/vrg/ - Virtual Reality General #1658

>>505663212 (OP)
first for desk anomaly

oh boy i cant wait to talk about virtual reality video games!

The special operative

>>505663612
METAL GEAR?!

How many would be down to play Pavlov Shack lobbies? Aka the Quest 3 stand alone version of Pavlov?
Got alot of quest users nowdays, and the streaming latency kinda sucks for PC play.

>>505664879
anon, this is PCVR discrimination. i dont have a quest, what am i supposed to do? on the flipside, quest players can play PCVR.

>>505665059
With crunchy visuals at 50-60ms or clean visuals at 80-110 ms motion to photon delay...

Reminder:

Collaboration conclusions

Wired headsets:

90 Hz baseline is 40 ms
are slighly slower than connected monitors showing the game window?
Vive Wireless adds around 10 ms, resulting around 50 ms total, which kinda makes sense, as there must be a frame buffer somewhere?

Wifi connected headsets:

at 50 megabits, which looks pretty bad, you can get near the vive pro wireless delay, but still 10-20 ms slower (57-70 ms overall, depending on scene complexity)
at around 150 megabits, which looks better, you get around 80 ms delay - double that to display port connected headset
at 400 megabits when compression artifacts start to be less noticable you get 110 ms delay, which is quite a lot, explains why people report that they are less accurate in shooter games
faster wifi does not help with latency, but allows higher video bandwith at a cost of latency
Pico Connect seems to be as good as Virtual Desktop at equivalent bitrates and video encoders, latency wise. Makes sense as all our collaborators use NVIDIA video cards, Pico Connect and Virtual Desktop use the same GPU hardware encoders, and both Pico and Quest are XR2 devices with the same decoders.
virtual desktop "total delay" seems to be missing 40 ms compared to full motion to photon delay.
Using USB cable shouldn't change the total delay dramatically, but might reduce some of the transmission delay.

Linux:

opensource Monado and ALVR linux VR stack seems to have quite more latency on wired and wifi headsets, like there are 2-3 frames delay added.

>>505666623
>virtual desktop
any difference in steam link?

>>505667638
I have what I have. Anyone can test and send me video and filled up excel sheet.

>>505668314
steam link is free
nothing is stopping you from testing with it

>>505668509
Uh yeah except not having the headsets for it, most of the data is from volunteers.

>>505668554
just buy it you cheapskate

>>505668509
Nothing is stopping you from recording a slow mo video and counting some frames.

Speaking of steam link I tried it the other day had no audio, anyone had this problem before? I don't think I have the audio drivers for some reason

>>505664879
Pavlov Shack have most of the good maps on mod.io, for modded guns I don't care. Gonna look into gamemodes later. Shack is where the majority of players are, so mod support should be as good or better then PCVR.

>>505658647 (Cross-thread)
I'll be there Anon!

>>505666389
and that was enough to dab on your whiny ass yesterday

>>505658647 (Cross-thread)
Sonic 3 releases on 20th Dec, and the trailer says theaters only so there won't be a webrip available.

>>505671281
>>505670835
Damn, I think you're right. Die Hard 2 it is!

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>>505671395
Finally my favourite British railway quote in a movie

>>505666623
I'm skeptical about these results.
Kinda weird that all results are coming from lighthouse users too, who obviously have an agenda.
I would have done the test myself, but I don't use vrchat. I can rewrite the test using openxr/vulkan directly, because nobody serious uses trannychat. I think that's the reason there not so many results submitted in the first place.
But flicking the controllers while recoding 120fps video is such a ghetto way to measure, is it even worth the effort.

>>505673706
Try and disprove them then, the methods are open. All you have to do is do something other than complain on 4chan, which is high bar.

>>505674167
I'm not using trannychat, so I will have to rewrite it.
The current state of the test is just trash honestly.

>>505674294
That's great, when can we expect results? It would be good to have a less ghetto way of testing.

It'd also be good to see where these lighthouse-agenda tetherlets managed to edit their video and delete frames showing how slow their headset really is, and to prove that they added frames to the videos when they were testing superior low latency wireless headsets just to fudge the results. Either that or the volunteers submitting their wireless results purposefully wanted to make their headset look slower, which is ridiculous.

>>505674617
Need to decide on a proper methodology first.
The test itself can be written in a day.

>>505674759
>the volunteers submitting their wireless results purposefully wanted to make their headset look slower
Only lighthouse users submitted the results so far. An obvious potential conflict of interests.

>>505674886
>Only lighthouse users submitted the results so far. An obvious potential conflict of interests.
There are entries where lighthouses aren't used at all, did you find out who submitted those to confirm they weren't actually free from the lighthouse conspiracy?

>>505674974
I remember the old versions of the chart and the original posts.
Pico results are made by the same person who made the map.

>>505675058
Fair enough, it's a reasonable assumption that any vrchat user would have lighthouses for their tranny trackers.

>>505675108
He also made a vid with index controllers at the same time, it's not an assumption.

>>505675165
Well I know a few non-lighthouse users (slimes/haritoras/etc) that could be asked to see if there is actually a lighthouse user bias in the recorded video.

>>505675291
I have an optimal setup myself, so I can check if it's bullshit or not.
Yeah, whatever, fuck it, I will write it right now.

>>505675552
Sounds like a good final solution to the lighthouse question

>>505675058
There are mutliple picos, anon.

>>505675552
If you write a seperate testing application then and test your wireless hmd, then lighthouse people should also test it for reference. Your frame submission code might have different vsync buffors, and different overall delay.

>>505675552
Good luck getting people to download your sketchy exe for testing. Especially as you malevolently deny validity of tests performed in a naturalistic enviroment, in an actual game people use.

>>505677312
github + compile it yourself

>>505675552
>Have an optimal setup
>Instead of trying to use existing testing solution and comparing results with a good selection of submissions wants to redo everything and invent a bicycle first
Anon kun, just count the frames.

>>505677381
Good luck with that. Youll bever get non enthusiasts to test with that approach. Im not reading your code when there is a naturalistic sandboxed tool available.

>>505677183
>Your frame submission code might have different vsync buffers, and different overall delay.
There is only one way to submit frame data through openxr.
You do it with "xrEndFrame", there is no explicit syncing, the api does it for you.

>>505677312
I never denied anything. I'm just skeptical.
If you are worried, nobody forces you to download. I just want to see the expected latency for myself too.

>>505677381
Source is not happening. You are not going to be able to compile anyway.

>>505677481
I'm not using vrchat.

Running Mulholland Drive in Assetto Corsa tonight at 8PM ET (about 11 hours from now).
Car list is in pic related, let me know if there's anything else you want to run.
All of the mods and DLC should be in the links below, and the server is up if you want to test anything.
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Why do most PCVR games look like dogshit unless you have a NASA PC with 3x4090's? What can be done about this? Tried MSFS2024 on my 3060, it runs smooth at medium low but feels like sitting in front of a 1990s 240p CRT TV

>>505678521
Resolution is king and you need a monster GPU to render those games at 6K+. I'm willing to put up with MSFS at 45fps with retroprojection if I can supersample enough to be able to read the dials without leaning forward.

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Hope to see you there!

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>>505677729
>I'm not using vrchat.
Just... Use it once? To see how your setup compares to others. Good look getting people to do YET another round of tests just because your autistic ass cant be bothered to use existing tools and want to rewrite from scratch. Not using existing tool for reference you're just making yourself seem hostile for no reason.

Although it would be interesting to compare pure C api without an engine with vrchat implementation. Althouh its not naturalistic, but it could set the bar of whats possible.

Dont forget to implement noisy and noiseless versions, noise should vhange every frame to stress the encoder/decoder and simulate scene with a lot of movement with high detail textures like trees, grass, confetti.

>>505678903
>>>/trash/vrlg/71475219

>>505678797
>retroprojection
Whats that? Are you talking about the spacewarp in Virtual Desktop? That shit just makes it more blurry imo.

>>505678521
Because you need at least 3k x 3k per eye for it to be not blurry? Try running flat games at 6k x 3k resolution and achieve 90 FPS, I dare you. And no DLSS and shit, because it just looks blurry in vr. Real pixels, real framerate.

>>505678989
Yeah that's the thing. You need to go into MSFS option and turn on the setting to give motion vectors for the retroprojection algorithim to work and it only works with VDXR. The one with SteamVR is bugged.
I only use it for that game. For every other games it doesn't work.

