in existence that can cope with VRchat's spaghetti code on the update method.

>>261926643
>fuck off shill.
If it's shilling, why are you still playing every fucking day? There are numerous clones now that have all the same features. Man up and move on to a better one already if you hate vrchat so much faggot

>>261927165
>numerous clones now that have all the same features
Like what?

>>261927162
my i5 gets 90 fps in every meetup. you're literally just poor and blame others for your problems. neck. your. self.

>>261925502
>>261926213
Put your trip back on Lupper, only someone being paid could shill this hard.

>>261927262
NeosVR for one, and even Lavender has servers and has the feature set of vrchat now.

>>261926924
Pavlov's performance is fine because the core assets are static, live on your harddisk, and are loaded by the game. Vrchat would run like rec room or pavlov too if you had no freedom of what you uploaded.
Any default compiled unity or unreal scene on a modern engine in dx12/vulkan runs great in vr.
it uses steamaudio in a separate thread and steam networking, which would not scale. You're not constantly loading in and out and downloading new assets.
The motion capture code uses animation triggers and curve based interpolation, which makes the animation look floaty and weird, instead of precise (or jumpy) like vrchat does, because it's trying to show you exactly what happened instead of some approximation.

The avatars are like 5k poly with like 30 bones.
It uses default unity prefabs and almost no custom code.
If you think there's any comparison you're out of your mind.

>>261927370
Lavender, you mean the one that isn't publicly available?

>>261926213
>False. The early devs were simply unaware that that's basically their entire playerbase if I had to fancy a guess.
True retard, the devs hate their players.

>>261927392
ask for a key from the dev and you get one. EA on steam in next week too

>>261927269
lmao cope

>>261927269
>my i5 gets 90 fps in every meetup
Of what size? 5 people?

>>261927162
You mean unity's 2017's update method?
It's trying to do a lot, and even with basic threading support and parallelization everything has to sit queued and wait for update().
I bet you don't use gpu instancing on your shaders or avatars (and neither does basically anyone else) even though it would help out everyone, a lot.
that's not vrchat's fault, it's unity.
2018, and maybe vulkan and dx12 will help with that too if they can pull it off without nuking user content, but it's not a magic bullet.
Also, if you're on Intel, your performance losses for things like VRChat after specter and meltdown patches are fucking huge to a degree you may not realize.
Most ryzen chads, even ryzen 5, have zero issues. Also if you're on amd gpu, install phys-x, it basically makes cloth physics and some particles "free", because that's how unity is built.

>>261927631
what is with this rock paper scissors shit you faggots do here now?

>>261927631
>>261927707
sometimes it drops to 45 during dance hours

>>261882356
>>261882253

>Lavender will demolish VRChat when it comes out anyway.
>You don't... actually believe that do you anon?
If you were a game dev, wouldn't you do the same?
Would you not take your chance to build your own multiplayer assetbundle loader?
Do you know how simple VRC is? You can put together a shitty VRC clone within a weekend but if you want to make a PROPERLY made game that is multi-threaded and uses all cores, you will need to research and learn way more than these retarded VRC devs have done.
Literally even with the godlike advice from Carmack, if they get any, they will not be able to absorb it and implement it into their game.
The dev of Lavender gave them a hint to implement networked IK and look at what they've done, they've fucked it up majorly.
Lhun is also delusional, if he thinks that VRC is working with Unity to convert legacy content over to the new Unity game engine, he has never upgraded projects before.
This man does not know how long it takes to have the Unity editor convert projects, it takes hours, and you will have broken shit.
VRChat is going to be what Lavender is today, years from now on, it will either stagnate as a shitty old VR game riddled with performance problems or it will have to die and start over.

>>261927269
I have an i7, you're just saying bullshits, or have every avatar features disabled while on a box world

So NMS upped their player count per instance from like 4 to 32, but it's still fairly small

>>261928234
sorry, your gen 2 i7 is trash

>>261928326
you forgot that they're adding alien milking. vr alien mounting and milking

>>261928326
No Man's Sky? That's probably enough for meet ups anyway.
>>261928368
>99% of modern high end hardware being insufficient is fine :^)

>>261928472
>gen 2 i7
>high end
maybe in 2011, retard

>>261927753
reprojection is nice eh? Works great on a 1080ti. Only time I get it is when I decide to crank my SS these days.

All these people acting like second life or high fidelity or sinespace or sansar aren't unoptimized dogshit too with their own problems. I tried Sansar when RPO came out and was blown away by the basic MOVEMENT SHIT they hadn't fixed yet.
They had the entire indoor scene with the iron giant digitized and in the game, and it looked incredible, but they had fucking smooth turning everywhere, no hand directed movement, and fucking motion blur. What the fuck.
It's funny, in a well made room full of avatars between 3-30k poly, with proper lighting, and using the shaders vrchat provides, I get 90fps. Solid. My fans don't even ramp.
pop into an "active cross platform world" sometime and see how "bad" things are with all the whitenames using default avatars.
Go ahead and get the max, like 65 of them in a room with proper audio falloff.
Check your framerate and tell me what you see.
Image related is what the polycount in overwatch looks like. At most there's 10 of those running around plus a static map.
it's a game intended to be played on modern hardware. The bones are even simpler. The animations are canned so no calculations on animations need to happen on the fly. The shaders are standardized. The physics are still fucky sometimes and it's made by a crack team of the most highly paid professionals in the industry.
Expecting hobbyist content with twice to three times the polycount to perform just as good with 6x as many networked players with almost zero canned animations on a dx11 game on a almost 3yo engine, with addons like dynamicbone, a different shader for like every user, realtime lighting calculation and always on voicechat is frankly stupid. Think about it.

