/vrg/ - Virtual Reality General #1387

boneworks

Bow down to your thread Queen.

>>416245360
Hail, paizuri queen.

What were the inspirations for your avatar?

>>416245360
WHOA BLACK SPIDERMAN

>>416245360
Oppai-derman, oppai-derman
Stores your cockmilk inside a can
Which he drinks, til it's finished
To him its just like pop-eye's spinach
Look out! Here comes Oppai-derman!

>>416246473 (Cross-thread)
Thanks for golf

>>416245360
used goods

>>416246225
it's a crab

Thanks for coming golfers! Clearly my favorite course so far, everything is beautiful and lively and the holes are a nice mix of skill and novelty. A golfing delight.
See you around next week, sleepy golfers!
>>416246473 (Cross-thread)
Pour one out for the fallen.
>>416244857 (Cross-thread)
Soul, I hope you guys enjoyed the new map as much as I did.

I'm using the Valentine's Ball as a reason to finally finish an outfit I've started. Having a deadline helps.

>>416240183 (Cross-thread)
can they see who gave them the award?

Looking forward to seeing folks at the dinner circle

>>416252383
i hope so

Can you see who awarded you something on steam?

>>416252383
they can't

>>416252490
Monster...

>>416252490
whoever textured the second monster can doesn't know what perspective is

>>416252907
rehab watermelon looks like that irl

>people setting their profiles to private to avoid getting jester'd
LMFAO

>>416252490
there's no fucking way 'aidyn chronicles' is a real game lmafo

>>416252490
Green Monster is mine back the fuck away from it

>>416253007
it doesn't, perspective not correct.
the text is horizontal, it wouldn't look like that.

>>416253271
lmao get your eyes checked, it's literally just a different layout for the rehab line

>>416253393
just like i've said, you just don't know what perspective is, brainletbro.

>>416253393
>>416253271
>>416253007
>>416252907
>>416252907
i'm the texturer, the first guy is right, what the fuck

i just lazily photoshopped a can from a different perspective on because it's cheap set dressing and i need to get this done by tomorrow night.

>>416253543
>>416253512
the rehab can LOOKS like that IN REAL LIFE you fucking retards

>>416253643
What the fuck do you MEAN? I made the texture and the perspective is self-admittedly fucked, what are you trying to argue here?

>>416253543
Free Transform -> Warp, my nigga

>>416253643
>he doubles down
brainlet bro...

>>416253643
genuinely retarded

>>416253748
Yeah, I know, but it's unironically a waste of time for what a minor piece of the map it is. gave it a quick twist and tug to make it slightly less bad but i don't have a ton of time to make them look perfect.

>>416253864
>>416253848
>>416254129
shut the fuck up it looks exactly the same you retards

moooom the virgins are arguing in the thread again

>>416254218
get your eyes/brain checked, bro

>>416253069
reminds me of toileting peoples rooms in phantasy star

>>416255151
qrd?

>>416255345
you could place toilets in other peoples "My Rooms" shit was cash, people would get so mad

>>416255151
better times man, better times. I miss it.

>>416255471
i remember crashing weddings and making people cry and laughing about it desu hosting fake fashion shows where we rigged it so our bad outfit friends win, people would get personally offended

>>416255621
I miss leaving friends boxed presents and spamming SA's during concerts, there was so much stupid stuff you could do that was just fun.

>>416247095
How are there two crowns?

>>416255151
reminds me when i would put parrots into people's rooms and keep saying slurs so the parrots would learn and repeat them

>>416252490
There are anons who were born after these cartridges existed

>>416256150
i also did this, now you get banned in rocket league for saying fuck you to the enemy in 1v1s

>>416256164
Blowing into cartridges...

I never joined the steam group so no jester for me, get fucked

>>416256247
Kids these days blow into other things...

>>416256361
Hey, wanna...

Steam group is based and used for game lobbies with shitty voice.
I use it for Payday/Forest GTFO VR.

>>416256395
Race in Mario Kart 64???

>>416256423
no1 cares fatty nigger

I joined the group but never got an award...

>>416256483
I only had an snes

vrg anons, i just bought pico 4 and tested VRChat with gtx 1060 and i5 7700k via wireless connection in public VRC room
lowest setting
sometime it froze and crash
what should i recommended to do with VRC settings?

>>416257729
>gtx 1060
hey, buddy, i think you've got a wrong door, visual novel thread is two blocks down

>>416257729
I feel sorry for you. I also played with 1060 for a while. You basically can't enter rooms with more than 20 people and ideally no more than 10. Hide all very poor avatars and hide all but closest 10? avatars. You have this in performance tab. You can manually unhide specific persons if you want.

>>416257729
VRC is unoptimizable if you want to run it with 100% content visibility, in the same way as it used to run before anticheat changes and new optimization options on client side. I got 5600x, 3080ti, and game would still run 20fps every now and then if I wouldn't set restrictions. On 1080 it was just plain crashing every now and then. Make sure to set your avatar distance limit, disable avatars from unknown users, all of that helps a lot.

I made this mask for the ball but since I'm probably not going now you can have it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/998744720283017321/1068473881880449084/masque.fbx

>>416257729
get a new computer

>>416257983
o thanks anon, i might actually use this

>>416257870
been while now since i played VRC at 2017 being VRless at the time
it seems alot to me that avatar makers are making more content in a single avatar
what did i missed thought?
heard there was modding fest going on VRC and Anti-cheat happened

>>416245060 (OP)
Finally finished the poster! Let's goooooo

:: FRIEND BY FRIEND - /vrg/ Shuffler Event | February 11 ::
Friends come from all places and walks of lives.

5 minutes at a time with another anon in a room 1 on 1 while everyone gets shuffled round robin style until everyone in the room gets matched up.
Build NEW and OLD friendships alike through around the whole town/city and unexpected locations with people you usually don't get to talk with.

Question/Action cards are available on the table in the middle for when you don't know what to talk about. Currently there are 200+ cards from 2019+2020+2021+2022 valentines.
(Looking for more questions/actions when possible, so please reply to this post on a question you think might be good for breaking the ice or continuing conversations)

And no complaining about the card quality if you didn't send one!

And as always, hope everyone have fun with each other and forge great friendships after the event!
Friend by Friend - SEA - 5PM GMT+8 February 11
Friend by Friend - EU - 9PM GMT+1 February 11
Friend by Friend - NA - 11:00PM EST February 11

>>416257729
Try any other game, VRC is awash with horrifically unoptimized user created content and laden with horrific layers of bloat to make it worse.

>>416258445
Friend my nuts

>>416258445
Ahhh I fucked up again

For EU
Friend by Friend - EU - 19:00 UTC February 11
is the correct timing for EU

>>416258445
For the love of God pick hosts who will kick randos and not leave the instance this time

>>416245360
booba queen

>>416258825
I loved rando by rando last time, what do you mean?
It's great spending most of my time being matched with randos

is 2fa worth for this

>>416258445
duki

>>416258825
>>416258445
Oh right We have a new system that the host can activate that blocks the main door until people place the code you specifically placed and posted on the thread.
The host can choose to block or not the whole instance against randos.

finna stay by the door and feed everyone the code XD

>>416258970
Is there a QR code we can scan to sign up to the MFA system?

>>416259017
Then they just get kicked? What’s your point anon.

Finna take a pen and write the combination then hide the pen

>>416259019
There is unironically an UDON qrcode system that has a live 2FA system through the phone or email.
We do not have that as that sounds like too much of a pain in the ass to setup and for people to use.
We will have a simple number code posted on the thread instead

>>416258970
niggertoes

>>416258445
can you not do it during the dark and darker playtest please

>>416259136
>dark and darker
The what?

>>416259136
>another minecraft clone
why bother

>>416259161
Flat games

>>416257983
>since I'm probably not going
Why not?

>>416259161
shit game, don't mind

>>416258970
Need a bouncer to kick these people too >>416259017
>>416259087

>>416259209
He genuinely doesn’t know

>>416252690
No, you'll never find out that it was me >:)

>split something on booth with someone last year
>cant find dm with the files for it anymore
AUGHHHHHH

>>416258970
uhhh i don't know if that code is a good idea, it's just gonna be annoying and a lot of randos will just input the code.
can't we just have the instance owners kick randos? or maybe add some udon functionality to let a predefined group of people deal with randos by teleporting them to a "jail" using Udon?

>>416261015
I got awarded the comfy blanket by someone on my friends list, as my profile is private.

>>416261370
sorry just woke up
i meant that people might spoonfeed their rando friends the code anyway

>>416261370
Instance owners are going to be in FbF too, and not able to teleport to spawn and interview randos

>>416261370
Just make it a group instance and have people join that group for the event.

>>416261112
Jist ask them for it

>>416261531
we've been over this, it's not a good idea to only have group instances

Are you really friends with your friends if you just keep searching for new company…

I’ve found me friends. I have known them for 5 years and the relationship only gets better like a fine wine. If you keep searching for company then maybe you aren’t searching for a friend but rather selfishly searching for a prey that can satisfy your needs. Maybe the reason you can’t find love or strong bonds is because you are the problem…

Love goes both ways but if you only believe it goes one way then you’ll never find love.

>>416261531

>>416258970
>>416261370
I think the code is worth a try. Especially in FBF hosts can't interrogate randos because everyone is in private rooms most of the time. We should be all be reporting randos to them anyways, maybe through dms in discord?

>>416261568
i dont remember who it was nor do i see it in anyone's dm history

>>416261702
If you couple this idea with an Udon thing that allows the instance owner (and/or select people) to teleport suspected randos to a separate "jail" room, the host can dip out for a bit during break time to interrogate the randos in jail and then either free them or kick them.

>>416261663
There's nothing wrong with broadening your horizons and meeting new people. I don't necessarily even get new friends at these events and just enjoy chatting with different people. These events are also really good for newfriends to get to know people in the community and integrate them better

>>416261370
>to let a predefined group of people deal with randos by teleporting them to a "jail" using Udon?
Sounds too moderatey to me and gives too much power without accountability since we won't know who among the group of people kicked.
A single instance owner can be made responsible (aka the host)

I'll think of a way for people to more easily request the instance owner's assistance like a request "owner teleport" ? This sounds incredibly hard to code. Closest I can think of is the B-club invite request but I'm unsure if B-kun would be willing to share tools of the trade stuff that earns him a living.

But the best way is for people to maybe coordinate with the host via "vote kicks" if they get past the code system.

And interrogation system for the host could be wicked cool where they can teleport specific people to them like a reverse of friend finder.
But again unsure if I can code this. If someone can reverse engineer friend finder and reverse the teleportation system I'll plug it in if it has no unforseen consequence.
https://github.com/jokerIsPunk/find-your-friends/releases/

Reminder that votekicks now work again

>>416261531
>new friends can't get verified during the event as the host is busy
Also bad

Just DM your hosts, I check my DM’s after every match to see if anyone’s gotten matched with a random. Tell me who it is, and I’ll take care of it.

>>416261910
The host can see who initiated the vote kick so maybe a trustworthy list of approved votekickers can be made which get automatically approved by the host. This way we can avoid the "lol I don't like you get kicked" for actual anons.

>>416262009
This. My discord ID is in my status. If some rando gets through the password then you can just DM me and I can look into it

Just use a fucking group, you already talk about discord DM names and shit. Or just assume everyone is from 4Chan and just don't care.

>discord
>vrchat groups
khmm, why do you even need 4chan at this point?

>>416262263
They don't, but they wanna keep up the fakeness of it all. It all boils down to VRC meets wich are pure cancer.

>>416261663
>you don't have friends? you are the problem...
Correct.

>>416262263
a lot of the discord people dont come here anymore which is why we have seen drama in the past when they put codes at the entrance and discord people were unable to get in

>>416262263
How else are people going to get into quick contact with the host while they're constantly taking part in the event ingame? A post in the thread isn't going to be seen for a while and it'd probably be full of dubious falseflags that x person is a rando

>>416262681
They aren't gonna be kept out this time, they'll just get spoonfed the code in their inner circle discords.

the gatekeeping/thread elitism is dumb and part of the reason vrg has a bad rep. Just let anons who show up have fun.

i never have this kind of drama with the friends i make in my singleplayer games

>>416262772
I would imagine the NA host is going to be one of the main discordfags so you are probably right

>>416262767
I can think of a few people who would try call out someone they don't like as being a rando and beg for them to be kicked.