>>505678989
Reprojection rotates and warps the view of a previous frame if the game didn't submit one in time. Making head rotations smooth and mostly correct. Moving scenery and your hands will still stutter, as they update every second frame.

>>505678973
Our mystery secret santa is a married man and won't put up with that. Sorry!

>>505678970
>To see how your setup compares to others.
If the best case scenario result is bad, there is no point.
>Although it would be interesting to compare pure C api
Exactly.
> without an engine
There is always an engine, you are just using the api directly.
>Dont forget to implement noisy and noiseless versions
Was planning to make particles option later.

>>505679414
>If the best case scenario result is bad, there is no point.
The best case scenario of wired 90 hz hmd being at 40 ms in vrchat correlates well with literature, published in scientific journal. They used self written from scratch app and robotic arm to move the controller and also got 40 ms for Index at 90Hz. If youd paid attention youd know.

>>505679756
>reading comprehension
I know about the study. I'm saying if the latency is really 70ms+ for the quest streaming, there is no point in testing further.

>>505679414
https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.3758/s13428-022-01983-5.pdf
The vrchat implementation of the testing protocol seems to be adequate enough.

>>505679886
Then why do you want to reimplement the test bench from scratch? And dont even want to compare your supposedly optimal setup on existing test bench?

>>505680046
Not using vrchat. This is where I draw the line.

>>505680208
>I will not launch vrchat even to test one thing and never use it again
You're retarded and cant be trusted, understood.

>>505680208
What about a chilloutVR world?

>we now live in the big lighthouse conspiracy schizo timeline

>>505680479
I'm not making a vrchat account.

>>505680648
I can do chillout, yeah. Throwaway mails just work with it, if I remember correctly, so there is no problem.

>>505680648
Chillout doesnt have scripting (i think?) to do implement this test.

>>505680839
Didn't they add lua scripting?

>>505680826
>I'm not making a vrchat account.
Can you help me understand your objection to signing up and using VRchat?
If it is on a technical ground, a throwaway email/fresh steam account and a throwaway windows install would let you sign up and use it without any significant trace. Or is it more on principle?

>>505674759
the absolute state of latencylets

>post some completely unhinged garbage to make the other side look bad
ITS DA SCHIZOOOOOO

>>505673706
I submitted my results using 240fps footage
another anon used 480fps footage apparently
i have many more hmds I can record and submit, just been busy flatgaming lately

>>505675058
>Pico results are made by the same person who made the map.
lol nice try schizo

>>505681094
>fresh steam account
The are no guest steam accounts anymore, you need gmail to register basically. There is a email whitelist.
And even protonmail is not in.

>>505680826
>I'm not making a vrchat account.
you can just use your steam account then lol

>>505671395
Yippee-ki-yay motherfucker, I'm STILL going to be there Anon!

>>505681461
Throwaway gmail account? Like it doesn't matter how much they track you if you use a fresh throwaway windows install on default settings just to make an account, use it for a single thing (signing up to steam) and then using VRC for 20 minutes and nuking the entire thing and never using it again.

I got the app working.
What the is the distance required to register the move in the original map?

Any games where you can be a sicko? Attack women, torture people, preferably, like blade and sorcery, and that one FPS gun game whose name I forgot, where you can torture and mutilate npcs with guns.

>>505681614
it uses a calibrated jitter of the controllers to set the threshold

>>505681614
How it works is you put your controller flat, hit a calibrate button and sets a 'highest value' of movement which is roughly peak jitter. So basically; any meaningful movement signal from your controller above baseline noise.

so you're telling me the best the compressionlets can send for coping is someone who doesn't want to make a vrchat account yet MUST use a Meta or Pico account?

>>505680826
You dont need to make vrchat account, you can log in using steam, schizo

>>505681461
But there is? Just click log in using steam when starting the game?

>>505682097
>>505682214
You can't.

>>505682003
kek

>>505681614
Maybe if you paid attention and read the posted udon code you knew? It measures resting unmoving controller jitter - distance controller travelled between frames for 4 seconds, takes the maximum distance and adds 10% margin. Thats the distance treshold to count as "moving".

>>505682003
add wires

>>505682343
>udon code
Not everyone speaks chinese.

>>505682239
You can.

You will not turn into a tranny overnight just from making a discord or vrchat account

>>505682491
Nigger, its litterally C#. I dont think you can program anything anymore and are here just to troll.

>>505682496
make a new steam account and try it

>>505682630
that's what they want you to believe

>>505682239
You didn't even try to launch vrchat and yet are saying lies which are extremely easy to check. Why?

>>505682645
>C#
White people don't use languages with garbage collectors.

>>505682003
>he’s using hand tracking
ngmi

>>505682764
Record a video. They removed it more than 2 years ago.
It still forces you to make an account.

>>505682681
Schizo

>>505682003
Me on the left

>>505682914
reminds me to try that game out
v72 got a pretty big stabilization update for hand tracking too

>>505682958
There was no announcement. But the Meta and Pico accounts work without VRChat account, I used pico to test pico standalone. I did not use my steam account to log in to VRChat in a long time, but there was no announcement about it being depreciated, and the button is still there. I might try it later today.

You said you wont use VRChat, now you say it doesnt work for you. Which is it? You know you can just use throwaway email to login to vrchat account just like cvr or anytging else? If you want to collaborate in good intentions on this benchmark youll have to compare results on your bench with vrchat bench. Otherwise youre just a crazy schizo.

>>505682814
So you are too white to understand c# code? Retard.

>latency this
>compression that
I just play 99% of games standalone and only use PC for MSFS and VRC, it's that shrimple.

>>505683365
It's definitely better but it will still spazz out sometimes when you turn around rapidly.

>>505683519
More like white enough to understand C/C++ Rasheet.

>>505681614
So where is your code?

>>505683386
>You know you can just use throwaway email
They use a whitelist, so basically gmail is required. And you can't create new a gmail address without a phone confirmation.
Vrchat can fuck itself. Retarded account reqs is just one of the reasons.

>>505683519
>tfw too white for C#

>>505663212 (OP)
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Non-secret santa participants will be able to have a little token as well.

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When?
SEA - is not gonna be here for this year for the first time ever since Secret Santa started ;_;
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>>505682003

>>505682630
Don't do it Loli-chan! Don't take another step! That escalator looks like it could have been made in China!

>>505685517
Sir please stay on topic
We're on day #315 of discussing minor differences in headset refresh rate and cannot afford distraction at this important time

>>505685807
>2-3 times higher delay
>Minor
Carmack was right and wrong.

If I'm holding the grab button, why doesn't the gun automatically grabs upon contact with my hand? I feel like this is a big oversight from vr fps game designers.

>>505687728
If you form your hand into fist and touch an object IRL it wont magically go into the fist, you need to form your fist around an object to grab it.

>>505681614
How is it? Got any results?

>>505689115
The thing is done. Drift correction, etc is finished.
Input is hardcoded for quest controllers interaction profile right now, need to figure out how make it work with a generic headset.
Then clean up and I can send the exe.

>>505689372
No-one's running an exe without source code dude

>>505689372
>Just run this exe I swear

>>505688186
we making it outta early life development with this one!

>>505689720
>he thinks he can easily access the forbidden latency knowledge
Need shortcut icon suggestions btw.

>>505689372
>He didnt expose normal OpenVR/OpenXR action manifest for VR runtime to deal with bindings like a sane person would
>Didn't even make a noise shader
>Nobody trusts his schizo exe anyway
>Didnt do a validation test to compare with peers benchmarks making this all escapade hard to compare with existing results
You still should use your steam account to log in into vrchat and do both tests.

>>505689981
>Need shortcut icon suggestions btw.
Ah yea, focusing on important I see.

>>505690164
>He didnt expose normal OpenVR/OpenXR action manifest
Everything is made properly, it's just default binding are there only for quest controllers.
That code was for personal use.
>Didn't even make a noise shader
You don't need a noise shader when you can just spawn particles.

It's mostly a sanity check for latency, so I personally know what to expect.
Anon asked how it is going, I answered.

>>505690517
Anons are good at graphics design.

>>505690636
Looking forward for your results then.

want to share my excitement anons - all the orders are in my hands at last! the final package came 8 days earlier than expected
time to unpack and connect everything - hopefully it will fit together nicely
this is going to be fun anons!

>>505691157
I'm using this as a "Quest 3 is only $500, anon" image

>>505691157
I'd be interested in knowing how the M3 Mini strap is, I just got a Quest 3 myself and I need a new head strap.