The Golden Wage Cage™

*no neets allowed

>>261927745
cope is a legitimate word but it's used to insult people who are attempting to cope with obvious shortcomings in some way, such as someone defending vrchat by saying "b-but it works for me" when overwhelming prior evidence just shows it doesn't really work ever, being an example of cope
generally defending a shortcoming is the most common situation

>>261927709
VRChat has a lot of shit on every frame update and it's ridiculous.
Remember, GPU instancing did not work for a long time and even now it doesn't bring much benefit (even though it should!), because other shit is killing the CPU while you're trying to optimize.
DX12 and Vulkan currently do not work in VR through Unity (SteamVR problem), it is on their roadmap to make it functional though.

In a modern Unity 2019 game that utilizes DOTS for majority of the main game loop, if you have a Ryzen CPU, it will use it PROPERLY and distribute load EVENLY across all cores.

Parallelization of code for videogames through data-oriented design is the future, object oriented design was the cancer in programming for the longest time if you wanted to do memory optimization.

If VRChat wants to do what Lavender is building up to be, they will have to kill their game and rewrite it completely, you cannot easily convert your MonoBehavior code to ECS code, even if you're planning to do a Hybrid setup, it takes time and planning.
There's ECS code and then there's GOOD ECS code, there's also that difference they would have to take into account.

https://unity.com/dots

TL;DR VRChat is technically doomed if they stay on a legacy version of Unity and do not move ahead, they lack the performance budget to expand.
Lhun is a retard.

>>261928775
your pillow fort SUCKS

>>261928908
I want to kiss this succ

>>261928368
yeah hold up lemme just buy a 8800k and liquid cool it to run an anime girl game with 300k tris on screen in a fairly small map because the game just works and it is developed by WoW devs
the fact that lavender has more potential despite being a garage devved hackjob speaks miles about the condition of this ankle weight of a game

>>261928962
do you enjoying tasting every eu dick?

>>261929198
I plan on adding to that list right after

>>261929154
your 2600k is literally minspec for vr as a whole. you should not be expecting good frames in any game. you're a literal mong for thinking otherwise

>>261928962
o,...,o

>>261929334
not him but i feel attacked by this post

>>261928690
In flat games you can instantiate skinned meshes, player models with baked animations are inherently easier to optimize than VR players, they're predictable, there is a minimal need for IK and even then it's partial and only used for feet & legs vs VR where sometimes hundreds of bone transforms have to move around and have IK be calculated.
Just think about it for a bit.

Overwatch is also a game that uses an entity-component-system, the same shit Unity is promoting for game developers currently, but you can't use it properly unless you are on Unity 2019.2 and it's still a preview package but it enables performance thousands of times better than before.

>>261929412
sorry anon, but it's the truth!

>>261929334
>your 2600k
>not having a 2700k OCed @ 4.6GHz

>>261928149
>, he has never upgraded projects before.

Weird, stop shitposting I know for a fact he has done exactly that enough.
He brought that side project of those vrc shitters subcom, subspace up to 2018.3 from 5.6 single handedly in like 3 days, and fixed all the broken code before handing it back to them and leaving the project.
He's way more advanced than people realize which is probably why he's not around much.
Any time i'vve talked with him in vrc he had an answer to any unity or blender question I've ever had, like off the top of his head. It's fucked, he's like an encyclopedia.
he's also skirting the edge of gen-x tier old

>>261929554
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-2600K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4590/621vs2604

5% less performance than the bare minimum, that's fucking nothing when you compare something more retarded such as a FX-6300 to a i5-4590

This is like saying jelly graduated from college, but the feds forced him to take LSD, destroying his brain or whatever the fuck he used to say

>>261929767
you're proving my point. bare minimum is bare minimum for a reason. you should never expect good performance on minimum spec.

>>261929678
3 days is a really long time for doing something such as that.
What was the "vrc shitters subcom"?
What code did it need?
Regardless, if you're upgrading a scene, theoretically everything should work but it takes time for the editor to upgrade it, if you rely on anything like procedural materials, that will be broken.
That took him way too long and he should still know that you can't just "work with unity to upgrade content to a new unity version"
If he was referencing the 2 new scriptable renderers that Unity has then yeah no, for that you need to have a full content wipe because VRC is not going to spend money on servers running to upgrade content, it would cost too much and take too long.

>>261929767
that shit is barely better than my 8350 and absolutely NO vr games ran well.

>>261929334
I have an 8600k and despite that this "game" starts to fall apart if more then 6 people look at their reflections

I smell some smelly samefagging in this thread

>>261929840
>>261930119
I own a i5 4590 and a 970, everything except for VRChat works fine.

>>261930158
i have the same processor and rarely drop below 45 fps, even in populated instances.