>>416262410
I purely use the thread and go to comfy vrc meets most days of the week. What are you on about nignog

>>416262804
A bad rep where? public worlds? other communities? good.
I don't want garbage here.

>>416262767
you didn't answer the question

>>416262804
Thread gatekeeping is dumb, but might as well just say fuck it all since the code will be spoonfed to different discords anyway, also this
>>416262886

>>416262931
You are the garbage anon

>>416262986
the code will definitely be posted in the vp discord as well which is our biggest source of problematic randos.
the rando problem wasn't that big last time, the only issue is an underaged quest user joining the lobby, we crashed them pretty quickly. the instance owner fucked off after 4 hours to their own friends instance so there was no one around to kick them.
why was the world quest-compatible during the event anyway?

>>416263069
no u

>>416262986
You are pic related

there weren't even that many randos last time, we votekicked them all pretty quick. now that votekicks are back i think this problem self-regulates.
last time the only time we had a few randos is when the instance owner left. if that happens again now, it's not like the owner is around to do anything about it.
maybe we should only use the code lock on the front door in case the instance owner leaves?

>>416262804
thread elitism is an attempt to address the real cancer which gave the thread a bad name
I still don't understand why identityfags insist on using 4chan, an anonymous imageboard, when their needs could be (and actually are) better served by other platforms, like for example discord

>>416263142
You are pic related

>>416262937
Why wouldn't I need 4chan? It's my home for discussing things, funposting and finding likeminded people. Why would anyone anywhere need 4chan anymore? Your question is retarded.

>>416263164
and by that i mean leave it open and let votekicks and the instance owner/discord DM's sort it out.
and then if the instance owner leaves, THEN put on the code. people can then either stay in the gated instance, or join the other instances by that time, or move people over to a new temporary one until NA starts.

Considering jumping into this should prices dip a little. Thinking on using pico4, just because quest2 users being remotely shut down for wrongthink is a bit too much for me, plus having to connect a non-throwaway facebook account to it.

Thoughts on the pico4? I wouldn't only want it to vrc but also to play martial arts games that involve punching. I have an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB... How far am I off my target here? I don't really care about having to recharge my batteries every 2 hours, if my pc gpu can't handle vr, it's good to take breaks anyway.

I don't need a hundred games to be satisfied, only one that's replayable and good to add to my workout regimen to spice things up a bit.

Should have questions you need to answer to get in.
>What movie was hosted tuesday this week EU time?
>What time is EU pavlov played on tuesdays?
>What did dinner circle eat this week?
>What anime franchise was watched wednesday EU times?
Etc, 3 correct answers to questions regarding the thread.

>>416263178
>identityfags insist on using 4chan

IDK, for some reason, some people thing using this site is a form of clout? Haha bros i'm so edgy i use Le 4chan. Boy i sure am quirky right? Attention please i'm so cool... please think i'm cool...

>>416263164
EU was fine but the NA instance I joined was full to the brim with randos and everyone was complaining, it was terrible

>>416263265
>read thread
>don't pay attention to these meets
>get kicked

>>416263305
>read thread
>dont read the thread
???

>>416263207
How curious it is that you automatically equate improving society to communism.
Freudian slip, perhaps?

>>416263178
>people can ONLY use either 4chan and be anonymous OR use discord and forums with an identity
Why can't we just use both dumbass

>>416263265
>dinner circle
I have that shit filtered, CVR meets are garbage.

>>416263265
I only know the answer to one of those and that's only because I run it.

>>416263259
The most likely game for your workout is beatsaber; people do exercise things in vrchat sometimes but most of the combat games are kind of shallow.
You can use a Meta account for the Quest now so you don't need a facebook.

>>416263525
>putting text on a gif is "influencer" shit
nigger what

>>416263525
Excuse me I stole it and reposted it

>>416263398
Because that just doesn't work?
Your identityfagging and gay cliques inevitably leak to the thread and shit it up, which in case makes it unusable for people who actually intent to use the site properly, as an anonymous image, not as a bootleg discord abomination.
The question is: Why cannot you just leave? You will be happy and we will be happy? Why you insist on being cancer?

>>416263614
Uoooh?

>>416258445
Interrupting the rando code discussion for now.
Can someone please suggest ice breaker cards to place in?
Everyone complained before that the card questions inside are garbo

>>416263654
remove all of the sex cards

>>416263614
Hello crinkler. Return to your containment zone. It smells nice in here and you smell of diaper rash.

>>416263265
This is retarded and makes it easier to spoonfeed randos.
Just have a normal conversation with people and they out themselves as randos pretty quick

>>416263525
You are pants on retarded.
Where do you think image with IMPACT font as TOP and BOTTOM TEXT originated from?
I will give you one guess

>>416263725
It also assumes that people are interested in those events, which many are ssuredly not.

>>416263515
Exercising with friends an ocean away as if we are in one room is one of the hooks I feel for me honestly in vrc. I have been working on getting connected to discord friends on vrc with not much success yet, thats why im also looking at other options to play.

beatsaber does look cool, but saw some other boxing simulator games. while the graphcics are pretty boring it looks like a good alternative to shadow boxing. though i think its locked to only quest users, some of those games?
also quest 2 raising its price by 100 bucks later on is also pretty fucked, it should be the other way.

>>416263725
This makes sense. So I guess the best system at the end of the day is that weird interrogation system where the host can teleport to them anyone they want for questioning.

Coding that sounds like a painnnnnnnnnn

>>416263809
Easier for randos to get spoonfed by giving them the answers
Harder for actual thread users who ignore those events
What could go wrong?

>>416263654
Icebreaker questions:
"What do you ask people to determine if they're randos?"

>>416263936
Very meta I like it. Placing it in

>>416263624
>anonymously posting in the thread while talking to people on discord is cancer
>I'm shitting up the thread by talking in discord
Real schizo moment here bro
Who am I?

>>416261575
and why is that? groups seem like the perfect way to host events

>>416263865
>quest 2 raising its price by 100 bucks later on is also pretty fucked, it should be the other way.
The profit margins were slim, games weren't selling because there were 3 decent paid games and everyone played the free stuff instead, and meta stock is plummeting hard.

"What do you define as a rando?"

>>416264063
Juicy, spicy. Aight it's in.

>>416263936
“What’s your 4chan origin story?”
“What would you say your overall aesthetic is that inspired your current model?”
“What’s your favorite all time video game?”
“What game do you think has the best OST and why?”
“What’s one genre of video game you’ve always wanted to get into, but never did?”
“What did you want to be when you grow up?”
“What’s the most shameful fap you’ve ever had?”
“What is some random media lore (video game, movie, book) that you know an absurd amount about? Why’d you pick that in particular to dive into?”

>>416263792
facebook.com

Rando = an anon i don't like, please kick them despite most people knowing who they are, they're a rando, a rando i say!

>>416264106
Sankyu! Good stuff anon

>>416263986
>unironically defending discord while still insisting on posting on 4chan
>ignoring the points completely
I guess trying to explain to cancer why it's cancer is futile.

>>416258445
Did you go through and remove the shit questions yet?

>>416264024
>>416263515
any other cheap alternatives you could say maybe to pico4 if one is suspectible to motion sickness?

>>416264338
Uhhhh I'm sectioning them off into it's own card pool. The "spicy" card pool maybe.
I'm making a toggle system to show or hide card decks for you to use.
By default it's just gonna have this year's card deck

>>416263654
What was the last video game you played?
What was the last video game you beat?
Is there something you really miss eating that you haven't had in a long time?
Do you have any musical talents?
When did you last feed your Neopet?
What's your go-to class/archetype in an RPG?

>>416264371
Everyone is susceptible to motion sickness at first. Don't blame the headset. (Almost everyone, some people never get it, but most do.)
It goes away after a while. If you get too sick just take the headset off and try again later.

>>416261817
I think it'd be too much work for the map creators but this is a hilarious idea. VRG tribunals when

"Why haven't you played outer wilds VR yet?"
"What's the last vr game you played that wasn't trannychat?"
"If you take your steamvr hours and minus your VRC hours, how many hours remain?"
"Why don't you get a G29 and play VR racing games?"

>>416261993
If you only join during events we don't want you anyways. Newfriends should be joining during regular meetups.

>>416264468
Gracias

>>416264593
Events are the easiest to join because they have the most visibility, dingus.

>>416262804
What the fuck are you talking about? What does "rep" have to do with anything? You're on fucking 4chan. Rep doesn't mean shit.

>>416263654
Whats you opinion on voice changers?
Do you like AI art?
Do you use trash?
Which pokemon is the most breedable?
When did you start playing VRC?
Are you a wizard?
What's your favourite Booth base?
Do you have a 4chan pass?

>>416264593
Anon one of Friend by Friend's biggest purpose is to help new friends integrate as it's scary to join meetups that are big.
Friend by friend guarantees a 1 on 1 approach without needing to "approach".

>>416264593
which they are only able to be introduced to through events
I've seen someone started hosting NA exploration on Thursdays, and there's often instance links on Friday EU hours, but 80% of lurkers just leave because they can't figure out "what the /vrg/ world" is

>>416264684
Most people think vrg is a bunch of schizos and autists. Well, i can't blame them.

>>416264174
give 1(one) example

>>416264685
>>416264587
Thanks placing ehm!

>>416264719
Well a secret door code wouldn't help a lot with that, even if they do read the thread.

>>416264719
I agree with you but it shouldn't be their very first meetup.
>>416264676
>>416264741
Events have the same amount of visibility as any other event that happens during the week that gets posted here.

>>416264817
how is it a secret door code when it's going to be clearly posted with the link to the event
the reason for the code is so friends+ randos can't get in

>>416264753
>Well, i can't blame them.
What do you mean? Are you not agreeing with that statement?

>>416264817
It's an experiment this time round a compromise.
We used a code posted on the thread for the halloween event and the dance event.
A healthy balance must be struck if we are to satisfy the most amount of anons.
The code shouldn't be too much of a pain to plug in hopefully as we've used a similar system to other events before.

>>416264753
so?

>>416264869
>Events have the same amount of visibility as any other event

>>416264817
And why is that exactly? If they do read the thread then they would have the secret code. It's a non-issue.

>>416263654
"What's the last _____ you played/read/watched/listened to?"
Rather than separate cards for each, this allows the asker to ask about a topic they are interested in

>>416264593
You are retarded. When I was new I was too scared to ask for an invite. I only joined on the links posted in the thread and only events are posted here and not regular hangouts.

>>416265040
Not everyone reads the thread every day.

>>416265148
You are either blind or retarded. Just ctrl+F "vrch.at" in the previous thread and you see 8 links.

>>416265148
we post hangouts here sometimes, if you ask for a link drop you'll get one too.

>>416265148
Going back to the thread before you have 5 links and the one before that has 14. You are literally just wrong. Links get posted here all the time as I just proved.

>>416265148
This exactly

>>416265251
>>416265349
These are all watching/pypy/exploration zero hangouts.

>>416265392
how is exploration not a hangout

>>416265392
>these events aren't events

just go to the fucking discord please

>>416265349
Anon weekly events are not regular hangouts
I think that's what the anon you replied to meant

One-time Events
Periodical Events
Seasonal Events
Weekly Events
Regular Hangouts

>>416265445
I'm saying that I consider these links an event link.
>>416265475
Exactly.

>>416265392
fucking dumbass

>>416265462
t.discord fag telling anons to not use the thread
FUCK OFF

>>416265561
you are discordfags masquerading as anons
don't make me laugh

>>416265561
Don't use the thread for VRC /soc/ shit.