>>505691157
Why would you but these headphone though? They will be uncomfortable and will fall off during gaming, and definitely wont fit right with all the straps in the way.

>>505691157
nice, have fun anon!
good luck wearing those headphones with your headset on though

>>505690636
I hope youll do different bitrates and encodings, and didnt project about "adding or removing frames"

>>505691157

Now all you need to do is drop another $1,000 on full body tracking and you're almost there.

>>505691157
Are knuckle straps a meme or do they really feel better?

>>505691268
based
we need more schizo shitposters

>>505691984
>Could have bought pico 4 and didnt need to replace straps, wouldn't need a mic or headphones and as a bonus FBT for 60 bucks

>>505692206
Depends what you do in games. I like to fully open my hands without having the controller fall out completely or dangling around. Don't get the AMVR one though, one of them just broke on me at the base of the controller after 6 months.

>>505692206
They’re fucking great. I got the Kiwi ones since I couldn’t imagine not having them after being used to Index Knuckles, they’re only like 20 bucks.

>>505691268
620$ was the absolute cheapest deal where i live, probably because of taxes and such
as far as my understanding, only the head strap was really necessary, while the rest is just - why not?
>>505691364
i didnt want to have extra weight on my head, so that was a well rated no-battery solution
i will report back once its all assembled
>>505691421
im concerned about the fitting with all the straps as well - although these supposed to be very light and sit tightly according to reviews
not too worried about them falling off, since ive used my old pair of similar design with a PSVR1, and there were no issues at all
regardless, its too late to speculate now - i will find out for sure in a few hours

thanks for (you)s anons! its nice to have someone to share it with - cant tell it to anyone i know irl without feeling like im doing something highly inappropriate

>>505692206
I see a lot of people recommend them alongside a new headstrap but I own both an OG Rift and newer Quest 3 knuckle strap, neither are must-haves that you need to buy alongside the headset like a headstrap or facial interface will be.

>>505681615
Blood Trail, it's only junkies right now but unironically it has best in class gore, personally I find it on the same level if not better than TLoU2.

>>505692206
mine feel great but my left hand gets irritated if i don’t wipe down and completely dry them because autism

Le cake is, um, le lie!?

I enjoy how throwing actually feels good in this reddit game

EU PyPy today at 18:00 UTC, that's in about 1h, I'll drop a link to the world few minutes before starting, vids are in the link, see you dancing!

https://rentry.org/vrgpypy

new WRC event: H2 in gravel part of Italy. Cars are surprisingly fast for being 70's shitboxes, track has fast sections, on the upside they're way more controllable than what you'd expect from a 70's RWD.

Join:
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i did some science

drank 50cl of beer 7%alc
wait 30minutes
ran https://github.com/NotThat/Benchmark-DirectX9 with 20 clicks each on my monitor, then quest link, then vd

results:
monitor 144hz 160ms average
quest link 120hz 185avg
vd 120hz 195avg

conclusion: its not so bad but im not sure the desktop viewers are running at full framerate in each respective streaming software

>>505697245
>50cl of beer
had to look up wtf a cl was

>want to play some Beat Saber
>(Update paused)
Every fucking time I get the urge to play this game. Fuck you Zucc, I don't give a shit about these official song DLCs, just leave my mods alone.

>>505697245
retard

>>505694893

>>505697658
They were doing this before Zuck bought them. Most of my playtime is on a pirated version because Steam hasn't had a reliable way of preventing updates in years.

>>505694328
Is this recroom?

>>505697658
use bsmanager boomer
https://github.com/Zagrios/bs-manager
nobody complains about mods breaking anymore

>>505682003
>the wireless questie can simply walk away from the leashcuck and the leashcuck won't be able to reach them

NA anime tonight at 10 pm est in vrchat
https://rentry.org/i3t5ozt8/

K-on - 20
K-on - 21
K-on - 22
Mecha-Ude - 10

Will post an instance link when it's up, you can wait until 11:20 to join if you want to skip K-on.

>>505682003
lel, saved

>>505692206
No they're great, literally the best part about the original Knuckles/Index controllers. None of the Quest 3 third party ones are really as good as the actual Knuckles strap but they work well enough.

is there a way to connect a pirated beat saber (pc version) online to download shit off beatsaver? or am i stuck having to download them manually?

>>505700556
I can't be bothered to downgrade and make backups over and over. I'm just gonna wait for all the mods to be up to date again and pray that I get the urge to play before yet another update comes out.

>start substance painter
>get overwhelmed
>close substance painter

Anyone have a good guide? My avatar is full of this shit and from my understanding (unless I'm mistaken) the best way to fix this shit is to go into substance painter and redo normal maps or whatever the hell.

>>505697658
Play Synth Riders instead.

>>505700752
You can see this is a TDA from the horrible body proportions, especially the unappealing hip to waist ratio

>>505397430 (Cross-thread)
I went to a VR demo event and the first 2 people I bump into were VRC players and both were men who dressed like women

>>505703079

Can't really even tell what I am looking at here. I can see a seam but there could be many reasons for that. It could be the normals but it could be caused both by the normals themselves being incorrect, or by the meshes geometry just resulting in normals like that.

If you've imported the mesh into Unity, you should be able to go to the mesh file and in the files import settings you can choose whether to import the normals or calculate them. Switch it to calculating the normals. If the problem still persists then it's probably due to the meshes geometry and to fix this you'd ideally be better off fixing the source of the problem (you could manually edit the normals but having a mesh with shit geometry could present more problems in the future).

>>505692206
being able to let go of your controllers is great

>>505703079
what is the actual issue? if it's some ugly sharp lines on an actual normal map you can just blur it with an image editor of your choice, no SP needed but you could also use SP

this looks like a vertex normal issue though imo

>>505678521
>MSFS2024
>3060
>"WHY DOES IT LOOK BAD????"

>>505692206
I preferred the original Rift controllers that could simply by picked up and put down without having to adjust the strap every time. Letting go with three fingers was fine. The Index finger tracking handling the grip state is one of the worst video game inputs in history, so its close connection to the straps also influences my opinion.

>>505681615
Bonelab

EU Assetto Corsa: European Racing club, season 12!
Race 86

19:00 UTC 20:00 CET, Monday 16th of December 2024.

The last race of this season! LMP2, one of the fastest racing cars class in existence. In BRAZIL. Get ready for some fast endurance racing (it won't take too long).

1 hour practice
12 minutes qualifiers
12 laps race

After that some driving around in Scotland, the drive of survivors.

Assetto - can be played with wheel, controller, or steam-vr-wheel addon, it doesn't matter, we will all have fun driving together. If you just bought Asseto - grab Assetto Corsa Content Manager - a better launcher and mod manager: https://assettocorsa.club/content-manager.html To install mods: just drag and drop zip files from mega onto the Content Manager windows and click on the hamburger menu on top right. Highly recommend installing stable custom shader patch and 7-zip plugin in Content manager.

For communication we'll use mumble at voice.vrg.party port 64738, as it doesn't need any registrations or logins.
https://www.mumble.info/

I can't recomend enough Crew Chief
https://thecrewchief.org/
He's a helpfull AI fellow in the pits who'll provide you information about your car, your opponents, yell at you or try to encourage you. And most importantly, he will spot for you, in case you have a car in you blind spot.

UI radar are immersion breaking and basically cheating, but this guy will tell you verbally if someone is there on your right. Download, install, select Asseto Corsa in game list, press "Start application" and it should work!

MODS: https://mega.nz/folder/G2hDibAa#OtJSDyzyFBHvuII-VJdcGQ

>>505681615
>that one FPS gun game whose name I forgot,
Hard Bullet.

>>505704815
Index pressure sensitive grip is the best grip state handling solution in the video game input history. It just works, you grab - you grab, you let go - you let go. It's close connection with straps let's you throw grenades without thinking. I love my Index controllers, and Roys are disappointment.

>>505705124
Roy was already confirmed to have optional straps

>>505704225
>If you've imported the mesh into Unity, you should be able to go to the mesh file and in the files import settings you can choose whether to import the normals or calculate them. Switch it to calculating the normals.

Fiddling about with this seems to have fixed things somehow. Thank you!!

>>505704431
It's ugly sharp lines, yeah.
The pic was of the ankle during a blendshape, but the issue was also present on a point between the upper arm and shoulder as well as a few other locations.
Toggling off the blendshapes and fiddling with what the other anon said seems to have fixed things though (with the heel-shape blendshape on, there's still an ugly line, but it's better than before, and I can make-do with that I guess).