>>261930119
vrc is single threaded
8350 is nigh unusuable

>>261930274
look at your cpu usage again, "vrc is single threaded" is a reddit meme

>>261930264
45fps in a simple scene with at most 3 dozen people running avatars they optimized usually to an autistic degree, that you can disable features on at will isn't good for vr on extremely high specced computers though
multithreading the game properly and paying the extra server usage to network ik correctly would be the only way to get the performance you'd expect

>>261929154
VRC is inherently shit for being on a legacy version of Unity, case closed.
>>261930460
VRC attempts to use threaded jobs and fails at it, there is a lot of shit that is updated every frame that kills your framerate.
The code design of it does not allow for major optimizations.

>>261930460
It never goes past 30% tho, how the fuck is reality a reddit meme
If we get modern performance off multithreaded vrchat that makes the game just that much worse, going from "wtf are you doing" to "how did you manage this" tier

>>261930460
Update method is single threaded in Unity.

>>261930460
please visit /agdg/ and ask that question, you will get a proper answer.

>>261926562
>game runs better post camera update than early 2018 and 2017
you are either a shill or pretending to be retarded

>>261923292
Does he do Tier D? Or is he a S+ only?

>>261930508
>45FPS
The SteamVR glitch literally halves your framerate.

>>261930965
anyone on /agdg/ will also call vrc users retards for having a model higher than 10k tris and 3+ materials, while expecting good frames in a vr game

>>261902118
it had workshop I think. And the first VR game to have BR mode, but it also has climbing and zombie mode that isn't a hacked the fuck together mod, has more than 12 fucking guns, incl. bownarrow, there's no fucking reason pavlov should be half as popular as it is. It's trash and so is the dev. Man I had almost forgot about BAM but now I have to remember that no one plays it while pavlov has fucking 14 pages of full lobbies on a weekday.

ugh.

>>261931160
They're right tho.

>>261931372
Yup

>>261931160
tris are literally nothing for a modern system other than load times for downloading a user's avatar you are lying or someone was baiting you

>>261931018
You have to quickly take JK by surprise from behind when he's sitting down.

>>261931160
they will call you retarded for working with vrc and limiting yourself instead of working on your own VR experience and releasing it as a standalone free game within the same editor, Unity.

Would you play pavlov if it was touhous instead of armymens

>>261931546
No that's fucking retarded. Not every game needs your sparkledog equivalent being shoved in other player's faces

>>261931435
>tris are literally nothing
completely unfounded. if this were the case major studios wouldn't bake normal maps and retopo down to lower polycounts for flat games.

>>261928807
Wow, someone who actually knows what they're talking about!
All of this is technically correct, but kill their game and re-write it? No, probably not. Rootmotion vrik and all those other tools will work just fine, or they could just use steam's skeletal system or switch to Ikinema Orion or whatever Dwango wrote for virtualcast.

The netcode they would have to rewrite for parallelism, though, you're right there, they have to make new routine loops that use System.Threading, with public class ThreadedBehaviour, and run all the parallel shit on a bunch of those with eventwaithandles. They're probably already doing this, but it's really tricky with vr and forward rendering messing things up, you don't want to make the renderer wait, there's only 11ms or less of overhead available.
PS: vr does work in unity 2017 and 2018 on dx12/vulkan (5.6 too!), I got it working myself. they technically don't need to use the steamVR library and just use the native implementation and it's fine. Works in linux proton too, which is dx11/12 running in vulkan now.
Also, you can't have SteamVR unity pluging specific addons in your oculus package to get it approved on the store so they're probably not using it anymore.
Also they can use openXR now, if they wanted, but that's a lot more work.
ironically making it work on quest probably opened the doors for everything you're talking about.

>Lhun is a retard.
k

>>261931191
the problem with bam was it was quantity over quality, having infinite content and weapons didn't mean any of it was good
when vrg played, it was just people spamming one handed aa12s that instantly killed you- there was no eco, no points system, and absolutely zero attempt at even a semblance of balance
they had the tools to make a good game, or at least one good gamemode, but just shit out more memes instead because they were incapable of refining anything into an enjoyable final product
also it was more money and people didn't want to pay for the unrefined but with potential shitheap they were selling, so the feature barren but otherwise comparably more refined pavlov for cheaper was more popular

>>261913215
It also runs like shit and has nothing to do currently. There's a reason it's only in alpha. Last 2-3 updates have been "optimizations" and the few before that took out all armor in the game so the devs could implement their fucking cosmetics store. In the alpha stage. before there's even really any gameplay beyond crafting a little and wiimote waggling at enemies that only respawn once IRL a day. Have fun with your 10 whole slots of inventory space and managing all the resources.
>>261918631
there's nothing to do besides spelunking the caves and constantly running from shitty worms. be prepared to leave behind 99% of any loot from chests that haven't already been ransacked by people who got there first because there's no inventory space to hold both exploration resources(coal/hay for light at the minimum) AND loot.

>>261931667
but armymens is literally every game ever

>>261931748
I'm sorry I hurt your feefees, Lhun, but (he) or (you) managed to trigger me with that fucking reddit post.

>>261930093
>VRC is not going to spend money on servers running to upgrade content, it would cost too much and take too long.
they already did that though, with 5.6 to 2017.

>>261931546
anime in vr shooters will significantly reduce my desire to play them, and i dread the day pavlov gets custom models before a replacement game comes out or the game gets better

>>261931705
just because you can click "fix model" in cats, that doesn't make you a game dev

>>261931748
If you managed to get VR to work with Vulkan, that's amazing, I haven't been able to get it to work, which is where I got the impression that it's broken with SteamVR, I'm still an amateur.