>>416265392
Exploration IS a hangout.
It's very rare for weekday instances to just be a "hangout", especially during EU.
I post friday/saturday night hangout instance links sometimes for actual "hangouts" where we stick to a single map for a good couple of hours and just talk and chill. But often I forget or don't see the need.
But if someone on the thread asks, I will post one or get the instance owner to post one.
So next time, just ask anywhere after 21:00 UTC on a friday or saturday.

Seasonal events should just have a no-first timers policy. It would save so much trouble and headache and the only loss is that newfags have to join a regular hangout and can just make it to the next event.

>>416265695
That is the most retarded take I have ever heard.

>>416265695
unironically this. there's no reason why a newfag can't just join the dozen of regular hangouts that lead up to an event. events get posted weeks in advance too so they have plenty of time

>>416265734
Why is that?

>>416263265
>EU movie title last week?
Was it gundam ….persona 3 movie?
>EU pavlov time?
Uhhh I think it’s 3am my time? On the gem server?
>what did dinner circle eat this week?
Gamer fuel?
>what anime franchise was watched Wednesday EU time
…Gundam?

I’m pretty high how’d I do?

>>416265695
Wrong, the only policy we need is "must be from 4chan". Events are a great way to pull in newfriends.

>>416265695
I think that is reasonable but I have no idea how you would be able to verify whether or not they've been to other events before. Especially if its an EU trying to attend NA or other way around.

>>416265695
That is the most retarded take I have ever heard.

>>416265868
It reduces freedom and adds layers of control which expects someone to use their time to enforce it

>>416265921
>>416265946
Make a temporary group just for the group right now and post it here. Delete the groupimmediately after the event.

>>416265994
That is the second most retarded take I have ever heard

>>416265695
that's fucking stupid

>>416265994
I dont think using groups is going to do much of anything in this regard.
>>416265946
If the freedom is just the freedom to be a rando at the friend by friend meet then I am fine restricting that freedom.

>>416264587
These are pointed and one word answers

>>416265921
We need more strict segregation between NAs and EUs. Too many ESL EUfags flooding NA instances where real NAs can't get in, and too many loud NAs in EU instances

How hard is it to just votekick randos immediately, or approach an instance owner to kick them, or if worst comes to worst pull out a crasher avatar and crash them?
Or if the instance owner is nowhere to be seen just make a new instance, anyone can do it. There is no rule that you MUST stick exclusively to the event owners' instances when they are absent.

>>416266107
I rather click three buttons in the thread and join a group than deal with randos at the event.

>>416266156
Hell naw, talking to NA's one-on-one is one of the highlights for friend by friend for me. I can usually never break into their conversation circles otherwise. I'm sure they feel the same way when they visit EU.
Timezone elitism is stupid

>>416266227
Exactly this anon gets it. It's a relationship forming event. Division is fucking dumb. Specially among other 4chan users.

>>416266156
one of the main points of friend by friend is to cross regions though.

>>416266170
votekicking people still has the issue where you can't confirm if they are actually randos or actual newfags. no one will actually crash someone. you want a FULL instance of 70 people to jump maps because 1 rando won't get kicked????

>>416266170
>How hard is it to just votekick randos immediately
Very hard, because the sad truth is that most of the people attending /vrg/ events do not use the thread and will automatically vote no to any vote kick attempts.

>>416266303
Yeah I really enjoy chatting it up with the other timezones I usually don't get the time to chat with.

>>416266315
adding on to your point, what is stopping the rando from also jumping instances? I guess the idea is that the new leader will kick the rando when he does? It seems unrealistic that people would all move just for that though.

>>416266316
Only one person needs to agree for a votekick to pass: the host.

>>416266170
Being here for over 2 years and have attended almost 90% of major events and most hangouts, I can confirm votekicks almost NEVER go through.

>>416266387
I mean TT moved instances because a couple rando TDAs joined.

>>416266443
TT is like 20 people at most on a good week, that is very different from friend by friend which is usually several full instances during NA.

>>416266170
>we should all leave because of 1 rando
C'mon anon. I'm cucked as fuck but not THAT cucked.

Anyone knows what is the cooldown before you can re-enter an instance after a votekick?

>>416266402
votekicks go through pretty often at EU but it gets a little more difficult at big events when everyone is drunk off their ass, and you get jokers saying shit like "lol i always vote no unless I'm lagging, then i always vote yes"

>>416266504
1 hour

>>416266303
why would I want to be your friend if you can only bother to log in for two days a year during my timezone

>>416266504
1 hour after a kick or votekick.

>>416265917
They are and any anon worth their salt should NOT be spoonfed and can do their (easy)homework of just joining before the actual event.

>>416266547
The event is meant to meet new people not the same people you regularly hang out with every other day of the week.

>>416266489
20 people and 15 randos

>>416266504
1hr

>>416265946
You want freedom but you also don't want to do anything about the problem. Why not just use the systems in place to solve them. Temporary event groups are literally perfect for the problem at hand.

The issue with votekicks at FbF is that only the person who matches up with the rando can confirm that they're a rando or not. Remember to always ask them WHO did they join off from and kick them too.

>>416266692
I think a code would be a better solution than a group.
Just gotta put a banner over the keypad that says "code can be found in the thread" to eliminate confusion while still keeping the randos out.
The problem with groups is that everyone shows up as being in a private instance (even if you share the same group), the instances list in groups is still a bit fucked and broken as groups is very unfinished, and you can't properly see who is where.

>>416266692
Temporary event groups are not perfect at all.
That requires pre-verification from a host
requires people to click multiple times to request join group for a sign up upon which the host has to have a chat with them to see if they are from 4chan. A very nerve wracking interview to some
Both makes and adds a lot of overhead to joining the event.

Compare that to just reading the thread and looking for the code from the event post on the day of the event.

>>416266893
What's wrong with showing up in a private instance? It's literally a /vrg/ event. It says it on the poster and everything too. Only people who are /vrg/ should be in it and those people will have known about it already and have seen the poster. It being private has no bearing on it whatsoever.

>>416266893
also the group must necessarily be open to join and at that point a rando can just join the group from their friend and join anyway.
I hate the concept of having a "code" but it's the best automated way to only allow in people who read the thread.
Both with groups and with a code, you'd also be keeping out people who use 4chan a lot but don't actively read this thread, both with groups and with threads. Remember that this is supposed to be a 4chan community and not just "exclusively people who read this one general every day".

>>416267031
We'll place a "code can be found in the thread" thing then. That should be enough right?
Or should we add /vrg/ there too?

>>416267151
still doesn't solve this problem >>416259017

>>416267151
Don't write /vrg/ on it. Just saying the thread is enough to anyone who came from here

>>416267191
He can feed only so many codes before being kicked.

>>416267151
I think "Code can be found in the /vrg/ thread" is probably better. A rando is never going to know what that means.
And you never know, maybe this way we'll accidentally get a newfriend in who browses 4chan but doesn't know about this specific general.

>>416267151
don't even bother writing anything at all. make it super obscure like the jap events and make it just a keypad. if you're from here you would know anyways

>>416267151
Add
Code found at "4chan.org/vg/vrg, click the thresd named vrg, not the vrgg one, ctrl +f search friend by friend and look for a code."
Also add the how to image well visible when you spawn in.

>>416267204
>>416267260
We'll need you two to debate it out. Cause this is two ideas that could very well work between each other.

>>416267260
>google /vrg/
>find it instantly
>auto spoonfed

Codes are cancer, we have votekicks and instance owners and that worked fine last time.
If you want to put a tighter lid on it, designate a group of people (or allow the instance owner to designate people) and give all of them the power to jail randos by teleporting them to an inescapable jail room.

>>416267260
Realistically what are the chances of that happening? The chances of a rando joining off their 4chan vrg friend and also being from 4chan but not know about vrg? Seriously. It's more likely that they'll just lie their way in since the vetting process is laughable.

>>416267319
Add the link to the discord too "If you have trouble finding the code, go to discord/<invite>, say you browse /a/, /k/ and /g/ and have a VR headset and they'll give you the code."

/vrg/ is stuck in a timeloop

>>416267341
>that worked fine last time
We must be attending different events

Just have a code, if you are not a rando, you know where to find it.
>>416267341
t. Spoonfeeds his own randos in he finds in PUG/Black cat and several inner cords.

>>416267503
EU was fine, get better hosts for NA then instead of drunk asses that aren't there to facilitate the event's success.

>>416267453
Not everyone wants to join the discord. I didn't because its fucking dumb, and from the caps i've seen of it it's just mainly /trash/ tier drama posting

>>416267341
As someone said before>>416266402 it doesn't work. During the last mid-FbF I personally encountered over 5 randos and remember one of the instances being a complete loss as it became overrun by randos.

>>416267541
>t. Spoonfeeds his own randos in he finds in PUG/Black cat and several inner cords.
If this were true I could just post the code in said Discords, no?

Last friend by friend I'd say roughly a third of the people I matched with just went "oh haha I don't really use 4chan I just joined off my friend" when I asked them about what boards they like to use

>>416267561
can you really not read the sarcasm?

>>416267652
>"oh haha I don't really use 4chan I just joined off my friend"
You people are so fucking cringe.

>>416267569
>one of the instances being a complete loss as it became overrun by randos.
That usually seems to naturally happen as an instance dies out. the first 12 hrs is mostly /vrg/ but the last 4 hrs has more and more randos unitl that instance is dead and most other anon stragglers go to the other instance that is still alive.

>>416267341
codes are fine, you would have to be mentally retarded not to know how to find the code if you actually belong.

Funny idea: add a rando tattle button hidden in each room
Matched with a rando? Press the button, the other person is marked as a potential rando. Only instance owners can see the "potential rando" mark and know who to interrogate. They can clear the mark and it stays gone forever, or they can decide to kick.

>>416267740
There's a button in the UI already for that, it's called "Start vote to kick"

>>416267740
yuki struggles to even use the prefab on his own how do you expect him to put in new systems like this

>>416267707
and it shouldn't be happening in the first place

>>416265695
Uh no.
Especially the friend by friend which is literally made to meet new people

VRC is not anonymooouse shit, use groups.

If you're going to go through the effort in hosting an event might as well go through the effort in vetting the attendees as well. It's not that much more work than organizing the event anyways. In fact it should be a part of it.

>>416268180
>It's not that much more work
I see you want to volunteer

>>416268180
Please do tell how you would vet them

>>416268223
>>416268275
just make a group, retard

>>416268223
Most of the people saying this stuff WOULD actually want to volunteer.
Hell, I agree with him and I'd do it. It's a lot of work at bigger events but it needs to be done by someone.
>>416268275
Just ask them what boards they browse. If they're confused, ask them what anonymous imageboards they browse. At this point you can choose to maybe ask 1 more clarifying question such as "Do you browse any boards on 4chan?". Don't make it clear that you're about to kick them if they answer wrongly. If they give a satisfactory answer then they're good.

>>416268365
>Just ask them what boards they browse. If they're confused
if they get confused by a question like that they should be instantly kicked for being a random.

>Go to speed dating
>It's the same people I always hang out with
This is why I don't go to speed dating anymore.

>me dreaming of the perfect event with no randos in sight and knowing that i'm in a safe place with fellow like-minded 4channers

>>416268615
Friends+
1/40

>>416268365
So we're in a 80 person event instance. How do I ask all 80 people discretely what boards they browse without others overhearing to cheat the question? How do I do it for all 80 people? How do I vet people who join throughout the event without sitting at the spawn for 8 hours on my own?

>>416268365
>>416268513
Don't forget to ask them who they joined off of as well. The real problem at hand are the leakers. Randos don't know any better if it's a Friends+. It's literally not their fault.

>>416268513
During new years I counted about 3 people who didn't understand what I meant until I said "ANONYMOUS" imageboard specifically. He thought I meant boorus. Ended up talking to 1 of them about the split of /v/ and /vg/. Was a good conversation. He was not a rando. Had I kicked him, I would have kicked a 4chan user.
From the sounds of it you should probably not be volunteering for this job yourself.

>>416268740
I joined on anon over there, you know him? such a cool guy!