Another excuse to avoid substance painter for now...

>>505678521
VR means you're rendering everything twice + msfs is a piece of shit

>>505705124
>Index pressure sensitive grip is the best grip state handling solution in the video game input history. It just works, you grab - you grab, you let go - you let go.
...Except for when it doesn't work and the grab is stuck despite you no longer holding your controllers. Or it doesn't recognize your grab at all.

>>505704703
Well you but my point is that for it to be anywhere near decent you'd need at least 2 4090's. I watched flight sim vr guy on youtube and even he is getting like 45 fps on ultra with his single 4090 gpu.

The hardware is not there yet unless you're a rich fag.

>>505705212

If you're using blendshapes then you'll usually run into problems with normals. The problem is the normals don't get updated to the meshes new shape and that is probably what is causing the issue.

>>505655997 (Cross-thread)
Pavlov push or Contractors for next Friday at 19:00 UTC / 20:00 CET?
https://strawpoll.com/XOgOVk3lon3

>>505705124
That's funny because we literally had someone yesterday have issues with their grip bindings in pavlov

>>505705529
The hardware is there. Your issue is that you want to play MSFS2024 and expect meaningful performance and quality balance at ANY price point. Any other VR title out today is passable in performance and quality even on a 4060.

>>505705529
The hardware is there, it's the software that's a boated piece of shit. Plenty of good looking games that run well on hardware an eighth as powerful as the current top end. Blame MSFS.

>>505705124
It just isn't.

Can someone explain the quest referral code process to me? I need to 100% make sure something works.

Basically going to refer myself when upgrading from my quest 2 to a 3. I'll give my buddy my old 2 so I'd refer him when he makes an account on the 3, then we can just swap which account is on which headset, right? That will work?

>>505705689
If it is push, then someone will need to find small maps, because most of them are too big even for 24 players.

>>505691157
>those headphones
Let me know if they actually fit properly on your ear past the head strap. My headphones are really bulky so I can't get them around or under the plastic strap. Especially when my ear lines up pretty much with the widest point of the side straps by the hinge.

>>505705689
i voted for palptractors but I'd love to finally play pavlove on a non-tueday for once

>>505691157
>all this to goon in vrchat

>>505703749
You can also see it's a screenshot that they ran through AI to make it look sketched.

>>505707225
From Meta
>once the headset is activated for the first time, it is no longer possible to make a referral. it only works once per headset activated.
Pre-owned headsets won't give the referral and as you'll be activating yours to accept your own referral, it will then count as pre-owned for him.

anyone take good shots from the NA exploration yesterday?

ded thred

true true

>>505700613
>teleports behind you
nothing personnel, kid

>>505691421
>>505708668
the ear cups are definitely too big - the top part of the cups is resting on the side straps
since the cushions are thick and soft, headphones are still usable and dont feel uncomfortable
would i buy them if i had a chance to try them on first? No!
but its good enough to use until i figure out what else might work

>>505682003

>>505716971
put the controllers up right in front of his face to be accurate with trex arms

>>505698857
Escape Simulator

>>505701915
pls respond if you would be so kind

>>505716971
>open up Quest
>full of wires

>>505719871

>>505666623
This is so sad. I hope that someone makes another wigig headset. What gets me is that VD under reports latency which seems kind of slimy.

>finally get the quest 3
>can't even get the installation process finished
>find out facebook and instagram are fucked or something

>>505681614
how its going anon?

>>505720298
u vill use ze servers

>>505711573
Ya but don't both referrer and refer-y get some cash? Like the zukbuks would go to my account right so I could just factory reset both after referring him on it, then we swap?

It's really just a natural shift in culture. There are so many subgroups that have little regard (or actual contempt) for the idea of "vrg" as a whole who will spit in the face of any attempt to reconcile a lot of the issues.

My main gripe last night is that the vrg thread on /vg/ has become a no fun place full of angry boring people. Look at the thread today. It's shills arguing over whether wires or wireless headsets are better.
If someone tries to funpost or even post about vrchat they get shouted down by angry retards. It's such a a dreadfully boring thread now and most of the people I actually enjoy talking to don't browse the thread regularly or at all anymore. It's very on topic most of the time but it's also devoid of funposting, jokes, memes, drama, schizophrenia, and all of the other things that makes 4chan fun.

I think a common problem that's more or less universal to all of the vrg subgroups is this (unfounded) smug sense of superiority that they seem to have. People will be snooty because they think that the other groups are too welcoming or randos, or too lewd, etc etc. it really ruins cohesion when everyone is just off in their own respective corners thinking they're better than everyone else.
One of the things I like about this place is that it's a bit more shitposty and unpredictable, like 4chan people should be. I also feel that there's a lot less of that smug sense of superiority here.
My general state of being displeased with the vrg thread and some of the cliquishness is why I decided to start being more active here.

>>505720351
Pretty much ready for distribution. The only feature that is missing is the particle spawner for noise, but can be added easily, I did the most annoying parts which prevented the exe sharing.

Who wants to be the guinea pig?

>>505722625
Yes. Send him the referral and have his account set up the Q3 first so it's a fresh activation and you both get the zuccbucks. Then factory reset both headsets and you're good to go.

>>505723758
Thanks a bunch!

>>505723160
>pale skin, red top
Looking good, mommy.
I'm so happy to be subscribed to your blog.

>>505723160
>It's shills arguing over whether wires or wireless headsets are better.
>le shills
what if we own both types?
do both sides pay us?
>It's such a a dreadfully boring thread now
has been for years, maybe there's a reason all the vrc posting gets yelled at since its just repeat content ad nauseum at this point
>One of the things I like about this place is that it's a bit more shitposty and unpredictable
>unpredicatble
lol
lmao

>>505723160
I don't really miss the time when this thread was the one used for accusing people of being pedos/stalkers/cheaters/whatever but to each their own. I agree that it's still missing some funposting tho.

>>505723428
you are the first guinea pig, obviously

>>505723428
>I did the most annoying parts which prevented the exe sharing.
huh?

>>505723428
>exe

>>505725263
Everything is packed into a single exe file.
No dlls, no other dependencies too. Just like the god intended.

>>505723160
i know this is just a crosspost but
while this thread does suck dick now, pretending like /trash/ is great by comparison is quite a take.
just yesterday i opened it up to check it out and there was either someone doxxing someone else's IRL selfie images while pretending to be them, or someone that unironically spammed IRL images of themselves asking people to rate them, with the majority of the thread obliging.
if that thread is so bad it's gotten to the point where it's not even about VR anymore, i don't really understand how you can sing its praises and point to it as an example that this thread should follow.

>>505723160
tl;dr:
The vrg thread on /vg/ has become a dull, overly serious space where funposting, jokes, and creativity have been replaced by tedious arguments and cliquish superiority. This lack of humor and inclusivity makes it unappealing, prompting the writer to seek more unpredictable, genuine interactions elsewhere.

This isn't a blog. Keep it short, or you'll seem like you're fishing for words to make your paint.

I'm trying to setup Quest 3 to play HL Alyx, do you actually need a Meta Quest Link Cable to do that? Is setting Quest 3 for gaming as easy as plugging it into your PC? Any advice or recommendations are welcome.

>>505723428
if its ready, then whats the delay on your optimal setup? what stream settings? specs? hmd?

>>505725851
>exe
>like the god intended

>>505726587
look up how to use steam link with quest 3

>>505723428
>lostboy.exe

A thread is composed of the people who use it and that includes (You).
If you are complaining the thread is boring, it reflects to you more than anything else.
Every anon here has the way to make the experience enjoyable for everyone.
That being said, I personally think the thread is in a good spot and we can make it better still by continuing posting and shooting the shit in the thread together.

Look the WIreless vs Wired SCIENCE autism is a really good discussion recently as an example.

shut up yuki

>>505726724
I'm testing usb link at 120hz right now. Quest 2.
It takes 9 frames at 240fps, which is around 37.5ms, very close to what oculus debug reports.

Why the result is so good? Were they really cooking the test results?

>>505727217
Is that wireless setup? Is that really the best way to set it up? I dont know anything about VR and stuff but I really wanna play Alyx.

>>505728584
post the video

>>505728584
what bitrate?

>>505728640
My hand is visible on it. Need to rerecord.

>>505728784
it has to be visible to be valid

>>505728771
500mbps set through the debug settings.