>>261931760
it was like $5 more than pavlov, so like $15 while the shittiest VRFPS, Onward, is priced at $30 more than it's worth, at $25.

>>261931748
>>261932115
to add to my samefag post, actually getting vulkan/dx12 to work properly is the next major step in graphics optimization, achieving zero driver overhead is a developers wet dream, unfortunately it's not something everyone is going to achieve.

>>261931435
Well, it really depends on a number of factors, mainly the platform and hardware specs you are aiming for as your lowest requirement. Also, tris aren't what bloat the loading time for a model in VRChat, it's having to download the texture maps and load them into memory because most people don't crunch compress their texture files, e.g., I had a model with 4k textures on it that took so long to load it made the whole lobby drop frames every time I loaded into the map, and after I crunch compressed all my textures in unity and reuploaded the model, it now loads in about 3 seconds flat.

>>261931894
s'all good in my hood, no feelings hurt.
It's an ad hominem to assume emotion from text my dude.
Nothing really bothers me and I just say what I want.
sometimes I'm baiting people, too.
Either way, I like talking to people who actually know what the fuck they're talking about.
I audit much more boring white collar netcode code all goddamned day so it's nice to talk about something modern.
plus I love vr generally. Like really. I don't play flatshit anymore.

In regards to why I posted that shit at all? I spend a lot of time defending vr generally because it's super immature and flawed compared to other forms of computing.

Let me level with you: I AM a really, really big fan of VRChat because of some very, very personal reasons in my real life, due to features only they bothered to implement, and it's literally the only application in existence that allows me to continue to do that important thing due to lack of an alternative.
I would be pretty lost without it.

I also want people to chill the fuck out. Software dev is hard, full stop. I wish vrchat would invite people like you to sit down and talk with them like valve did at their roundtable discussions so you can have a real conversation, if you care about the platform (or vr generally). It looks like they're trying to have more devs on so more people can ask the same kinds of questions this thread has daily.

They do have people working on things, how could they not?
Like it or not they are the most popular vr app by a wide margin with a massive everyday userbase.
Sansar and others would do anything to have that, but they can't crack the secret sauce that makes vrchat as popular and as widespread as it is.

>>261932295
you can try it right now in steamvr home in linux, just saying.
Unity compiled for vulkan with default vr settings does it automatically.
Oh, also the new serious sam VR games, and the puzzle game they made vr that I can't remember the name of right now.
Go turn vulkan on, works great.

>>261932524
it's actually more tris + bones calc.
you can see it in the unity profiler.
install rootmotion vrik and attach your avatar to it and run the profiler in run mode
add a bunch of bones to the same mesh and do it again.
then add a bunch of mesh to to the same bone count and do it again.
you'll see where the latency shows up.
The unity profiler is very enlightening to even people who don't know a lot about game engines.

VR works in Godot/Vulkan now too. I would love to see a game made in that.

>>261933467
But I didn't change the tris or bones on my model

>>261933104
>It's actually Lhun, the person no-one gives a shit about, the person who only comes here to post about himself in the third person calling himself great, the person with faggot orbiters, THE LHUN who as far from 4chan as some 40 year old single mother on facebook
Jesus christ, you really need to work on not being so obvious
>admits in this very post, he's a fan(shill) of vrc because they pandered to him with an unimportant feature, not because the game is good.
>telling us we should 'stop being such meanie weanies to the devs, software code is hard gwuise ;~~:'
>"Like it or not they're the most popular, so they must have a secret sauce!"
Fun fact, they don't have a secret sauce, they just have the benefit of "They were the first big social platform to take off, so now everyone uses it because everyone else is using it", Discord is objectively bad software too in many ways but it's has the social group clout to make migration away from it's service near impossible by the basis of being "just a little less shit than skype".


Go the FUCK AWAY NIGGER, GO BACK TO R*DDIT, PLEASE STOP FUCKING POSTING YOU ACTUAL, A C T U A L R*DDITOR.

>>261933104
There's really nothing I can consult VRC devs on, they need to take their time and work on a DOTS version of the game, that way they would actually be "working with Unity".
That does mean they need to hire someone who knows their stuff to accomplish what they wish to accomplish, developers programming in a data oriented fashion, specially using ECS are not dime a dozen, they are rare and hard to hire due to this tech being new, 99% of them are also busy learning for themselves for their own game instead of learning to get hired to audit code and help improve current software products.
The godfather of FPS can help audit VRChat but I feel like he's going to have a hard time explaining things the simplest way possible to team to understand and for them to implement, repeating myself, you can give a man all the knowledge in the world about a subject but if he lacks the wisdom (experience) to accomplish it, they will have to fail first before they can succeed.

>>261933834
carmack is just gonna tell them to add stricter avatar limits

>>261933820
This post is all sorts of incoherent autism.

>>261933275
moments before disaster

>>261934073
Sweet comeback Lhun
Stop doing damage control for braindead no-devs.

>>261933209
I still think vrchat is pretty good considering the alternatives.
Rageposting like this just makes you seem like an autistic retard to someone who's calmly arguing his position. You must be fun at parties.