>>416268605
Are you from NA?
I keep telling the NA hosts to split the early birds into two groups then making the instance instead of manually inviting for the 2nd group instance.
The EU does it perfectly and split them in a fashion that allows better breathability between the two instances and varied sets of people.
Will gently remind them of this.

You can also try going to the other timezones and see the other anons there.

>>416268734
That's why the volunteers should be people who have been here for at least a year and know most of the names of the regulars by now. They can EASILY pinpoint new names and only vet those people.

>>416268740
I agree, but it's not like I'm gonna kick people left and right for having a friend that isn't 4chan. Just tell them to go on orange.

>>416268740
>>416268830
This. If you have randos regularly joining off you then please as a common courtesy just go on orange.

>>416268783
dumb people should be gatekept instead of helped

>>416268734
Are you really stupid enough not to recognize regulars? If you've been here for a bit then you can obviously tell who's new and who's not.

>>416269024
No single person can recognize every single person that comes around here, especially when you consider different timezones. I have been around for a few years but there will still be people who don't recognize me. There are hundreds of people here.
>>416268954
Okay cool, namedrop and we'll gatekeep you for being a retard.

I will proceed to ignore all of this and host my instance in a friends+ with a code for the door posted in the thread. Any randos send out a vote kick for them and DM me on Discord if you need to.

>>416269108
that's why you have multiple volunteers...

>>416269108
You have multiple volunteers and vet the ones that only no one recognizes. That drastically lowers the amount of people that need to be vetted. In a room of any given 80 people I doubt that a handful of regulars wouldn't be able to pick out the newfags.

>>416268734
tbf yuki himself has been here for like 4 fucking years. i'm pretty sure he can recognize the majority of people here and only has to vet like 1 or 2. he can even ask other regulars from other timezones to see if they recognize them or not in his little event discord

>>416268734
Get a few volunteers that know a lot of people, that way they only have to vet a few people max.
If they have a good head on their shoulders they probably also recognize persistent problematic randos, like the VP niggas or Psyanic's orbiters.

just make the event ORANGE only. other groups like VP used to demand you to be RED only to get in

>>416269576
Cringe as fuck

>>416269576
you'd know, VP refugee

>>416269576
kys VP fag

>>416269576
This is honestly the most elegant solution. Orange only and deny access to EVERYONE who isn't orange

>>416269218
>>416269337
Okay, so now every single kick requires all the jannies to convene for a meeting.
>hey do you know if X is a rando
>uhm ive never heard of him go ask janny #3
>uhhhhh that name sounds kinda familiar let me go find them and see
>yeah i think they're a rando kick them i guess
retardedly inefficient

>>416269670
At that point you might as well have group instances or a code. If everyone is on orange no one has any clue what instances are up, how many people are in them, or where everyone is.
Just get instance owners that can actually kick people it's not that hard please

>>416269775
Works surprisingly well, the flood of randos isn't THAT big.

>>416269775
Yes and there would have to do it maybe 3 or 4 times. I will volunteer and I wouldn't mind.

>>416269142
Forgot your image king

>>416269879
>>416269943
The real issue is randos letting more randos in. If you don't stem the flow then you have them just overtaking the event like what happened last time in NA.

I don't remember EU having many randos last time and the ones that did wander in were dealt with quickly enough. I feel like with the code we'd even stop those randos accidentally joining. If any do managed to wander in and somehow get through the code then just follow >>416269142
Yall are autistic and taking this too far

RANDOS AREN'T THE REAL ISSUE. THE PROBLEM IS THE PEOPLE LETTING THE RANDOS IN THE FIRST PLACE

>>416270104
most of the randos who joined sat idle in spawn and just took up slots/had more randos join off of them, the code won't even fix that
the spawn should be hostile in some way so that they fuck off

>>416270104
I'm glad that things are rainbows and sunshine over in ye olde worlde but the most recent NA friend by friends have been pretty fucked up with randos

Going on Orange really is the best solution. Don't need any codes or BS if they can't join in the first place.

frens

>>416270194
Might as well make a group then. At least with groups you can see Group-only instances.

>>416270172
Then just vote kick and tell the host. I refer you to >>416269142

>>416269824
They have the thread link you mongoloid.
And enforcing red status sounds like the best idea, that or groups. Plenty of time to join a speed dating group.

>>416270302
I'm just glad vote kick requests are working again.
It wasn't working for the mid-year Friend by Friend iirc

>>416270190
Then get better and more proactive hosts instead of people who just don't care or people who are too drunk to even speak. You guys have the biggest population out of anyone and you can't find 3 people that fit the bill?

>>416270471
No, as a matter of fact we cannot find 3 people with an encyclopedic knowledge of every known non-rando who are willing to forgo their personal participation in events and instead spend the 6+ hour duration playing janny for multiple instances of 80 people

>>416270190
That's a deeper-rooted issue in your culture. A lot of NA's don't initiate votekicks fast enough on randos, a lot will outright say they always vote "no" on any votekicks, and instance owners are rarely around to kick randos.
At that point any automated countermeasure is just a bandaid on the real problem.

>>416270753
Skill issue.

>>416269576
Honestly, I think red is a good idea
>Host can scan the in-room list to see who isn't red
>Can only join via link in thread

>>416271035
This makes moving between instances and seeing who's where practically impossible. If everyone is forced to be on red people will just leave and make their own instances without those requirements.

My policy is always kick first ask questions later. If you were wrongfully kicked then please complain in the thread.

>Put code on the door to enter
>Randos gather at spawn and start shitting up the place there
>Instance owners still won't bother sweeping the spawn every so often to kick them
>Instance fills up with half being randos and vrg people not being able to join
Calling it right now.

>>416271035
What's the point? Just make it private at that point.

>>416271097
then they are free to make their own rando spin off instances

>>416271097
No I would stay because I know that no one is leaking randos in and why would I leave a rando-free instance?
>>416271169
actually a great idea

>>416271178
Hope you enjoy talking to the same 5 people because no one knows where the fuck you are and everyone just joins on the open instances instead.
Codes aren't already the best way to handle this but then you people go ahead and suggest the worst alternatives I can think of. I'm glad none of you are in charge of hosting events because jesus christ.

>>416271115
>get kicked by autistic instance leader because they don't recognize my name from their discord voice chat
>get a message to them communicating that I'm not a rando
>"oh my bad"
>remain banned from the instance for another 59 minutes because you can't rejoin instances you were kicked from

>>416271163
you don't have to call it. what you said has happened plenty of times before

>>416271315
>no one knows where the fuck you are
we're in the instance that has been posted in the thread, retard

>>416271097
you are actually a genius. this is literally self filtering fags who want to talk to randos
>>416271315
i'm sure there's bound to be more than 5 people in the correct instance and each one of them are assured vrg who knows how to use the thread and follow simple instructions

>>416271332
Real solution is to get proactive instance owners instead of whiny retards that are like "NOOO I can't dip out for 5 minutes every so often to kick randos, you're ruining MY enjoyment!!!"
There's literally breaks that instance owners can use as a time to sweep randos but mark my words, as the night progresses in NA they just won't do it.

Can't wait to just drink and chat with bro after bro all night. Autismos need to calm down and relax, if you're seething about a rando in the instance just do >>416269142

Gonna make a friends+ instance not posted in thread, and not kick any randos except desktoppers because I hate them.
I'm taking one for the team.

>>416271097
Please make your own spin-off event with all your randos and keep them out of the official one. I beg of you.

>>416271391
"The" instance? Which of the 3-4? You can't fit that many people in an instance with a hardcap of 64 so multiple instances are a guarantee.
So you set up like 3 join links in the thread and post them. It's gonna get buried under the other spam here and hard to find. You're gonna spend the entire event running around like a madman ensuring people are on Red status. Eventually someone will join that isn't on red and the jig is up.
Of course, assuming people will bother with that and not just join on the open Friends+ instances that people are hosting instead, because they think your requirements are gay and the community has no real leaders so anyone can do it.

>>416271629
>buried under the other spam here and hard to find
Perfect! Now we can filter retards who don't know how to Ctrl+F too.

>>416271787
Enjoy talking to your 2 friends over and over, anon. I'll be in a rando-free instance where I just walk into the door and talk to the newfriends and people I don't see often.
Seriously some of you guys are retarded. The join code is probably the least-retarded idea I have seen so far. At this point just turn on the code if randos start being spotted and turn it off when it's all clear.
If instance owners won't run around and sacrifice their time to kick randos, what makes you think they'll run around nonstop screaming at people to go on Red status? That's going to be literally a fulltime job unless your instance is devoid of people.

>>416271629
I'm going to make a shitlist of people who are opening the Friends+ instances and have them blacklisted from future events.

>>416272016
You won't do shit. Seethe, tranny. Have fun not talking to people because people keep getting off red status and you have to chase them down.

>>416272016
With what authority. You sound delusional anon

>>416272076
;)

>>416272012
lmao. enjoy your rando infested instance while i'll be in the official one with all the actual vrg people

>>416272016
>publicly seethe and demand that several people are blacklisted because they ignored leaderfags and did their own thing
>they don't get blacklisted
>everyone just ignores you
>your credibility is forever shot
>you will always be remembered as the guy that had a melty over people ignoring leaderfags
Lol, do it. You don't have as much clout as you think.
This is all LARP anyway because the red status thing isn't going to happen. Forcing everyone to always be on red status is a lost cause because you CAN'T force it. The event will just have a code and that's it. Die mad about it.

>>416264917
If you're going to experiment then at least try temporary groups. It's a brand new feature that hasn't been used here yet. If it doesn't work then just go back to codes. Like you said, we tried codes before and it only works some of the time. Just make a group now and see how many people join it before the actual event.

>>416272260
>official
>vrg
You have to go back.

If we ban /trash/fags that will solve 99% of the rando problem. Just saying.
Not like we'd be missing anything of value.

>>416272260
lol. keep coping with your increasingly puritain definitions of what counts as vrg, meanwhile 90% of real vrg won't even see your crying because they just join off of people without looking at the thread.

>>416272351
>implying i'm going to seethe
on the otherhand everyone will see who's the shitter making the friends+ instance. if it weren't for the people making and organizing the event then you wouldn't have shit. let's see if your friends+ instance maker has enough clout to get people into their spinoff instance

>>416272387
Hmmmm I'm going to ask the other members of SOS and see what they think about this then. No promises but groups are a very contentious thing and may very well be the same snake oil that got us the discord faggotry that perpetrates us now.
Remember that the first discord was shilled to us as "only for off-topic" but actually ended up sucking posts, attention and friends away from the thread.

>>416272351
Well it's pretty obvious that you're not going to be the one to make the offshoot instance.

>>416272631
I am all the members of SOS and I say groups are gay and faggot

>>416272631
Groups only exist in VRC, discords do not.
Also
>Ask the other SOS members
Lol
Lmaooo

>>416272603
>on the otherhand everyone will see who's the shitter making the friends+ instance.
And? 90% of people won't care. This is 4chan, leaderfaggotry is seen as a necessary evil. The moment you try to abuse it people will just ignore it.
>>416272631
Groups are a bad idea, they're too closed off and the instance lists don't work properly yet. Members show up as being in a private world and there's no overview of where everyone is.
You should save groups for when VRChat develops them more. Maybe next august?

>>416272631
I personally trust you to make the group and delete it after it's over. As long as you name the group something like "VALENTINE'S FOR 2023" or something like so it's clear that it's only for the event and everyone knows that it will be gone once it's done.

groups are pretty much the equivalent of vg guilds in other generals

>>416272631
fuck it make the event group burn it all down

>>416273040
>implying the place isn't already burning after the discord
Don't lie to me anon. You're in the vrg discord aren't you?

good graphics cards cost so much bros...

>>416272631
I tried out group instances to see how they would work and I don't think they're a good fit for friend by friend at all.
First of all, you can't see which people are in which instance, making it hard to move to a more desirable instance (which people do a lot during the event).
Second, there is no instance owner, the "owner" is just the group. This means that only pre-selected "moderators" can moderate instances. The person who created the instance can't even do it.
So if these moderators are absent, then there is no way to kick problematic people, randos or the underaged who may find their way in.
This also creates drama because then you would have to "select" moderators yourself. I recall you saying you didn't want to do this.
And finally, instances seem to stick around in the list for about 30 minutes right now even if they're empty. This means a malicious user or a troll can just spam-create new instances, clog up the list and push the "real" instance way down.
The group instance list says it's sorted by "Total members", but it seems to be sorted by date created instead. Pic related, the total member count seems to be broken and always shows up as 0 people.

tl;dr: don't do this.