>>505728940
Need to use something else to move the controller I guess. But I'm not bullshitting.

>>505728961
highly doubt that, fecode, send decode will take at least 15 ms.
hmm, oculus or steamvr openxr runtime?

>>505728784
>>505729127
What's wrong with your hand anon?

>>505729179
Oculus runtime, directly through openxr.

>>505729286
Nothing's wrong with it, but I don't want anyone to see it.

>>505729468
use a pen or something. and repeat it at least 10 times

>>505723160
cheeky crossposter. You aren't me!

>>505724234
It was actually a reply posted elsewhere, but this thread would be better if it was my blog.
It's red and green tartan for Christmas, too.

>>505724785
Well then I would say you and one or two other people are very very very very
very
very
dedicated to having autistic arguments in which you never give an inch to the other side about how the minor details of your preferred headsets are better than their competitors.
You really have a passion for it!

>>505725002
People seem to dislike when I point out to them that you can't have the based without the cringe. I think that in a misguided attempt to make our thread "better" that some people have actually made it bland.

>>505727814
>Look the WIreless vs Wired SCIENCE autism is a really good discussion recently as an example.
It's very boring when it's people angrily arguing over ~15ms differences for days and days at a time. A little autism is fun here and there but autistic tech ARGUMENTS really dominate the thread on a daily basis. People actually get mad about this stuff!
I got tired of console wars in 2008 or so.

>>505726393
Personally I don't mind blogposting at all as long as it's reasonably on topic. I'm happy to hear what other anons have to think in depth even if it could be a bit less superfluous. IMO half the appeal of vr in general is the elevated level of connection and to me that extends to thread. To be fair though I like making my occasional anonymous blogposts once every few months.

>>505723160

Cute bunny.

Anyway, if someone is not a pussy they can test it themselves.
https://files.catbox.moe/ewvl2l.zip

Grey - waiting for the button input.
Black - time delay to place the controller.
Blue - collecting data for drift compensation.
Red - ready for controller movement.
Green - controller movement detected.

Currently, default bindings are available for quest and index.
For other headsets, you really only need to bind "start_test" action.

>>505730268
>but autistic tech ARGUMENTS really dominate the thread on a daily basis
You're looking at this weirdly.
The fix to this is to not disdain and diminish autistic tech arguments, we are slow enough as is. There is more than enough space
Autistic tech arguments need to continue and even increase as they are.

What would be perfect though is if other types of posts come and roll in as well. Promote avatar and selfie and vr posting from in-game. The Explorations both NA and SEA does this well as well as PyPy as an example.

>>505730268
>boomer not interested in technology
ye....

why tf do you guys tolerate blatant avatar fagging like this

>>505730806
oh my sweet, sweet everloving summer child, you haven't seen avatarfagging before.

>>505730728
where is the code tripfag

>>505730268
There's nothing stopping you from posting VRchat images.

>>505730728
Is this Dolphin Porn?

>>505730796
it's interesting once
not every day
Especially when other interesting topics (like avatar development....) get shouted down by angry retards every time they're posted

>>505730736
>The fix to this is to not disdain and diminish autistic tech arguments, we are slow enough as is.
The funny part is when I use this same argument to justify vrchat content or a little bit of funposting it's suddenly not a good argument

>>505731119
Imagine using winrar in 2024. I bet you bought a licence too.

>>505730990
I'm only tripfagged to post the exe.

>>505731119
Do any scan you want. I'm not doing anything weird there.
No internet connections or file access.

>>505730736
Oh to add to this I really love the webms the boner lab anons make. God I wish I can play bonerlabs with the vros...

>>505728584
post the video tripfag

>>505666623
groked it
https://pastebin.com/308yWUyM

>>505730728

>>505730736
Feel free to make a VR thread on /soc/ if you want a SFW place for selfies and interpersonal drama.

>>505731473
why would you even post this baseless ai hallucination as an answer to actual tested data?

>>505731670
unzip the exe and do the scan again
it's a false positive because of the hosting/compression

>>505731107
I don't care that much desu. The only reason we're even having this conversation is because anon threw an absolute SHITFIT over my decision to crosspost my event announcement in multiple places.

It's not like I showed up to complain. I showed up to post an event announcement and anon got in my face about it.

>>505731412
I enjoy those too. I need to give bonelabs another try.

>>505731869
I'm not unzipping this

>>505731859
Quoted the wrong post but the point still stands. We can have VRChat content in this thread without obliterating our standards.

>>505732042
let's wait till someone does it in a virtual machine, so people can stop pissing their pants then

>>505730806
you don't even know what avatarfagging is, newfag

>>505731867
made you reply

>secure edge (literally who?): malicious
It's over. I guess it doesn't like that I packed the shader files into the exe.

>>505730934
>>505732285
ok retard

>>505731859
I'm just gonna continue to post VR exploration photos, haha, I know I know it pains you to see them, but hahahaha, I'm just gonna.

>>505732005
One of the anons may have been aggressive but they have a point.

>>505732850
I'm fine with exploration photos or end of event/lobby group photos. The exploration ones are topical and show off interesting maps most of the time, which people often ask for a link to.
Ritual avatarfaggotry and vagueposting can stay in the past or on /trash/.

>>505732669
See you in 48hours.

>>505731368
Where is the video of controller being poked trip fag?

>>505733360
Where is the trip?

>>505732829

>>505733028
I care about promoting my event, not to provide exclusive content in an attempt to rehabilitate the thread. Especially when I've already told you guys multiple times what the problem was!

Speaking of which:
There will be a Christmas Santa's lap event* on Saturday, December 21st! I have arranged for a very special guest Santa to be available to hear your Christmas wishes! Come see him!
I hope to see you there!

>>505733547
>I care about promoting my thread
Freudian slip?

>>505728584
Post the video. Compare it with VRChat bench anyway. I don't care about your psychosis about vrchat use, just fucking do it.

Also I don't believe you can go lower than Display Port connection when you need to encode, transmit, decode, and then copy the frame over internal eDP connection from quest 2 gpu to displays.

There is one thing though: Carmak. Rift CV1 was 20 ms faster compared to Index in that study. What if that super optimised code still lives in the oculus runtime and somehow shaves 20ms of the baseline?

You still need to test in vrchat benchmark and using SteamVR as OpenXR runtime. This is only starting to get interesting.

But you have to post the video. Extraordinary claims, require prooves. The other anons tests have a whole google drive of raw verifiable slow mo. You don't have anything.

>>505730268
why would I give an inch to someone who is objectively wrong?

>>505730728
>no source code
>exe
sorry lil bro maybe next time

>>505730806
cause our jannies won't prune it

>>505733484
Where is the video?

>>505733801
Just a minor typo. Too much talking about threads!

>>505733934
I dunnoooooooooooo maybe people just have personal preferences and where one person might care about a small number of ms image time another person might prefer not to have to deal with a cord or whatever.
The fact that SOME PEOPLE seem completely unable to let other people have their opinions and have to argue about it DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY ever since the first anon decided he liked his xbox more than the playstation and he really didn't like the fact that some other anon liked his playstation more is really why I do not like console wars.

>>505733926
the dude is a fag who uses Windows, a M eta headset, and for SOME REASON draws the line at needing to use their Steam or Meta account to log in to VRChat as a guest
he also didn't provide source code for a precompiled binary distributed via catbox so he can go fuck himself

>>505730268
>I think that in a misguided attempt to make our thread "better" that some people have actually made it bland.
This sounds like lawyer words. What are the specific attempts "to make our thread 'better' " that you disagree with?

If the problem is the guys telling others to stop posting pictures from VR be it selfies or exploration then I agree with you.
If the problem is keeping the wholesome(non-lewd) posting here in /vrg/ properly then I would disagree with you.

>>505733750
>not to provide exclusive content
But it's not exclusive though? Your /vrlg/ friends can still join your event even if it was posted just here in /vrg/. They just need to look here too. /vrg/ and /vrlg/ are one in the same in my eyes. It's the same community. To keep it the same community, anons must look at both threads. One for wholesome one for lewd used properly on the correct time, place and occassion.

>Try the furry porn game In Heat
>Confusing controls
>Vore settings
>Scaling settings
>Explains to make yourself tiny and walk toward mouth
>Absolutely fucking terrifying experience
>Actually swallows you and you end up in stomach acid
>Turn off game and go to bed

Wild

>>505734347
you're retarded. It's an actual crowdsourced comparison, based on hard data. Barely anyone ever done measurements like this, and not even once it had been done on wifi connected headsets. This is actual anons doing an actual investigation not a fucking fanboy console war.