>Oh shit, someone likes something I don't and would be sad or troubled if it was gone or broken, and thinks all my complaints are petty, minor and nitpicky compared to all the things it DOES do really, really well. Oh noooooo. Better denigrate and insult them and call them out publicly because their opinion isn't the current hivemind's in an attempt to keep my ego and personal opinion valid!

How dare people like and respect the work that goes into something you don't. The gall of them, amirite?. What a thing to get butthurt over, Jesus Christ.

It's almost like things get popular because there are more fans than detractors.

>>261934023
Doubt he would. The advice he's been giving any devs that approach him for optimization advice are a bit more thorough than that.

>>261931018
jaz isn't going to lewd you blue

>>261933104
My cringedar is off the scale, Batman!
What's that up ahead? No, it can't be!
Not a double space!!

>>261933834
>>261933104
t. samefag
Even industry "veterans" need to break their old habits of programming and learn how to utilize new technology because what Unity requires today is a different line of thinking when it comes to programming.
That is why your reddit post triggered me, past experience within the games industry as a designer does not directly contribute to good software engineering.
I love the world that Warcraft is in, and I love classic WoW, but please don't assume that Ron can "fix" VRC because of his prior game industry experience as a designer.

>>261934429
Let alone the fact that he's merely a visual designer, and likely knows jack shit about proper back end fundamental programming design of a game platform.

>>261933820
>they pandered to him with an unimportant feature
no, the thing I'm referring to came as a complete surprise and has greatly enhanced the life of someone I care about. I'm grateful it exists, there is no alternative that comes close, yet anyway.

>Jesus christ, you really need to work on not being so obvious

Wait, you thought I wasn't openly admitting it was me? I'm not going to go and trip-fag, because I really don't care about notoriety. If I feel like it one day and people are openly talking about me why would I hide?
Y'all are way too pussy to stand behind what you say sometimes, just because it's 4ch. I've never same-fagged or called myself out here except if someone brings me up first, and I suppose I should be honored to take up space in people's heads at all, but frankly desu I don't care. It's like you are projecting your own toxic behavior and and assuming I do it too.

>A C T U A L R*DDITOR
imagine the cope of gatekeeping a public website like 4ch because someone posts on another discussion forum that requires usernames.

I post here in several forums all the time. Like, all the time. this is the first time I've been namedropped in several months in this thread to my surprise.

everyone in this thread is a nodev who thinks they know everything about game design and optimization

>>261935114
It doesn't take a genius to look at their bug tracker, and notice that almost every major bug is from 2017 and still has yet to be fixed. Their incompetence stands out like a sore thumb and you'd have to be a very special kind of stupid to not notice.

>>261933820
>>261934073
>>261934185
oddly enough, no, I asked!. People other than the target of this spergout can recognize an autistic nigger being a toxic shithole for the lulz when they see one.
realtalk tho? that kinda stuff has never scared him off, either, and to his credit he really doesn't care either.
He's also not afraid to engage with rage-posters because he has GIANT, GIANT FUCKING BIG DICK ENERGY and children like that make him laugh.
Like, he relishes in it. People can form all the opinions they want, it's just entertainment to him.
He know's y'all need a target and because he's a bit more publicly known it happens.

>>261935307
post links instead of talking out of your ass, nodev

>>261935676
Your manner of speech is literally incoherent to the point that anyone can tell you've got brain problems. Do everyone a favour and stop posting. Maybe go back to school and learn some coherent grammar too.

>>261934257
>>261935071
>lhun still trying to save face
Cope, if you don't understand why you're a r*dditor you should stay there, stop waving your name around for clout.

>>261935839
>I'm too retarded to just look at their bug tracker
try again retard
I code big software solutions for a living btw, blow it out your own ass.

>>261934429
k
I never said he could fix anything personally, I just said it's not like there's not talented people working on the game in a general sense. I mentioned quite a few others who DO know their shit.
Many of the folks they have are highly experienced and I'm sure their hiring procedures take that into account. Ron also worked at oculus for Lost and Alumette, he does know some modern things. Big midi/networked audio expert.
If you watch any of the dev streams their dream for the platform is pretty ambitious with some serious audio system overhauls and a lot of other things.
Though this is the same as everyone else, like HF and Sansar.
the difference is that vrchat has an audience and companies give them funding because they singlehandedly put tons of eyeballs in headsets thanks to it's popularity.
*shrug*, I dig it. Can't do some of the things I wanna do anywhere else, so I can't help but be a fan.

>>261935676
>his orbiters are here too
This shit is disgusting

>>261936181
that was the weakest response I've ever seen newfag. It's clear you lost the argument.

>>261935676
>for the lulz
stay back in the previous decade

>>261935963
no u, esl.
u live under a rock so bad you don't know common slang
lurk 10 more years.

>>261936378
>It's clear you lost the argument.
You act like I was ever stooping low enough to have one with you. Almost cute.

>>261936214
>my larping means im right

>>261935839
IMAGINE having a dedicated beta test branch for your application and yet shitting the bed with literally every fucking update
source: your mother, but also:
https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/new-update-breaks-avatar-sounds
https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/avatar-audio-is-crackly
https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/vrcplayeraudiooverride-breaks-when-you-leave-from-the-world-staying-on-it
https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/positional-audio-malfunctioning
https://vrchat.canny.io/bug-reports/p/some-avatars-just-become-error-avatars

>>261936685
>look at their bug tracker, and notice that almost every major bug is from 2017
wow, look at all of those 2017 canny posts

Guys help please. Anybody would know how can I add mods to my pirate copy of Beat Saber?