>>416272631
>>416273040
>>416272887
>>416272772
>>416272735
>>416273616
So far from SOS and specially those who are helping the event hosting and map making wise "No groups" is winning.
Just a simple chat + thread hint with the host checking out vote kick requests.

And I guess even from anon's reply most just want it simple rather than groups.

>>416272631
hey its me haruhi and i say u should not make groups

>>416273616
just make like 100 confirmed vrgers mods then you wouldn't have this issue

>>416273652
Honestly I don't even know if the code is necessary.
You should definitely keep the keypad and put it in as an option for the instance owner to turn on/off at will, but I feel like the keypad can be turned off for most of the time (especially during EU).

>>416273817
>sneak into the mod list
>start kicking people left/right, including other moderators
>no one knows who's doing it because it could be any of the 100 people
>leave and say "hey I got kicked!!!" to deflect suspicion

>>416273616
I mean these "moderators" are pretty much the fellers who are saying they are willing to volunteer. Instance hosts are pretty much the equivalent to the moderators but you only have 1. With selected moderators you can have way more and you can mod them once the other mods log off. It sounds great to me.

>>416273717
As you wish my God.

>>416273616
You can see who's in which instance as per usual on the friends list. But regardless that's not what this event is about its about not knowing who you're gonna get matched up with.
Having multiple moderators is a positive actually though. It allows for less burden on one person and allows the host to swap in and out with other hosts. If the singular host leaves then you have the same problem as the one posed. With more moderators the problem is less of an issue. Hosts are chosen so why would it be more drama for a few more moderators to be chosen?

>>416273951
The problem is that these mods are going to be pre-selected by one single person. At that point you might as well go with the idea of baking a list of moderators into the map with Udon and giving them the power to jail randos.

>>416273245
You'll be mostly limited by the CPU anyways if you're playing vrchat.

>>416273652
I say try it for this one event and if it doesn't work then go back.

>>416273821
What is the benefit of disabling the keypad other than to make it easier for randos to enter?

>>416273616
>So if these moderators are absent, then there is no way to kick problematic people, randos or the underaged who may find their way in.
But the instance owner is pretty much a moderator already and once they leave then what you said will happen.

>>416274123
To make it easy for my rando friends to enter at the start and then i can close it later

>>416274096
You know how painful it is to switch to a different approach mid-event if it turns out there's some major problem? Especially for an event that's only like once or maybe twice a year at most?
>>416274123
The odd person who actively browses 4chan but doesn't browse this thread or doesn't browse it often enough to know about the code? Or if the code is only posted like a few hours before the event? I guess that latter one could be solved by just putting the banner above the keypad that tells you you can find it on the vrg thread.

>>416274068
The instance owners are going to be pre-selected by one single person. Have you not been to a vrg event before?

>>416274224
No, because if the instance owners pass out, have to leave, or their internet/PC dies or whatever people can just make their own instance instead and then that instance is guaranteed to have a moderator.
Pre-assigning a group of moderators that's set in stone is the issue because that group of people is going to be a single point of failure.

Anyone bitching is free to stand at spawn working for free as a jannie, position is open and all you have to do is be at spawn during the event, and initiate vote kicks on randos.
No need for more bitching about this, position is open!
>>416273883
King

>>416274301
>don't browse the thread enough
>see all my friends in FbF
>see a keypad
>guess i should go to the thread and get the code now
What's the problem?

>>416274374
I have been to enough events to have witnessed an instance owner dying and someone else taking over. If we pre-select 6 people and none of them are on, you're just fucked.
Personally I'd rather just not join any groups, not even for an event. But maybe that's just me.
>>416274491
I expect to initiate a lot of votekicks and for only a third of them to pass. Last time during the NA event we couldn't even get rid of an underaged quest user in a TDA glowie avatar. I had to pull out my quest crasher.

>>416274491
see
>>416266315 >>416266316 >>416266402
If you make me a mod or the instance owner then I won't mind

>>416274301
If there's a keypad that tells a 4channer to get the code from the thread in the world you'd think they'd be competent enough to ctrl+f and grab it.

>>416274673
If the votekick don't pass, then they probably arent a rando, or vrg just don't care.
Make ur own instance my man.

>>416274301
Do you really want people who aren't willing to open the thread to attend a thread event to be there in the first place?

>>416274643
Only the instance creator can kick people from friends+ worlds. If that single person leaves then the instance is fucked. Having multiple group moderators is more beneficial.
Honestly group+ instances when

>>416274850
Whatever it's fine, I'm semi-convinced. Go with the code approach. Just no groups.

>all this bitching over randos

just get a good instance host like EU New years

>>416274879
>Honestly group+ instances when
Group+ when indeed. That would solve just about every issue we have with groups and with instance owners not being around.
I would make a canny for it but it would just get ignored anyway lol

>>416274903
fuck off. no one cares if you come or not

>>416274963
The NAs were also good at new years, I don't think I really saw any randos there.
The problem is that friend by friend isn't as conducive to kicking randos because you're separated into separate rooms.
t. said instance host

>>416273005
This. All the other "social" game generals on /vg/ already have guilds. wowg xivg osrsg already have their equivalent of "groups"

>>416274963
Also not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying that it's going to take a lot more time and effort to get it done, and if enough randos take hold it will be a neverending battle. The instance owners probably want to actually talk to people and participate in the event too, but you can't talk AND patrol for randos at the same time like you can at New Years'.

>>416275151
All the gacha game generals also have guilds or clans or whatever they call it. It's actually strange that we don't have one here even after all these years.

>>416275269
because there's no gameplay to use guilds for, groups were only added last year, and we live in a bucket crab society

>>416275217
>but you can't talk AND patrol for randos at the same time like you can at New Years'.
What if I place the Find your Friends prefab only for the Host and they can teleport to anyone?
I'll try to reverse engineer it so it teleports people to the host instead of the other way around but my UDONfu is only expert tier rather than master or in the case of Anime Hiipo GRAND UDON WIZARD.

>>416275269
That's because groups are a very recent addition and right now it's not quite as developed as those guild systems are which doesn't help. I foresee groups being used in the future but I really don't think we can switch to Group instances until we get Group+.
VRChat is a bit of a different beast than an MMO.

Yes, now we have guilds aka groups. Use that function.
Also don't call it "vrg" like some dumb fucking newfag troon.

>>416275383
>>416274879
>>416274980
the fuck is group+?

>>416275381
If you teleport to someone in a room, chances are the room isn't loaded or enabled for the instance owner and they would fall through the floor. Unless you leave the colliders always enabled for all rooms, that is. That could be viable.
It's definitely possible to teleport others towards you, but it would be a lot more effort.

>>416275470
Group instances that can be moderated by group moderators but can also be joined by people not in the group

>>416275480
>If you teleport to someone in a room, chances are the room isn't loaded or enabled for the instance owner and they would fall through the floor.
Daijobou it's coded separately. It's an on-enter trigger if you are near one of the rooms to load it.
So you won't fall through the floor.

>>416275470
Groups but your friends not in the group can join in if they want.

>>416275470
Basically:
- Instance is owned by the "group" and all the group's moderators can kick people
- Anyone can join on the instance if they are either in the group, or if a friend of them is in there
- The instance will show up in the group instance list so it's easy to find even if you have no one friended
Basically, it's a Friends+ instance but the group moderators have moderation powers.
The only issue is that you need influxes of new moderators that won't abuse their power. That might be literally impossible. The instance creator currently doesn't get moderation powers if they make it a group instance. I can also foresee the group being very NA-centric leaving no real moderators for EU instances.

>>416275520
Regular group instances are already moderated by group moderators. "Group+" would just be groups that can also be joined by people not in the group.

>>416275640
Also another issue is that we don't actually have Group+ instances yet and we might never get them
Friends+ with good instance owners is currently the best solution and this has worked for years. It's pretty straightforward to herd people into a new instance or start votekicks if undesirables or underaged join.

>>416275640
How do guilds in the other generals do it?

>>416275706
Yes thanks for repeating exactly what I said

>>416275835
Those are videogames, we are basically a social chatroom 90% of the time.

>>416275640
What the fuck? This sounds great. Why aren't we using them now?

>>416275923
xivgtranny here. I can absolutely confirm that xiv is a social chatroom 90% of the time and NOT a videogame

>>416275964
My bad, I don't think I explained this quite correctly
This is the ideal of how it WOULD work. The problem is that we don't have this (yet). I don't know if we'll ever get them. I might make a canny post, but it will probably get ignored if I make it because I'm not exactly in good standing with the developers (they've had some melties).
What we have right now is just Group instances, where you MUST be in the group to join. This creates a barrier for newfriends and also creates a barrier for people who browse 4chan but don't browse this thread.

>>416275964
Anon that's the "wishlist"

>>416276079
Do we really want to end up like xivg though?

>>416271163
just make the spawn a muted zone. What are randos gonna do there, just sit and look at each other? Surely they would leave. This would also solve someone standing in spawn telling people the code.

>>416275964
Because they don't exist
VRC added group and then made them as useful as red-only instances.

>>416276180
oooh actually a good idea for once

>>416276180
Holy shit are you a genius?

>>416276180
This would be a good idea but the mute zone would have to be toggle-able for the instance owner and you would have to double-triple check that it won't break and accidentally mute people in the main area.
I can only imagine how painful getting a group picture at spawn would be if everyone is muted.

>>416276180
Holy shit, this is a good idea.

>>416276180
This might be a bit too much. I have actually made friends just chilling at spawn and taking a break for a bit. I don't want to be forced to talk inside a zone where you're also forcibly teleported into a 1-on-1 room when I just want to take a break.

>>416276180
Not a bad idea but only after the event has started since people would want to be able to talk in the 15min it takes to start the event too.
But also these audio zones can be pretty buggy and cause issues sometimes

>>416276315
Nigga fuck the group picture.
>>416276382
t. Snitch

>>416276315
just make it so the main zone is behind the code. problem solved

>>416276439
In that case we need a lounge zone where we can just talk without getting matched. I'm going to be in there for 12 hours and want to just take a 30-minute break sometimes.

>>416276439
Actually on the other hand >>416276382 has a point. Sometimes I just want to chill and take a break from the 5 minute match ups in the lobby. Although if you want to do that you could run in and out of the lobby when the matches happen I guess

>>416274963
>just get a good instance host like EU New years
I wouldnt know if it was good or not because i missed new years after trying to get in for 30 minutes...

>>416276485
welp that solves everything then. you can have your cake, take your picture, chat in your main area without being teleported, and eat it too

>>416276603
That's gonna be aids especially if i want to take my headset off for a piss or something
Either don't make the mute-zone, or make an area behind the code-gated door where you can sit without getting matched.

>>416276180
>>416276382
Will need a lot of testing
1) Audio zone mute + Lobby + Matching Area
2) Pens are disabled by default until you go through the passworded area
This should make it air tight right?

The door that blocks new loaders are inbetween the spawn area and the lobby area
So three rooms system

Don't worry I just solved everything

>>416276991
>>416276981
this is probably the best system yeah
just test it very thoroughly. i'm going to punch a wall if i get teleported to a room, pass through the spawn mute zone while my remote networked body flies to the new room and be muted without knowing it

>>416276981
>Will need a lot of testing
you're just adding 1 room with a "Enable Pens" trigger when you enter the code in

>they don't know i'm just going to bring my avatar pens or a world object

>>416276991
Better yet, make the opening area some bullshit japanese to throw the randoms off and make them think it's a bunch of nips that hate them now.

>>416276991
fixed it for you anon

I will go to the valentines dance with the first person that asks me
No one has asked me so far

>>416277328
That will actually be funny if it's just a keypad and on top of it is some nonsensical shit in japanese but it takes a code from here.