>>505734347
you're a massive faggot if you can't handle some hardware discussions inbetween THE LITERAL FUCKING YEARS OF THE SAME VRCHAT DRAMA AND EVENTS literally every other moment

>>505734607
Also a lying faggot, I just tried logging in into vrchat using steam account and it JUST FUCKING WORKS. I even have an option to link my steam account to vrchat account, because I never done it.

>>505735136
fuck now I need to find my email to type in that stupid confirmation code to log in into my normal account again.

>>505733926
>>505734291
https://files.catbox.moe/5b5bhp.mp4

>>505735136
That's because they already track you through the "cookies" and ip.
On a new steam account and a fresh machine, they force account creation right away. Even with residential ip.

>>505735490
>
That's because they already track you through the "cookies" and ip.
>On a new steam account and a fresh machine, they force account creation right away. Even with residential ip.

Schizo. Record a video of you not being able to log in

>>505734620
>But it's not exclusive though?
Anon was asking me to post exclusively in one location. No thank you! He's welcome to his opinion but I disagree with it.

>/vrg/ and /vrlg/ are one in the same in my eyes. It's the same community.
I don't agree!
The monkeysphere is too large, there are interconnected groups but no cohesive community.
There are people who browse both places but there are also most certainly people who only browse one or the other.

>>505735490
hand spotted

>>505735598
Last time I tried two years ago.
Anyway, not using vrchat. Don't care.

And Quest called home one time, right after I bought it. After that it didn't have internet access.

>>505730806
Avatarfagging is fine when it's not in extreme excess

>>505735490
bro vrchat literally has a switch account button build into it despite being against alts for some reason

>>505735898
>And Quest called home one time, right after I bought it.
your quest called your house?

>>505735898
>After that it didn't have internet access.
shame the desktop software does lol

>>505736202
It doesn't. Learn how to use firewall.

>>505736192
Zuccshed. It wants to do that constantly actually. Just check the logs.

>>505736456
you're on windows retard

>>505735490

Interesting, I see movement at frame 1444 and HMD turns green at 1452.

frame number start of movement frame number red hmd camera FPS delay frames slow mo delay
1444 1452 240 8 0,0333333333333333

33 ms? with compression?

>only one poke
How I'm supposed to estimate the uncertainty?

How do I know it's not running on the headset natively? I don't see a desktop preview.

Hey, wait a second. Why doesn't it turn back red when controller stops moving? Did you just make an app which turns green on a timer and poked your controller just in time?

This all weird.

>>505736456
>Zuccshed
wut
so your quest is calling your house phone or what?

>>505734347
It may unironically be time that everyone stops pretending "opinions" are rational decisions that can be justified.

>>505728614
link cable will require meta's desktop app which is bloated abandonware. It will look like ass while consuming a masive amount of performance.

Steam Link is free and simple, but for image quality and other features, buying virtual desktop (on the quest native store) is worth it. SteamLink still has nothing like Snapdragon Super Resolution so it's pretty blury
>inb4 4-eyed faggots say steamlink looks fine

>>505734807
>>505734747
look at this post: >>505733934
this is console wars
i know you've been here since all summer, but i've had the misfortune of having to read posts like these since early man carved his first xboxes and playstations out of stone

>>505736620
>this is console wars
i'll take vr hardware dicussion which disproves questie retardation and false claims over vrchat drama and tranny talk
get fucked retard

>>505730268
dropping pypy to become a trash leaderfag is pretty sad no matter how you slice it

>>505736501
>Why doesn't it turn back red when controller stops moving?
It doesn't. When?
>How I'm supposed to estimate the uncertainty?
How many do you need?
>I don't see a desktop preview.
There is no desktop preview window. It's a console app with direct openxr access.
I guess I can show oculus debug preview if you want.

>>505733750
I can't wait for your Christmas orgy, mommy. I'll be sure to show up with my best trash avatar.

>>505733926
>What if that super optimised code still lives in the oculus runtime and somehow shaves 20ms of the baseline?
>>505679931 pic shows the data and back then Rift S software was the prototype for Quest, to the point their runtimes were eventually unified. Rift S had a higher latency in that data but the refresh rate is lower, which as the Index shows resulted in higher latency too. The potential latency of a wired Oculus 90Hz slam tracked headset was probably pretty close to the OG Rift.

>>505737016
Well it's supposed to turn back red when controller is not moving anymore, yet it never turns back to red it stays green forever


>How many do you need?
at least 10-20

>There is no desktop preview window. I
Oculus has a preview, steam vr has a preview, it shows exactly what compositor is sending to the headset.

Use VRChat bench, I'm really interested how your setup will work there. Please stop being a paranoid schizo just for 5 minutes.

>>505723160
>It's shills arguing over whether wires or wireless headsets are better.
People talking about vr headsets? On virtual reality general? The horror. /vrg/ has fallen.

>>505736818
hey look, it's a generic hdmi cable! I bet it has like 15ms more latency than a proprietary cable! go chase it!

>>505736934
I'll probably go back to pypy, but:
I hosted pypy every monday, tuesday, and thursday for several years. I was also there longer each night than almost everyone because most people drift in 15-30 minutes late. And it goes from 9-11 PM my time which is 1) relatively late and 2) during prime time for doing other stuff.
That's six hours of prime time a week.
I did it for a very long time and when this raid tier started in XIV I decided to take a break from pypy and reclaim some of my free time.

It doesn't help that NA pypy has a very strong culture of being quiet and dancing. Dancing silently to the same songs every night...well, I won't say it's boring but I need to take a break for awhile.
I also wanted to save my muscles for some more intensive work outs with actual equipment for awhile.

>>505736530
>Why doesn't it turn back red when controller stops moving?
I read that incorrectly.

The way the app works is explained in >>505730728 , if you are afraid to download the exe and test yourself.
Basically you have to press the button and go through every step (calibration etc) for every test.
It switches from green to grey after a delay.

>>505737534
i think you're just a retarded troon

>>505737306
> wired Oculus 90Hz
USB connection is not "wired" it doesn't send video to hmd directly, like Display Port/HDMI would. It still does that H264 encode/transmit/decode dance. It has to take more time than OG Rift/Rift S. Well it does. Maybe it's Carmack magic. Try steamvr, try wireless with your app. Try a real wired vr headset with your app. Send the source code over.

Why doesn't it change color back to red huh?

>>505737514
hate to say it bro but staying on-topic all the time with no drama or schizophrenia is so reddit

>>505737624
i have more hours played in pavlov than you and your five closest friends combined

>>505737534
Yuru you are being retarded, this is relevant VR hardware discussion

>>505737841
>pavlov
lol
your point?

>>505737841
>hate to say it bro but staying on-topic all the time with no drama or schizophrenia is so reddit
Wait, that's your position here? You're non-ironically upset because there's too much vr discussion and not enough drama in the thread right now? Jesus christ man, get a fucking grip.

>>505737889
Our mommy turned lewd and now doesn't even care about pypy or VR hardware. :(

>>505737889
Console wars is valid video game discussion but it was also the cancer killing /v/. Same with league of legends threads, again, completely on-topic video game discussion but also the cancer killing /v/.

But you're right, I'm kinda retarded to get sucked into this especially when the whole reason I visited was to VERY INNOCENTLY announce an event I was hosting and ended up getting drawn into an argument with the council of no-fun.

>>505738172
>>505738234
don't be mean to me
I just came here to VERY INNOCENTLY announce my event and anon started shit

>>505738172
The main reason he gives for giving up and turning trash is that we are "no fun" here, meaning he wants to avatarfag all day without people calling him out.

>>505733750
can I be an unpaid elf instead and by that I mean show up uninvited as an elf and just stand behind santa and watch menacingly

>>505738293
We are having fun investigating VR systems end to end delay, here, ok?
We are VR enthusiasts here, ok?
If you don't like VR enthusiasts discussing minute details of VR headsets, maybe you should find a better thread?

>>505738464
I actually do need a couple of elves to help direct and socialize with people waiting in line.

>>505738293
>visited
your words betray you faggot

>>505737704
I'm not who you think you're arguing with. I'm just pointing out that software kept the low latency despite the drastic change in tracking method and that a Rift S successor might have had similar latency as the OG Rift.
For what it's worth, SteamVR is suboptimal on any Meta headset due to the translation layer but the VRChat devs built their entire game around it so there's no way around the performance and latency impact it has.