>>261936890
I was demonstrating the bugs just from the most recent update. Impressive that you lost the apparent ability to read now as well.

>>261936685
all this shows is that they're actually making massive, massive behind the scenes changes.
Things breaking during updates shows that it's not minor shit, they're changing entire systems.

>IMAGINE having a dedicated beta test branch for your application and yet shitting the bed with literally every fucking update.

the open beta hardly nobody ever goes into? The one that most people don't report on or bother to use despite shitting all over the game generally when a patch goes live?
The game built on user created content that is the core cause of most of the bugs you linked to? How dare they expect the users to report these things!
FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME - 90% of the bugs in vr chat are user content related!!

>new-update-breaks-avatar-sounds
only some of them, and only if they're in an improper format that didn't migrate with the engine well. Use OGG like unity intends you to do or are you too fucking stupid to spend 30 seconds in audacity converting your fucking retarded mumblerap meme de jour from a mp3 you ripped from youtube?

>avatar-audio-is-crackly
yes, that's what happens when everyone begs for player voice audio prioritization and your own connection (or audio card) is fucking shit. Take away the buffering and that's what you get. They are bridging audio from SEVERAL different networked audio solutions on 3 distinct platforms. What the fuck do you want? Clean audio or no latency audio? Fucking pick one! Have you heard voice chat in apex? fuck!

>vrcplayeraudiooverride-breaks-when-you-leave-from-the-world-staying-on-it
Legit, good find. BRAND NEW FEATURE THEY PUT OUT LAST WEEK. Might only affect certain scenes and build configs of those scenes, which again is player driven.

>Positional audio malfunctioning
might be due to the local rotation of the head being reported wrong to the scene after an avatar change.

>some-avatars-just-become-error-avatars
not enough information to reproduce.

>>261936685
>Download beta branch
>Can still see and join friends using stable but world is empty
And this is why almost no one beta test.

>>261935071
leave already please

>>261937758
unironically true.
Though the bugs that would be introduced due to incompatible systems between builds would prevent them from isolating anything.

>>261937689
>Things breaking during updates shows that it's not minor shit, they're changing entire systems.
Yeah, great idea to break the only stable branch. That'll show that we're serious about improving!

>the open beta hardly nobody ever goes into? The one that most people don't report on or bother to use despite shitting all over the game generally when a patch goes live?
Because it's not their job to ensure that nothing gets wrecked to shreds every time VRC devs decide to push out another update. They provide absolutely no incentive for people to test things, so why should they? Let the team hire actual testers.

>>261932141
Onward's not bad though. It's biggest issue is it's boring and doesn't improve over time.

I sense a lot of hostility in this thread, could i recommend having sex

>>261931546
Pavlov? Not really. You'd have to make a game from ground up to fit the anime artstyle. But it didn't happen on PC, outside of some rare TPS didn't happen on consoles, so you better believe it's not happening in VR.

>>261937689
Even more demoralizing, and why people refuse to help out the developers much at all is that their feedback goes ignored very often. Have a look at the top feature requests. The #1 request was literally denied because VRC pulled a Blizzard with "we know what you want better than you do."

>>261937689
VRChat in an empty world still has massive CPU overhead compared to other VR games.

>>261938945
>>261937864
This needs more votes:
https://vrchat.canny.io/feature-requests/p/api-improvement-special-beta-tag-on-api-to-only-see-beta-worldsusers-when-using-

>>261938857
Hi I'm a doctor i prescribe you some dilate exercises for your rectum

>>261938708
it's not their job to make sure the user created content isn't broken, they're just nice enough to try not to break as much of it as they can.
They're the platform provider.
In the vast majority of cases they can always ask people to simply re-upload with the new sdk and it will no longer be broken.
It's like going REEEE about browsers dropping flash support.
come on.

>>261938961
"massive", guiz. Pic related from current beta.
much of that is just vr stuff and unity generally, not vrc.

>>261939271
>it's not their job to make sure the user created content isn't broken
When your entire game is 99% user-created content? Oh yes it fucking is.

>>261938746
And that's it's a soulless asset flip with no interesting gamemodes or actual fun gameplay.

also the maps are more shit than any given steam workshop pavlov map

>>261939271
>In the vast majority of cases they can always ask people to simply re-upload with the new sdk and it will no longer be broken.
Not a single one of those bugs posted above can be fixed with that, so... no. I don't get where you're pulling these out your ass from.

>>261939631
They can't fix fucking ALL of it. There are literally multiple millions of avatars and worlds uploaded every year. That's not an exaggeration. Imagine all the shaders, model, armature, animation, collider etc etc combonations across all of those. Like who the fuck knows how many billions of breaking permutations could exist?
The fact that they got almost every world back in the game from 5.6 to 2017.4 was crazy to me in the first place.
Literally everything that didn't use crunch compression on baked lighting pretty much still worked.
Like, how in the fuck was so much retained without re-importing goddamned everything manually? The mesh formats and physics and everything are all compiled completely differently between that build and 2017.4.