>>416276991
no pens allowed in map either

avatar hider will cause pens from avatars to not render due to distance

the perfection solution

>>416277096
>i'm going to punch a wall if i get teleported to a room, pass through the spawn mute zone while my remote networked body flies to the new room and be muted without knowing it
I know that feel very much. Hence why this needs a massive test wave that probably has no time now before the event to be implemented.
Will see. Might be a good idea for the next one

Prioritizing fixing all the UDON code that got borked from the VRchat Creator Companion Transfer and incorporating the new rooms

>>416276991
Yeah probably the best way

>>416277498
>Prioritizing fixing all the UDON code that got borked from the VRchat Creator Companion Transfer
Aw man, they claimed another victim.
Personally I don't know if it's worth transferring existing projects to VCC, I felt it was easier to just make a new one and keep using older ones as they are.

The code by itself is already good, we just need the instance owner to take those 5 minutes during break time and go clear out spawn from all the randos that stuck around. The mute zone is a nice idea for next time. But who knows, maybe by next time we'll have a better solution already.

>>416277457
Yes, that be fun as hell.

>>416277457
>>416277637
Nah, we still need the banner that says "code is in vrg thread". You don't want to make it TOO hostile to actual thread-goers who might be either retarded, out of the loop or very tired.

>>416277740
>thread-goers who might be either retarded, out of the loop or very tired.
I say fuck them.

>>416277740
We don't need that, if you are vrg, you know where to look.

>>416277740
lulz priority over feefees

>>416277949
>>416278076
Anon please be nice

>>416278076
There's always a couple oldfags joining on bigger events like these. I don't see how a banner that says "code in thread" is a big deal. It will mean literally nothing to randos anyway.
The point is to keep randos out, not to mess with people to get a cheap laugh.

>>416278217
How will these couple of oldfags even know about the event in the first place? That's right. THE THREAD. WHICH THEY WILL CHECK. AND SEE THE CODE

>>416278278
It's a Friends+ instance
That's why it's good to make it friends+
People who you have friended can see where you are

>>416276180
oh that's smart

>>416277740
>>416278217
we dont need a banner for coded dance hours and we don't need one for this, fuck off rando-lover

>>416278501
but how would the oldfag know to come back for the event if it weren't for them seeing it in the thread in the first place?

>>416278278
>>416278691
Word of mouth.
>play videogames with oldfag that only logs in every couple of months
>"hey there's this fun event going on, how about you join us and catch up with some people you haven't spoken with in a while?"
>"sure that sounds fun"
>get to door
>"wait, they didn't mention a code. or did they, and i just forgot? never mind, i'll go back to my flat games"
alternatively:
>"woah a lot of my old vrg friends are in a big event instance, maybe I'll pop in and say hi"
>"oh, never mind I guess"
I guess you wouldn't understand if you don't have any actual friends.

we should be trying to actively welcome anyone that browses 4chan and actively repelling anyone that doesn't. a sign that says "check the thread" isn't going to let in any more randos, so what's the problem with having it there? other than some seething tranny that's probably going to tell the code to their discord friends anyway?
personally i joined on the idol event and was stuck at spawn for a bit until my stoned ass finally remembered that the code is in the thread. then i had to scroll past 500 jelly schizoposts to find it because CTRL+F for "idol" or "event" didn't turn up anything useful.

>>416278691
By happenstance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-p8bOoFlPo

>>416278775
>"hey there's this fun event going on, how about you join us and catch up with some people you haven't spoken with in a while?"
>"btw it's coded and you can find it in the thread"

>>416277740
I wouldn't say vrg since that gives it away from a Google search. Just say thread. Although I'd say nothing, if people have missed that there's going to be a code in the thread when it's been discussed so much like this then they're clearly not actually from here

>>416277740
just say "code in thread", skip the vrg.

>>416278930
unironically this. people making up all these wild "WHAT IF" scenarios that some oldfag will miss all the cues for getting into a event

>>416278930
>>416278971
>just say the thread
That's also fine by me.
I don't know why people get so riled up at a small sign that just says "the thread". Half the people angry over it are probably discord troons anyway patting themselves on the back while DM'ing the code to their own spoonfed friends.

>>416279053
people being too obsessed with gatekeeping. when there's nothing to gatekeep they push the boundaries further and start saying "uhm actually this active 4chan reader missed this one code post in the mess of jelly schizoposts so clearly he doesn't deserve to be here"

>>416278930
We want 4chan people too though not just specifically /vrg/ right?

>>416279224
and how many 4chan but NOT vrg friends do you actually have?

>>416279224
are you planning on advertising this event in /v/ or something

>no live links in my timezone again on a friday night

it's ogre

>>416279224
That's basically my line of thinking by saying "/vrg/ thread". But apparently this is a contentious issue nowadays among people who don't understand that we used to welcome any 4channers, not just "only 4channers who browse this specific tiny part of the entire website".
That's what you get with spoonfeeding /trash/ randos who think this is some sort of gated community and not just a 4chan community of basketweavers.
>>416279298
I met about 10 of them at the new years event, and that's just the ones I talked to.

>>416278775
>then i had to scroll past 500
Right don't worry the code will be replied on the OP of the current thread on the day of the event so if you have 4chanX you should be able to easily find it as a reply

>>416279224
I mean they might as well join vrg if they're going to be attending an event specifically made for vrg people to talk to each other. Best to start by checking the thread...

>>416279224
How would a 4channer not from vrg wander into a vrg event without knowing it was a vrg event?

>>416279224
no? this is a vrg event

>>416279383
Where you from fren?

>>416279395
you met 10 of your 4chan non-vrg friends during the new years event?

>>416279383
there was one person watching star trek yesterday, you missed the most active SEA night of the week

>>416279224
I would say yes, and that's why I advocate for the sign to say "check the /vrg/ thread".
Googling "vrg" brings up completely unrelated results and googling "/vrg/" just brings up the /vg/ board which, let me tell you, is going to be pretty difficult to search for this particular thread for 1 particular post with a specific code in it.
No rando is going to be that persistent and some people need to get over themselves.

>>416279224
If you are for some reason posting about the event on other boards then just include the passcode in your shill post

If you are discussing a hypothetical "what if a random person playing vrchat joins the world randomly and they just happen to be from 4chan" then I would say that is not an occurrence worth planning around

All this drama and I know that I'm not even going.

>>416279409
Well they have to specifically add someone from vrg but have no knowledge of the thread at all and not know their friend is from vrg either and only found out about the event by seeing his friend there by pure coincidence and decide to join.

>>416279654
I said I met 10 people at the new years event that browsed 4chan but didn't know about /vrg/, yes. They were allowed to stay, as usual. They were pretty fun to talk to.
It's going to be rare, but it WILL happen at a bigger event and it's a fantastic way to get worthwhile newfriends in that aren't just spoonfed trashfags.

>>416279687
I was at uni ;(
>>416279557
SEA, i'm the new guy who started browsing 4chan from 2014

>>416279409
>>416279791
>>416279702
That's what I'm saying. It sounds sketchy as fuck.

>>416279832
10(TEN) people from 4chan ALL at a vrg event but NOT know about vrg? WHAT THE FUCK?

>>416279872
>SEA
We have a valheim VR session tomorrow 5 hrs earlier from now (saturday night)

And a SEA exploration this coming sunday night

>>416279832
Did you ask how exactly did they find out about the new years event?

>>416279791
You're acting like this is a rare occurrence when it isn't. We had several at new years, I should know because I got several people asking me to interrogate them to make sure they're not a rando.
>>416280041
New Years had like 120 people in the instances during EU hours and 3 full instances during NA (around 200 people total probably). That's what happens when you pull in a lot of people, especially because the people here are more likely to have friends that browse 4chan even if they don't browse /vrg/ specifically. It's a selection bias. The types of people I hang around with outside of /vrg/ also have a fair amount of 4chan users because those are the type of people I associate with.

>>416280108
sunday night in america is basically morning-afternoon here in singapore

>>416280221
I'm in SEA dumdum I'm taking about sunday night SEA (GMT+10)

>>416280172
>rando joins
>hey u from 4chan
>uhh yea totally let me in
I'm guessing that's how it went down

>>416280156
They joined off a friend but they were allowed to stay since they did browse boards like /v/ and /a/ (and quite often /ck/)

>>416280261
Probably gotta go back to my uni at that time

>>416280371
the exact time is
Sun - 10:30AM-3:00PM UTC - SEA after hrs heavy exploration

can you double check if you can?

>>416280270
It was more like
>WHAT BOARDS DO YOU BROWSE

>WHAT DO YOU LIKE ABOUT THOSE BOARDS

>>416280270
They were asked what boards they browsed and kicked if they couldn't answer the question
Some answered /r/4chan or /r/pics, we had a laugh, talked about /v/ for a bit and then went off to talk to other people
It was a very low bar to clear but a lot of randos died that night

>>416280446
that's around 6pm, which should be okayish i think

>>416279832
How many of these 10 people showed up again?

>>416280782
Nice. Looking forward to seeing you anon!

>>416279872
Welcome newfren. Sadly your options for the night are try and host an instance yourself (you'll probably be disappointed by the turnout), stay up until EUs get on later but it won't be for a while, or go to bed early and wake up and join the late NAs

duki moment kek

I am using a quest 2 airlink with my pc and sometimes when im playing something like beatsaber the middle area you are supposed to stand will be too close to the walls the quest 2 makes. Is there a way to force steam VR to move where it thinks the center point is?

Why does this group sperg so hard about randos?

None of the 4chan groups I hang with have this problem. And they have fewer randos than this group does. In most other 4chan groups, people will interact with randos and not sperg out but will very quickly shun them when they do something that makes it obvious they don't fit in. This system works perfectly fine.
But here, people nuclear sperg when they see randos. They complain about how nothing is being done. They bitch at everyone around them about randos get in. They try create votekicking pyramids. They start demanding groups. Why does this group do that? Is it just powergrabbers trying to get more control? I really don't get it. It seems like it always leads to legitimate newfriends being kicked or scared away. The constant negativity and bitching is a mood killer as well.

>>416268954
anon I don't consider myself to be dumb but I have a really hard time following abrupt subject changes if context isn't established

>>416282794
its not about randos its about control these people kicked j-man insisting he was a rando once

>>416282712
just re-centre by holding down the right system button

Any interest in a Hyperdash lobby today?

>>416281778
>>416281003
aight sure everyone come on in:
https://vrch.at/r2sggeck

>>416282794
They can come in through VRC. That's the main reason. Other groups can just do server control.

>>416283608
I would feel more sorry for you if you weren't kicked out for doxing people. As it stands right now, you're just reaping what you sow.

>>416283608
Uh oh the stinky crinkly diaper lover is back again.
Careful, he might shit his pampies!!!

Do the japanese approach.
Do some trivia questions on what was posted on the thread.
If you ain't a rando you wouldn't have any problems.

>>416283374
Oh I'm on overtime right now I'll catch you on the explore on sunday though.
Hope you get some nice very late SEA frens or early EU right now

>>416282794
the is essentially vrchat general and vrchat runs like shit and has limited slots for events etc. when there are randos amongus, you feel it a lot more than say, randos in your wow guild. just by existing with a shit model you will irritate people. the game is also 13+ with a crap load of kids with quests. and multiple schizos who will do everything in their power to confirm their biases about grooming etc.
Still the bar for entry is pretty low, and the people who will kick even randos are the minority. only a handful.

>>416283740
You literally made that up, while spamming someones doxx. Do you not see what a hypocrite you are, lying about others constantly?
Burn in hell. You are reaping what you sow with rando hell, I spoon fed them all personally. I wouldn't have it any other way.

>>416283887
Unnecessarily difficult for everyone involved, including the people who keep having to make new trivia questions, possibly about stuff that only goes on during their own timezone.
Instance owners kicking people and votekicks have both worked for years. In this particular event it might not work as well without some extra tooling, because everyone is segregated into different rooms. That's why for this specific event we need extra tooling or extra measures, whether that's a keypad with a code or an instance owner with the ability to more freely interrogate people.
Trivia questions aren't the way to go. Too many issues in such a large community.