>>505738735
I think I want to get that long USB 3 cable to try with Pico now afterall....

>>505738484
You're being dishonest here by removing nuance from a nuanced conversation.
You took these posts:
>>505730268
>>505733934
and went AAAA YURU HATES ALL HARDWARE DISCUSSION GOTTEM
no
I hate console wars
Which there is a lot of on this thread and you're being dishonest to pretend otherwise.

>>505738596
I don't really post here at all anymore, that's true. I have the thread open in a tab all the time and lurk but it's rare when I see something I actually want to comment on.

I really only ever post to announce events.

>>505738921
>I hate console wars
then stop console warring over hardware discussion vs troonchat events/drama lmao
this isn't YOUR thread
you won't dictate what anons talk about
stop avatarfagging and namedropping yourself too while you're at it
you're supposed to be anonymous, faggot
>but it's rare when I see something I actually want to comment on.
then why do I see your avatarfag posts enough to remember they happen?

>>505739113
>this isn't YOUR thread
I would remind you of the same :^)
I'm glad that's settled I'll post my event announcements where I want to

>>505739746
do it without your avatar too!

>>505731412
>God I wish I can play bonerlabs with the vros...
What keeps you?

>>505672085
Nice, can't wait

>>505739938
It's hosted at 3 AM my time

>>505739836
no I think I'll keep posting my avatar when I want to do that, too

>>505740013
you don't belong here

>>505737406
Is this enough?
https://files.catbox.moe/r6rqcr.mp4
Single take, multiple tries with a couple of fuckups.

>>505731412
is she ok?

>>505740305
Anime girls temporarily go to sleep when killed in Bonelabs.

>>505740003
aw shit

You can host your own instance in your timezone and see if anons will join. Decide on day/hour, give it a fair warning couple days beforehand, use EU modpack, start the server up, share join code. It's easy, it's also easy to be a host because boners are mostly about anons spontaneously fucking around, so you don't even need an idea or a goal. I'll add any avatar that appears in thread to the pack, so if it'll catch up, don't worry about anything, your effort won't be going any further than announcing the game and starting the server

>>505740771
T-thanks for the suggestion but I don't have enough energy to host any more instances/games. Kinda just wanna join other anon's hosted stuff now which I do join when possible by my schedule.

>>505736608
>Snapdragon Super Resolution
new AI slop cope?

>>505691157
>M3 Mini
>Neck Power Bank
You know you can add-on their B2 hotswap battery to the M3 mini, right? Why would you wear one of those uncomfortable af things?

>>505740180
I would remind you that "here" is the year 2024. You're posting in a small, sleepy thread on a board that was created solely to be containment for League of Legends threads. A board that is now 60% gacha games and 15% Final Fantasy 14. You're in approximately thread #1658 of a GENERAL THREAD that is maintained 24/7 on a drip of content.
You're attempting to enforce rules that were created for serious boards /a/ during a time when the very concept of general threads was not allowed on 4chan.

You're a caveman squatting upon the ruins of what was once a great place, misinterpreting rules that were not made for you and were created to protect a place that no longer exists.

>noooo you guys keep bullying me for avatarfagging. I'm going to go host orgies on trash instead, people are nicer to you when you put out!

>>505741103
all im hearing from you is troonspeak
neck yourself and fuck off back to trash faggot

>>505723160
I do wish people would care about the community more. They scoff at the idea of a 4chan community made up of people from 4chan. They scoff at the culture we used to all share. Now the only thing that matters to them is their Discord groups made up of whoever makes them horny with the community and /vrg/ itself being a distant 2nd or 3rd concern if that.

>>505741205
nta but he's right and you have been pwned, unless the guy is a dopamine burnout, then I retract my statement.

>>505740725
you can even enable knockout instead of a kill for extra humanitarian value. whether it's more humanitarian to just let people die instead of letting others play with their unconscious body is a subject to discussion though

oh boy its a shitfit episode. welp, back to the model kit then.

>>505741523
xey/xem eminate a "better than thou" attitude and deserve the utmost contempt for attempting to wrestle control of THEIR sweet precious general
if its not tranny drama content or boring repeat events in one particular VR platform they get really sad about it despite being a 40+ year old lawyer

>>505740292
>https://files.catbox.moe/r6rqcr.mp4
should be fine. I'm also doing additional wired tests on my pico. USB2 though

>>505740292
btw, what's your resolution per eye? The one ecoder encodes at?

>>505742273
And just so you know, I'm not faking anything.
There is something weird going on with your wireless results.

>>505742441
Pic related. 2704x2736. Everything maxed out.

Iron Rebellion just left early access and is now 1.0 release. It got some new augs, rebalance, few extra maps and better UI.

Bad news is that there's now progression and everything is level locked.
Good news is that all your saved loadouts still work even if they use stuff you don't have unlocked.
Neutral news is that leveling is pretty fast.

Lobby on Saturday evening.

https://waitbutwhy.com/2024/02/vision-pro.html
Are you getting the vision pro 2 (vp2)?

>>505742680
nobody is faking anything
all of my tests were done on the same system the same way
still have more to do

>>505742826
I'm not saying someone is faking, but the wireless results are fucking weird.

>>505742701
single player campaign? Not interested in another DoA multiplayer only /vrg/ plays if at all, a FOTM at best

>>505743056
It's way more alive than Vox but campaign is coming next year.

>>505735490
this video looks so schizo if you don't know this is a framerate test

>>505742701
lol fuck off

>>505743702
It's crossplay with Quest and guess where most players are. There's usually 2-3 lobbies going.

>>505743056
Their roadmap shows a single campaign for 1.5

>>505742680
impressive...
It's not wireless imho, it's all results. Being skewed by vrchat or steamvr, or something.
Looking how on linux wired headset on monado stack can get + 20ms compared to linux steamvr, it must be a fully software issue.

Your results runs some barebones application using Oculus runtime, which is completely different software stack. Still no source code...
You should really test my vrchat map version in steamvr. To see the difference between mines and yours software stacks. This is really interesting.

>>505678208
Assetto Corsa starting now, server details are in the previous post if youy're interested.

>>505742680
Can you film a computer clock showing seconds and milliseconds with the same slow-mo settings? Metadata says 240 FPS, but if somehow it's 120, then our our results would match.

What happened to that prefab that would let you browse shit together with people?

>>505744491
You can hear the sound.
I don't even know how would you fake it. I can do it if it's ABSOLUTELY necessary.

>>505741103
General threads have existed for well before /vg/ was being considered as an addition and a variety of boards had them. Backlinked threads very uncommon but almost ever specialty board had some flavor of general threads. I don't recall when people started numbering them though.

>>505744767
it's a thing I would love to double check. Your results are VERY interesting.
And please post your app source code.

>>505744264
I'm willing to believe this is mostly due to SteamVR and OpenVR. If you look through MSFS forums you'll see people reporting insane latency when running the Steam version on WMR headsets compared to running native MS store version directly through OpenXR.

>>505744767
Just like 10 seconds would be enough. I'm not saying you faked it, maybe phone manufacturer is faking it.

>>505744884
The first general thread was the toaru majutsu no indekkusu (aka index) threads on /a/.
a bitter battle was fought over whether they should exist or not and it was originally ruled that no, they could not have a general thread
but time passed and eventually the mods capitulated and allowed general threads which led to league of legends general and eventually /vg/

I think when the mods cucked on general threads was truly the beginning of the end

>>505736608
>desktop app which is bloated abandonware
it's not abandonware and they update it all the time, also the "bloat oculus home" was removed long ago, it's less bloated than steam home

>>505745229
/g/ is all generals it feels like.

>>505744869
Based as fuck. My only wish is that I could service yuru for her pleasure.

>>505744912
>And please post your app source code.
You are not going to be able to compile unless I also ship my whole build system. I wrote my own tools, everything is custom.

>>505745080
It's an iphone. But anyway, here it is
https://files.catbox.moe/shbng2.mp4

>>505745551
t-terry sama??

>>505745229
I think generals are nice because a cohesive community can form with them.

>>505745551
At 50 megabits, low resolution, USB2.0 encoding took 3 ms, transmition, took 1 ms and decode 2-3 ms. I made it somehow as fast as loading up the vrchat world in standalone pico. This kinda makes no sense anymore.

>>505745551
>I wrote my own tools, everything is custom.
laughing my ass off holy shit

>>505745551
>You are not going to be able to compile unless I also ship my whole build system. I wrote my own tools, everything is custom.
BRUH

>>505745551
Checks out.