>>261939825
>And that's it's a soulless asset flip
Guess I have a soft spot for it because I was hyping myself up for VRFPS with it before I bought my headset.
To be honest I didn't notice the asset flippiness until someone pointed it out to me. I feel much more immersed in Onward than I do in Pavlov, but I usually only play with bots to avoid boring downtime and public sweat.
Maps are shit indeed. No idea why is everyone hellbent on making 5v5 games with maps that are anything but meant for 5v5. Not only they are too large, they're not designed for that. Fucking Pavlov has the ability to host larger servers, and it's probably the only game that could get away with 5v5 hard limit.
Between Contractors and Onward, I'd say Onward has more potential, but Contractors could easily beat Pavlov if the devs gave a fuck.

>>261939830
so you think. Many of those things could be caused by some parameter of the user generated content they didn't think of, like the positional audio thing. Could be entirely related to armature transform calculations and pivot rotation origins on certain models, or even the NAMING structure of those things.
I can think of a way off the top of my head:
Could be broken/fucky avatar boundaries. Wouldn't even have to be your avatar. If someone with a fucking huge boundary beyond the limits of the map joins. Now, the game is trying to calculate the direction of the audio coming out of your mouth for them, but your/their boundary is out in outer space and overlapping so the math between your position and their position causes a negative value and it loops around, then gets stuck that way.
Bingo bango inverted left and right, and it's the user's fault.
https://forum.unity.com/threads/calculation-mathematics-of-local-scale-position-and-rotation-relative-to-parent-transform.285750/

>>261940421
because networking 10-25 players is way easier with free assets and causes very few problems.
there's a very big reason why 99% of games have instancing and matchmaking like that.
There is a few things like lumberyard that attempt to surpass that, PUN and Forge are pretty much it.

>>261940036
I can't even fathom systems like Minecraft, or Second Life breaking so much shit with every update. Even Minecraft would be excusable because there's an older version to fall back on that's always available for download. None of that here. Want to revert the godawful network IK that's still as shit as it was since May with only minor changes? Too bad, go fuck yourself.

>>261940530
Congrats, you just pulled a lot of ideas out of your ass. I can do that too, wanna see? Still comes down to the dev's faults for their SDK, not the user here. I can tell you're not a content creator, else you wouldn't be defending them like this. (No, your "my little first world" doesn't count either.)

>>261937240
I'd assume it's the same as doing it for a legit copy. I remember hearing something about pirates getting permanently blacklisted from ScoreSaber though, so you might want to check on that first.

>>261935071
>imagine the cope of gatekeeping a public website like 4ch
Are you the damned loser who keeps reeing about "gatekeeping" in the thread? Figures it would be an actual redditnigger to get so assflustered over one of the foundational cornerstones of imageboard culture.
Lurk moar faggot

>>261937689
>things breaking shows many things to come!

>>261937240
Have you tried mod assistant? What happens?

>>261937689
>all this shows is that they're actually making massive, massive behind the scenes changes.
Or that they barely know what they're doing

>>261940979
minecraft literally breaks fucking -everything- with every update, what in the hell are you talking about? The chunk system just allows legacy chunks to exist, and you have to literally move blocks generated in the new version of the game to get those features on already existing chunks.
Vrchat is essentially "playermods, the game".
Vivecraft took months to get on 1.14 because optifine took months to get on 1.14.
Minecraft is a really bad example that proves this point.

>>261940979
>I can tell you're not a content creator

not him, but if this is who I think it is, he's literally one of the very first content creators vrchat ever had and he would have knowledgeable perspective on it. His tutorial shit predates EVERYONE else's.

>>261939575
Lavender on the left, VRChat on the right in the same world in desktop mode.
Both game working at 90 FPS.
World is 'Rest and Sleep'

Check other VR game in main menu.
Hope you loaded into a void world, RAM usage is too much for the content you are loading.
The same map in VRChat runs worse than on Lavender, and use more memory.
It takes longer to load a scene in VRC.


While testing, I managed to bug out VRChat to not load worlds past 100%, including the Home world, this is a well known issue that still has not been fixed because the solution is to restart the game.
This proves a point, VRC needs 20 people and "industry veterans" to screw in a lightbulb while Lavender only needed two people and few months of research.

>much of that is just vr stuff and unity generally, not vrc.
This is false, from experience and evidence.

>>261940979
EARLY
ACCESS.
Expecting vrchat to be stable when they plaster EARLY ACCESS on everything is stupid.

>>261942305
Early access is not an excuse to be bad

>>261941019
>>261941668
It blocks... It sucks cause I want to play my fav weeb songs

>>261942305
What is the significance of Early Access really? What stops them from pulling the same shit a couple other devs did and just calling the next update 1.0 and calling it a day?

>>261942441
>It blocks
I don't understand post a screenshot or something.

>>261942305
>initial release date feb 1 2017
>still early release
early release is an excuse for both devs and the tools to both defend their incompetence and retards who enable them to do this

>>261942305
Early access is literally an excuse to have a buggy game indefinitely.

>>261942171
you're also not constantly loading an actively updating index of a massive number of worlds and players in the background and you have the benefit of a newer engine build. You can see your network traffic is 0.
Your lighting system seems significantly different between the two as well, which makes sense since different unity. Of course the new engine is better.
Are you in full body? What is the calculation rate of the IK in lavender? VRC could be spending more time doing your personal local calc (and of course it's doing it on an older engine).

If anything I'm surprised it's as low as it is for vrc. 1gb ram and 20% cpu/gpu is not much at all dude.
The differences you're showing are not insignificant but they are also far less large than people make them out to be.