>>416284046
there aren't enough non randos to even have this be an issue the vast majority of you have always been spoon fed randos, for years, it's how this place gets maximum amount of people too groom and replace old broken toys

>>416284164
>Instance owners kicking people and votekicks have both worked for years
and that's why there's randos everywhere in meetups right

>>416282794
>None of the 4chan groups I hang with have this problem. And they have fewer randos than this group does.
you sort of answered your own question didnt you?

>>416284290
>randos everywhere in meetups
I can only speak for EU, but we don't have too many randos. The ones we do get are dealt with pretty quickly, even if some of the more fringe members will whine and complain about "their friend being kicked".
When I visit NA I sometimes see a rando, but they're gone pretty quick depending on who's hosting the instance. The real issue is events because of how many people they attract, at that point you just need an instance owner who's on top of their game.

>>416283196
Depends on when it is, but I'm down.

>>416284714
1900 utc?

Kicking randos are like trying to kick out refugees.
They don't work and will always invoke melties from the one that brought in the rando
Preventitive measures will always be the most ideal solution with any problems in this world.

>>416284850
Seems to work out pretty well most of the time. The real issue is the cultural problem where people just don't care enough about votekicks and see it as an annoyance to dismiss by voting "no" on. As a result the only real barrier we have is instance owners. And if they're slacking it's RIP.
It's been a bit worse lately because votekicks broke with the groups update, that's really the core of the issue.

>>416284850
>and will always invoke melties from the one that brought in the rando
I don't see this as a problem.

>>416284850
I agree with this and would add to it that most attempts to institute things like groups and codes is powergrabbing behavior.

>>416284840
Works for me

>>416285034
This is kind of short-sighted imo
You need to understand that this is a 4chan community and the more that you sperg and try to powergrab to >stop randos, the more people are going to get obstinate and try to bring them in just to be contrarian.

>>416285034
Even if you don't see it as a problem, it is because of the social nature of vrc.
Melty from a person will create a chain reaction of negativity throughout the instance and since many people know each other.
Fundamental problem is obviously the fag who brings the rando but good luck on kicking someone who isn't a "rando".

>>416284959
Also a lot of people don't seem to recognize that randos are much like an infection. You might say "one rando is not a big deal", but they will often get their own rando friends joining on them, and then the transmission vector just gets bigger and bigger as there are more people for randos to join on. And then there's too many for you to have a votekick majority.
You have to be proactive in stamping it out. And if you do kick a rando... sometimes it pays off to hang out around spawn and kick their friends that they may have dragged in behind them. New Years' dragged in a basically 2-hour long chain reaction of randos, until we eventually stamped them out and finally reached the hardcap with just vrg folks, preventing more randos from joining.
So the next time someone like thicc grey wolf joins, don't spend too long laughing at them and consider just kicking on sight instead.
>>416285320
No one said anything about powergrabbing, but with the way votekicks work right now and with not enough people willing to vote yes before it's too late, you need an instance owner. Can be just about anyone. Doesn't mean i LIKE that we have to do that, but we have to do that.
Groups and keypad codes are both cancerous though, especially groups. Fuck that shit.

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>>416285156
I understand group being power grabbing but how is codes posted on the thread power grabbing?

>>416287634
Idk if power grabbing is the right word, but it definitely gets people excited to gatekeep more, as evident by the small minority who got upset at the idea of adding a sign above the keypad that says "code in thread"

>>416287809
what's wrong with gatekeeping?

why did this discussion even warrant 500+ posts? no one questioned a code system when dance hours did it and that was largely a successful rando deterrent (although there were still some fags spoonfeeding the code at the door)

>>416287809
gatekeeping is good

>>416288227
namedrop spoonfeeders

>>416288010
>>416288323
Nothing wrong with it, gatekeeping is necessary.
But it's clear that some people just want to pile on gatekeeping for the sake of gatekeeping, and not actually to keep randos out or to preserve the health of their community.
You see it sometimes when you see a post like "they're not real vrg, they (X unrelated thing) so they don't belong here"
Also for claritys sake i was not the anon that said codes are powergrabbing.

>>416288010
NTA but there are a few issues with aggressive gatekeeping.
One is that the person doing the gatekeeping is the one that gets to enforce their idea of what a rando is.
Another is that it discourages legitimate newfriends from the thread from showing up to stuff, some people are too shy to want to subject themselves to really stringent gatekeeping and interrogation.

>>416288430
>One is that the person doing the gatekeeping is the one that gets to enforce their idea of what a rando is.
>Another is that it discourages legitimate newfriends from the thread from showing up to stuff, some people are too shy to want to subject themselves to really stringent gatekeeping and interrogation.
neither of these apply to the code alternative

>>416288227
It's funny that dance hours were gatekept when dances today are STILL a major influx of randos and for vrg-adjacent wannabe DJ's to try and gather more clout. That is then excused with "it's not a vrg event even though I invited my entire vrg friends list, stop trying to play jannie in my instance reeee".
I don't mind the change of heart but it feels disingenuous. Besides, a dance event is like the ONE event where an instance owner can sweep up randos like nobody's business without the need for a code.

>>416288570
The club piss faggots have mostly fucked off but otherwise agreed

You guys really fundamentally misunderstand the issue. The actual reason behind the rando infestation is really the same issue that plagues the community in a number of other aspects as well.

As yourself: what is the biggest vector for randos? How are they getting in?
They're not just randomly joining in from wherever, are they? They're joining off of their friends from vrg-adjacent groups. These people are members of the community who really no longer care to gatekeep.
I think that most people are at least somewhat aware of this. This seems to be where most of you stop thinking though, and you don't stop to ask yourself why people feel this way. You get mad, yell at the people in question, call them discord trannies etc, but really never make an effort to understand why people feel this way. It's an interaction I've observed many times.
So why do people feel this way?
It's because of the excessive negativity and hostility that you see in this community. Usually you'll see one of the aggressive rando police get in the face of someone who is less passionate about it for hanging out with his friends, and the person basically just goes "you know what, fuck you and fuck vrg, I'm going to do my own thing" and they stop making any efforts at gatekeeping.

People here are autistic and abrasive, even for 4chan. If you want to fix the rando problem and a number of other problems, you've got to reduce the level of hostility that's intertwined in the conversation. Right now neither side is listening to what the other side is saying.

>>416289601
biggest vector of randos are people who add randos. in a perfect world you only have vrg friends

>>416289601
People would be less aggressive about it if the randos coming in weren't often children, TDAs, trannies, furries or all of the above

>>416289836
What about people who want to hang out with non-4chan people from time to time?
Not everyone wants to live like you do.
Is this where you call them rando lovers and discord trannies?

This is one of the things that the "other side" frequently complains about. There are a lot of people here who want to tell you what to do or how to act and if you don't comply they start bitching about how you "aren't 4chan enough".

>>416289601
>you should be more welcoming towards randos that others bring in then maybe they'll care about gatekeeping

>>416289601
>Im tired of being mean so I will just let the randos flow through me
what is this brain dead shit take

>>416290258
No, I told you to stop being a cunt to members of the community. A lot of the vectors for randos are people who have been here since 2018 who stopped caring after a number of incidents where people acted like cunts.

>>416290509
>stop being cunts towards people who bring randos and maybe they'll suddenly start caring about something they'd never cared about

>>416289601
>we should stop gatekeeping because it makes people feel bad and they might act out
Lol no, fuck off. Gatekeeping has worked for years.
It's 4chan, get the slightest bit of a spine and a tiny first-time interrogation won't bother you. The biggest pushback I get from kicking randos is always from people who have massive thread melties or people who only considered this place a stepping stool for themselves. Your suggestion is to capitulate to randos, who are often quest users, underaged, furries, or report-happy trannies who will get you banned for saying bad words.
They are a liability in so many ways, and they must be kept out. Right now, the best solution to that is trying to see if someone browses 4chan and kicking them if they don't.
>>416290126
>What about people who want to hang out with non-4chan people from time to time?
Totally fine... in a non-vrg instance. But if you're the sort who gets A LOT of non-vrg friends or orbiters joining on you, consider going on orange status.
>>416290509
This is such backwards logic. "Um actually pushback against randos creates more randos, so we should just stop pushing back and let them all in and maybe it won't be quite as bad"

>>416290509
>stop being a cunt to members of the community
>members of the community
>4channel: no cunts allowed
found the spoonfed and integrated rando virus.

>>416290610
>"Um actually pushback against randos creates more randos, so we should just stop pushing back and let them all in and maybe it won't be quite as bad"

>>416290509
>I will continue to do the unwanted behavior because you were a cunt to me
So if people weren't a cunt to you you will just have your rando friends in the instance.
If people are a cunt to you then you will still bring your rando friends in the instance?
What's the incentive here

Reminder that being from 4chan is nothing to be proud of. The idea of gatekeeping based on it is laughable. Do you really think you or your shitty events are special and any different from the ones hosted by randoms all the time?

In reality, the biggest cunts are the randos who show rarely respect the nature of 4chan community and start shit over it and those who bring in randos to instigate such things.

>>416290610
Isn't it true, though?
You guys constantly find yourselves asking questions like:
>why have people stopped using the thread in favor of discord
>why do people hang out with other communities
>why do people bring in randos and not care about gatekeeping

It's because compared to 2018, there has been a complete breakdown in civility. This thread, and to some extent, this community, has changed from being a fun and exciting place, to a place filled to the brim with abrasive no-fun faggots.

>>416290718
electionfag spotted
The idea that the defining feature of a 4channer is how abrasive he can be is a newfag take

>>416290891
Nope, they aren't special. But what about it? What does that have to do with the conversation? Do we necessarily need to be "better than everyone else" in order to keep randos out?

being mean is literally the point. it's the filter. if you get kicked once or twice and piss your pants, guess what. you got filtered
>>416290891
>moving the goalposts
jew fingers that ruin everything typed these words

>>416289601
>the solution to fixing the rando problem is to stop being mean to randos
what the fuck even is this take

>>416290891
If the idenity of "4chan community" is nothing to be proud of and the events hosted here are shitty, why do you bring your rando friends here?
Take them elsewhere where it's better.

>>416290991
You are so fucking retarded that I dug deep into my rarest wojaks folder, just for you.
Here, have it.
>It's because compared to 2018, there has been a complete breakdown in civility.
Normal for this site as generals get bigger, there's no way to fix that. It's inherent to generals.
Everyone who isn't an election tourist knows this and knows to ignore it.
I could understand if you were advocating to be kinder to your fellow anons, but there is nothing wrong with being hostile towards randos.

>>416291103
who are the people letting in randos?
hint: it's not randos
it's people who have been here since 2018

>>416290891
It has nothing to do with pride. It's about keeping 4chan what it is instead of just turning it into every other community. Not everything has to be or should be the exact same.

>>416291159
What? Being nicer to fellow anons is exactly what I'm advocating.
Where in my post did I say we should be kind to randos? I'm saying that the people letting the randos in are anons who stopped caring enough to gatekeep because the social contract has broken down.

>>416290991
hi nekowaffle lmao

The people being "mean" in this thread for no reason are a very vocal minority, usually active on /trash/ as well
They tend to filter themselves out at meetups and friend circles
Randos aren't people so it's okay to be mean to them, anyway.

>>416291149
The flaw in your line of thinking is assuming I'd want anyone to know I hang out with you schizos. You are a dirty, embarrassing secret and the only reason I stick around is a fondness for the days before this place was shit.

>>416290509
>oh no people are mean to me

>>416291171
I have been here since 2018 and I actively votekick (or did before they broke it) every rando. Your non-4chan friends are not welcome.

>>416291346
Leave then.
You won't be missed.

>>416291382
>oh no i saw someone i don't know

>>416291346
Gatekeeping was prevalent then too, and if people had stuck to their guns then this place wouldn't have become shit.