>>261942765
actually vrchat "came out" in late 2014
They've done more than 3 full unity platform changes.

>>261943034
>also not constantly loading an actively updating index of a massive number of worlds
That 20kB of JSON every minute really throws a spanner in even the leanest meanest machines

Reminder to drink responsibly tonight

>>261943212
no, but jamming it into a unity ui element does cause cpu overhead. Lots of things do.

>>261943290
kys with your selfieposting

>>261943170
so they still cant make a full 1.0 after 5 years? or did they just forget to take off the early access part on their game?

>>261939825
They hired people to make original assets. Not sure if that update is out by now or not.

>>261942709
I use the mod assistant. When I launch it notify me it is a pirate copy and cant do anything with it. I may show screenshot when I get home.

>>261943290
pregnant looking bitch

>>261943290
I want to knock ashei up right now

>>261943419
The one wholesome thing on the thread in the last hour or two and you gotta shit it up.
>>261943290
I will thanks
>>261943432
maybe because they don't consider this to be at all polished or ready for prime time? The index JUUUUST came out. 5 years ago we all had DK1's/DK2 and xbox controllers and were seated playing it. It used to be that you hosted your own shit, too, they just indexed it in the client for you. This practice was stopped for obvious reasons of course.
They are probably way worse critics on themselves than we are to them. I can't imagine what it's like to work there.
I'm certain they very much consider this to be a very, very early version of their real vision for the app, and they have said so themselves in every dev stream and post about this topic they've ever had.
Pretty sure they want "oasis" from RPO but better, for 1.0 - everything they do hints at that.

>>261943432
No they love having that label as a scapegoat for every single fuckup they make.

>>261943034
>you're also not constantly loading an actively updating index of a massive number of worlds and players in the background and you have the benefit of a newer engine build.
Current version loads public content from menu when needed.
>Are you in full body?
No & this doesn't matter in Lavender, IK is networked.
>What is the calculation rate of the IK in lavender?
Variable, default is 30 UPS, maximum is 120, can be statically set by the server owner.
>VRC could be spending more time doing your personal local calc (and of course it's doing it on an older engine).
The differences will show once more people are in the world.

>>261943034
>you're also not constantly loading an actively updating index of a massive number of worlds and players in the background
Neither does VRC. Lhun, please PLEASE, FUCKING PLEASE actually LEARN something about the shit you're defending. VRChat very clearly only updates the index of JSON it uses for it's API when the player opens the menu, and only after a delay of a good 5 seconds each tine, if it even decides to at all. I often have to reopen the social menu and fiddle with the expand/collapse tabs to get the damn thing to show me where my friends moved it. The avatar images have been bugged for like a month now, often being stuck permanently on the avatar the person came online with/that you first saw them using even when they change models. More absurdly, it's bugged in the player inspection hover-over in worlds and the "in world" menu, but not in the full friends list.
Lavender IK is so fucking slick that the fact VRC even needs to bring up IK overhead is a fucking joke. If I can load the fucking JSON into the parser in a mere second, vrchat can do better than refusing to show me shit for half a minute on bad days.
It is not in the background.
It is not constantly loading.
It is on request, when the game feels like it and you seriously, unironically need to educate yourself. You're sitting on the top of mount stupid right now blowing smoke out your ass because vrchat added "a feature you really like" so you act like their personal defense dog.
What as the feature, Lhun? What was so good, so fucking ambrosial that you feel compelled to waste posts in this thread defending the absolute biggest shitshow of a game that has gotten LITERAL MILLIONS in funding just to stagnate while Ron and VRPill likely embezzle funds between working on their next set of excuses for why the game isn't going anywhere.

>>261943950
5 years and a team is more than enough to make a game 1.0 you are genuinely a tool

I can imagine what it's like working there. just doing nothing and trying to make up excuses to tupper to tell the player base. had this been a service that wasn't video games they would have had their shit canned early.
this game game people banned from fucking cloudfare stop shilling these idiots

>>261943290
I want to mating press A after drinking irresponsibly!

When?

>>261919736
How would you rank the players in each tier? From best to worst?

>>261944021
>...if it even decides to at all
Listen, ok , if your menu is open during that time, my point stands. You're dynamically changing a really buggy and slow native unity ui layer that needs a ton of improvement. I'm not making excuses for vrchat, it's unity itself here.

>Lavender IK is so fucking slick
the private server that probably hits like zero load? Of course it is! there's no latency! It's probably better, and that's fine.
I'm a fan of lavender project, don't get me wrong! But you're innovating, not inventing. You must admit vrchat did almost all of it first. I wish you the best of luck and I have zero animosity. The same can be said of virtualcast.

>What was so good, so fucking ambrosial that you feel compelled to waste posts in this thread defending the absolute biggest shitshow of a game
It allows the literally crippled mother of my child to "leave her bed" from a 400$ mobile device and hang out with her family 200km away, because she'll possibly never do so in person again for more than a couple hours, asshole.

VR is important to a lot of people for lots of reasons.

>>261944427
you can't that's illegal

You ever just sit in your truck instead of working on your VR "game"?

>>261943743
You're either going to have to try manually installing mods or buy a legit copy, and since they're checking for pirate copies, you may still have issues with some mods if you manually install.

>>261944924
don't start that idiot