>>416291285
What social contract has broken down?
These "oldfags" you are trying to appeal to that have stopped ignoring or feeding the trolls and interpretted gossip and filterable crap here as from his fellow well-meaning anons?
Grow a spine.

Anons have always looked out for anon except for the trolls. The trolls are something we have to live through as a price for near absolute freedom.

I hate people who appeal to "I have been here longer than you" for their arguments. It's lazy, an appeal to unearned authority and downright illogical.

>>416291554
yeah keyword is saw cause they got kicked lolol

>>416291346
I have been here since 2018 and things are good. I think you're just a crotchety old man who grew away from this community.
Every community everywhere, every time, has oldfags who are disappointed with the current state of the community. That's not an indication that the community is wrong.
The way people treat randos is not even CLOSE to an issue here, if anything we need to be MORE ruthless against people joining meetups if they don't browse 4chan. We have real issues but being mean to randos is not one of them. If you want a different community then go elsewhere.

We're too big for the "old days" where you could pull 30 anons into a public instance and fuck around with people. The game has changed, the culture as a whole in VRChat has changed. I still hang out in Pugs sometimes because that's the only place you can find a smudge of "old" VRChat. Every rando that is pulled into here is nu-VRC mentally ill trannies and underaged quest users.

Groups would solve this issue but no one has the balls to sit in 0 person instances because no one actually believes what they preach.

>>416291810
Groups right now would basically insulate us and turn us into a closed-off tranny community that's not even pretending to be 4chan anymore.
There is literally no problem here, just carry on and ignore the people whining about "muh good old days when this general was like 10 people and we sat in pugs because friends+ instances were too small and boring".

>>416291564
>then this place wouldn't have become shit.
Yoh wtf are you saying this place is shit?
Don't bite into their argumentative frame.

I'm still having fun quite a bit here in the thread and the meetups so I'm quite hessitant to agree and get suckered into the argument that our community The community that stuck together through thick and thin and still use the thread has somehow magically gone shit somewhere down the line when by a lot of metrics we have a lot more events posted per week, per month and per year.
Only thing that went down is login length as naturally people login less on a game they've been playing for a loooong time.

Thread post count per hr has gone down but we know what's the culprit for that.

>>416290509
most of the oldfags who were mean to you are long gone and you're making it hard for the newfags who have never met you to have a good community

>>416291810
>let's lock down the community into groups instead of a discord server

i just use the group feature as a free* image banner to display above my nametag. best use for it desu

>>416291987
>>416291658
Are either of you actually aware how randos keep getting in? Who they know in the community? Who they are joining on?

>Open thread
>See whining
Doesn't matter, I'm still going to get on tonight, have fun with my friends, get a bit drunk, and log off.
If the people complaining spent all that time doing something more productive to fix their imagined issues, they would get a lot done. Or they might realize that by all metrics, this community is currently thriving pretty well.

>>416291810
This is only the case if you generalize the issue so much that it loses all nuance. We don't want to keep everyone out, we only want to keep the people out who refuse to acclimatize and integrate themselves into the community.
People who actually go through the right channels and understand the culture without making a fuss and having melties are welcome.

A rule as old as time has always been accurate for 4chan, and that is that when in rome, do as the romans do.

>>416292179
I mostly interact with people here in the thread and in VRchat most of the people I interact with can casually relate with the things that have been posted and discussed in the thread.

Who are you talking about then?

>>416292179
Yes, they get in because people have friends in other communities. Then they don't get noticed or don't get kicked in time, and then people join on that one rando. And then more join on them, and so forth.
The reasons why people have friends in other communities varies. IRL friends, friends from before /vrg/, drunkenly accepted requests, someone who seemed nice enough in a public world, befriending people in communities centered around pieces of media (like the old Persona or Touhou communities), the list goes on.
But does it matter? If they don't use 4chan, they don't belong. Randos joining happens. No one is going to hate me for it when a friend from years ago suddenly logs back into VRChat and joins on me.
There is no problem here, as long as we keep the randos out.

>oh no the randoms
why would randoms want to hang out with you? calling everything gay like you are stuck in 1998 is not an interesting or endearing character trait

Man you guys are complaining way too God damn much, I understand that some of you hate random people joining but there is literally nothing you can do about it. Random people are always going to join, no matter what you do.

I don't see the problem, I go on orange for /vrg/ instances and avoid talking to people who seem like outsiders

What in the god damn did i just walk into

>>416292627
>why would randoms want to hang out with you?
Mental illness. We kick the same mentally ill VP tranny out from every instance he joins and they still keep joining /vrg/ instances.

its always easy to see who the fragile snowflake niggas are by how they react to someone even slightly abrasive like orb or mamamad. these tumors who are integrated and think it should be a safe space here are the real randos

>>416292643
For a normal instance I couldn't care less.
There's more than enough space.

For bigger instances that reach map cap though that's when it's necessary to start filtering the randos out so we have room for anon.

imagine being a newfag actually from 4chan that is interested in vr then see this >>416292627

>>416292909
you're the fragile snowflake lmao
can't even handle me bringing my friends to your snowflake club

>>416290814
>What's the incentive here
Having friends in the instance to hang out with and back up your arguments against a large group of filibustering circlejerkers.
Even if it's not conscious, people who are less engaged because they don't want to talk to the asshats, are more likely to invite others to the instance to talk to with their fewer /vrg/ friends.

>>416292643
>I understand that some of you hate random people joining but there is literally nothing you can do about it.
There is plenty you can do about it, this whole thread has been discussing things you can do about it.

>>416292909
mamamad posts CP and puts CP in their VRC+ banners, so i can't blame someone for not wanting to associate with that.
But if you get mad at orb you're just filtering yourself.

>>416292987
imagine being a newfag actually from 4chan and your first experience with /vrg/ is being interrogated by a guy using a voice changer

ahem

>>416292996
>he typed this from his homeworld after getting kicked
just join back instead of seething, thin-skin baby

>>416292909
If you can't be civil from time to time and you can only be abrassive that's a problem.
I actually like mamamad.

People who has good or neutral intent is nice and manageable. People who are mean for meanness sake is tiring to interact with.

I think I will start pressing yes to votekicks.

>>416293230
If you're so good at kicking randos, why are you always whining about them here? Trying to manipulate the community into finally accepting you as official /vrg/ group leader?

Anyone i don't like is a rando, anyone i've not personally talked to is a rando. Please kick (if you disagree with me, you are rando).

I saw someone get interrogated by someone in a Loli swimsuit model claiming to be a part of the police

By what % did your immersion and enjoyment improve after getting fbt?
Whenever I log on as a 3-pointer it feels awkward and as if something is missing. Wonder if getting fbt would help.

>>416293338
boring strawman

>>416293483
i would say that the full body in my case improves the game and immersion due to me being able to move my funny legs

>>416293139
Ryder overdoes it, but if you're seriously offended by someone casually asking you what boards you browse, you probably shouldn't be here.
>>416293483
By A LOT. Hard to quantify but it's worth it if you already have a SteamVR headset like the Index or Vive. It might be more questionable if you only have a Quest 2, WMR or a CV1.

>>416293230
anon getting kicked bans you from the instance and you can't rejoin

>>416293483
A fuck ton it's the same leap from flatgaming to 3point tracking.
The immersion I felt the first time I saw my whole body moving properly on a casted shadow was immense.

>>416293139
i don't think the voice changer guy goes around and tells people they should respect their pronouns

>>416293331
Without learning who you're kicking first? How will you know if they're randos or just a newfriend who somebody hates?

>>416293748
yes

>>416293230
Nigger hands typed this.

went to a meetup for the first time last night and everyone seemed nice. one person asked where i was from, i said the vg thread and that was it.

not sure why the thread always seems to be full of schizos but people inworld are actually nice.

>>416293951
Because none of the thread goblins actually play vr games

>>416293951
^this

>>416293951
There are malicious people who want to ruin this community by infesting it with people not from here.

I'm not even racist desu, but I make a point to always loudly say the nigger word during meets because it makes people whom I don't want to be there uncomfortable

>>416293748
ask them what boards they browse and vote "yes" if the answer is insufficient.
if they're getting votekicked, chances are they've already been around the instance and noticed as an outsider. we get lots of newfags and 99% of them never got a votekick called on them, let alone actually get kicked.
it helps if they aren't in a TDA or furry avatar either.

>>416293951
Because people have something called social skills.

>>416293951
That meetup was unironically full of randos

Isn't there a status system that allows you to control whether people join on you? How is this even a debate, just set yourself to orange or red or whatever if you have non-/vrg/ friends.

can someone with a vrc+ make a group called The Nice Guys and we can and protect newfriends from our rival gang The Abrasive Guys

>>416293951
Anonymity gives goblins and malicious individuals the power to freely shittalk people without getting criticized or ostracized.
It's a VERY vocal minority, most people here are very nice and post nice things when they do post. Just ignore schizos and go talk to your friends.

>>416294236
Which ones were the randos? Namedrop. Also which timezone was this in

>>416294373
that would be nice but people refuse to do that and there is no real way to enforce that people do so other than by asking nicely

>>416294373
Why would they do that when they are even inviting the people in the first place?

>>416294495
I have begrudgingly kicked people who were massive sources of randos and refused to go on orange. Think of well-known people like Psyanic (not literally him, just using him as an example). It was literally too much to keep up with

>>416294373
>Why is everyone in private all the time
People gonna complain no matter what

>>416294475
NA but I'm not going to namedrop
but there were trash people there and some of their rando friends joined on them
the thing is most people in game don't care about randos

>>416293731
>>416293701
>>416293657
fug, I was hoping it wouldn't be that extreme. Guess I'm getting myself some vive trackers soon.

>>416294373
nope I'm never going orange
I do have non-vrg friends
They do join on me
and there's nothing you can do about it

>>416294706
Again, culture issue among NA's. Which definitely isn't helped by the fact that there is such a large overlap with trashfags in this community.
>>416294782
I don't mind, that's just more people to kick.

>>416294782
>and there's nothing you can do about it
what will you say when I kick them?

>>416291920
And that is different from a closed of discord tranny community pretending to be 4Chan how?

>>416294706
why would it matter if you namedrop a rando?

>>416284004
had a nice talk with a cool dude with cool boobas, is the rest of vrg full of tsunderes or something you guys arn't bad to talk to at all haha

>>416294869
I'm not in any vrg discords and don't pay mind to people who obsess over discords. It sounds like you guys are due for another discord nuke.

>>416294401
Anonymity allows people to call out malicious individuals on their bullshit without getting exiled by groupthink and leaderfags.
Which, despite what some people think, are definitely things that exist in /vrg/.

>>416294851
I'll say "lol" when you're running around the world screaming about how no one votes yes on votekicks.

>>416294995
i am the instance owner and I kick them

>>416294995
But I'm the instance owner so why should I care?
I know you're baiting and all but you have like no ammo here when I'm a notorious hardass on randos

>>416294950
I don't remember rando names, really. I mentally filter them out. One I do remember is "Boxxy", not to be confused with B0xxy, who is actually 4chan.
I typically don't remember rando names. I remember who the anons are who always seem to have randos around them.

>>416294952
Glad you had a nice talk.
We're mostly all autistic.
Or on the spectrum at least.
We are in 4chan after all, people come here to find likeminded people since we feel alienated by the normal world.

>>416295083
Was it the woman with the green hair?
She's a VP refugee and was spoonfed in here because their own community imploded. She's kick on sight these days around my circle so I'm sorry you got unlucky with that one

>>416295052
>>416295053
So are you R or somebody? Most people don't jump in portals made by the notorious hardasses.

>>416295083
>One I do remember is "Boxxy"
Yeah this rando tipsy tuesday faggot needs to go. They invite all of their rando friends every time and are usually surrounded by Homestuck characters

>>416295183
The one that I'm talking about has a woman-ish sounding voice, yes. I don't trust voices to indicate someone's sex anymore.
She was there along with a little circle of randos orbiting her.

>>416295089
I have adhd so i'm at best a failed normie. But from what i can gauge this alienation is increasing even amongst normies. VR would take off if the PC side of things were more affordable & accessible w/o gimmicks like the quest 2