Well your direct use app, on oculus runtime, managed 38 ms on average. This is not the same as running a real game on steam VR, but it is a bottom estimate of what's possible. I kinda want to run that exe now....

>>505745551
It all checks out, now test the VRChat bench.

>>505745551
LMAO MY GOD ANON THE AUTISM

>>505745384
/g/ was also always full of tripfags furfags, troons and altchan niggers so think twice if thats the example you want to follow

>>505746708
I think what oculus runtime and low level app did is slash some of the baseline rendering delay/buffors delay.

Like if it can slash 20 ms, then on steamvr in vrchat that setup should achieve 58 ms. Which would still be pretty impressive.

Right now the low level self written app quest 2 @ 120 Hz over usb (38 ms) is on par with VRChat + SteamVR on Vive Pro 2 @ 120 Hz over DP (36 ms).

I really, really want to know your delays in vrchat benchmark.

>>505744264
>Being skewed by vrchat or steamvr, or something.
I've long wanted to further compare the versions of VRChat so this is interesting to hear. The devs claim implementing OpenXR is a huge rework for them so the Steam version still uses OpenVR which leaves the Rift store version as the only way to use the Oculus runtime. Anecdotally the latter runs better for me but I don't have a camera capable of high framerate recording otherwise I'd test your map on both to determine whether there's any effect on latency.

I bought my pico half a year ago and the controllers still have not run out of battery. What kind of alien technology did they put in there?

>>505748532
How often do you use it? Quest controllers also lasted extremely long

>>505748532
mine lasted like a month then needed new AAs

>>505694468
great pypying!

https://rentry.org/vrgpypy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgiMghL-vBc&list=PLqVTVLsIotSngwpaSRWrVTODWnpWPMnGW

>>505745551
you should also really test your delays with your app, with a noisy display. Confetti, white noise texture whatever. This is all super interesting.

>>505748948
also half of the video is fucked sorry, im getting used to win11

Has Skyrim VR combat mods got better yet?
I saw the weapon collision mod a while back, has that or an alternative become properly functional?
Same with PLANCK do npcs react to being thrown around? Like could I in theory stone cold stunner a guard and chokeslam whores?
Basically what I'm asking is it still wagglin or is it closer to something like B&S?

>>505746708
Virtual Desktop. Quest 2, h264, 150mbps, 120hz, ultra. Reported latency 30ms.
https://files.catbox.moe/tlt632.mp4

>>505752265
>Reported latency 30ms.
Yep, the gay goblin is lying.

>>505752265
wifi?

>>505752582
Virtual Desktop is wifi only.

>>505752684
Virtual Desktop has 2 versions: Wired and wireless. Wired is available on Steam. Virtual Desktop from Meta App Store is wireless.

>>505752265
>240fps
holy shit, what phone?

>>505752863
The version from steam is basically "big screen vr" app. It's not for streaming.

>>505752863
>Wired is available on Steam
huh? dashboard or classic?

>>505750750
Collision worked okay, only really felt good with a shield instead of the parry mechanic. As to the rest, I’d say it’s closer to B&S, but you could probably cheese by wagglin if you wanted to.

>what's going on in the threat toda-

>>505752265
Very interesting, we can see how using wifi/steamvr/virtual desktop, immediately increases delay. VRChat might also have a frame or two buffered/prerendered.

>>505753446
Thanks, I'ma give it a go with fus and probably spend a few hours seeing what else to add and try it.
Seemed like Mad God overhaul might have all of the best gameplay mods packed in nicely but I wouldn't know because any showcase video is DUH GRAPHIX DOOD with vomit inducing textures and saturation up 400%.
At least a decade ago they'd have actual gameplay at the end of the video.

>>505754731
Full results for today and I'm fucking off to sleep

>>505754731
I fucking knew there was at least 1 frame buffered in steamvr when using my quest

>>505700895
the anime is upon us:
https://vrch.at/3ybnhwef

well, we'll start in the usual 20 minutes or so.

>>505756772
Karin and Kikyo?

>>505756197
1 frame in steam vr, 2 frames in vrchat...

>>505756178
Pico shills, your response?

>>505756178
the fuck does this mean ? big number good?

>>505758807
ye

>>505758489
Pico has the same delays in realistic VRChat + SteamVR scenario as quest 3 and pro, what do you mean?
>>505758807
ah yes incresing delay from controller motion to hand movement on the screen is good

>>505758489
>pico connect on shittiest router
>quest with virtual desktop on one of the best wifi 6 routers
ARR ROOK THE SAME

>>505758807
lower is better
>they still haven't written the goal on the chart

>>505756178
what is the custom self made engineless openxr application that no one except a test environment has? is that application replicable?

>>505759980
Read the thread above. Do you dare to run an exe by a local Teri Davis reincarnation?

>>505747073
ty for using the image i cropped from google anon o7

whats a good place to upload an episode of anime?

>>505760501
jellyfin

>>505759132
>ah yes incresing delay from controller motion to hand movement on the screen is good
Oh must have missed where that was stated on the chart.

>>505760713
On the bottom, "motion to photon latency, vrchat, ms"

>>505760569
i don't want to setup a server, i just want one time use thing for the rare occasion

>>505761001
How many are watching?

>>505760713
It's right there at the bottom
>Motion to photon latency, VRChat, ms

>>505761001
stream to a twitch account in a dead video game channel, you wont get taken down/noticed

>>505761081
my friend and i. i just remembered topazchat is a thing, i might try that

>>505757526
That's eyo on the left you black african gorilla

>>505761956
That was my second guess. I went off with the eyes. The dress is Eyo

>>505762051
tbf in chibi style karin and eyo do resemble each other

>>505761273
if you're not cgnatted and can forward ports, you can run a http fileserver on any port and serve the video to you and your friend.

>>505763073
nta but what do if you are? request a static/ port forward from ur isp?

at long last
I hope they work

>>505763303
you're pretty fucked for self-hosting if you're behind cgnat.your isp will probably charge you for a static ip on a business plan if at all. I think you'd be best off using a free-tier vps from some cloud at that point, either hosting directly or reverse proxy your home computer.

>>505748948
i couldn't pypy today because of dumb jury duty
i am sad

>>505770779
hi fs

>>505770779
Did you at least get to send someone to prison?

>>505770994
hiii!! hiiiiii!!!!
>>505771053
no lmao we all sat in the lobby waiting for 6 hours only to be told they reached a settlement instead

>>505764148

>>505775023
>Getting FBT before getting a non-default avatar
I am not sure if I should be impressed or horrified

>>505775023
Perfect tracking for a Jet Set Radio avatar

>>505775175
the pipeline works fast these days

>>505775241
mate the pipeline is installed in reverse on this one. the fluids are leaking out

>>505775023
even their fbt pipeline is compressed

>>505775175
dunno they seem to honest with themselves, "yeah im going to put a cute anime girl avatar with fbt" not even testing the waters just jumping in

>>505775175
I got my FBT when I was still a visitor after visiting a dance world and I have been dancing almost everyday for 2 years now.

>>505776551
Hayai super VR enthusiast anon

>playing vr with friend i met
>we go in public world together
>they make fun of this guy they met
>they talk about how he was 5'5, fat, and bald
>tfw i'm 5'3, chubby, and balding
i'm such a fucking loser, i wanted to cry

>>505776816
It's ok anon. We're all going to be cute anime girls forever.

>>505776816
Internalize that hurt feelings and use it to get /fit/
These little interactions we get in VR helps and you can do it safely from behind your screen.

Isn't it wonderful? You get to know a bit more of yourself from interactions in virtual reality?
Now go pick up that heavy thing and put it back down again anon!

>>505777145
>>505777154
the duality of man

>>505776816
Huggable

>>505777145
>It's ok anon. We're all going to be cute anime girls forever.
We're all gonna be cute lolibabas together!

>>505705689
fug

>>505741070
I didnt want an extra weight on my head - otherwise i would take that bobo3 strap with everything.
This way i can take it off when the headset i recharged.
I only had it on my neck for an hour or so, when i was testing it yesterday, and it wasn’t uncomfortable at all. That being said i dont have a “baseline for expectations” so idk if having that weight on my head strap would be less comfortable.
So far, the only thing i regret buying are those headphones. I am pretty much forced to use my old headphones now.

>>505781337
I find the bobover halo strap very comfortable without the battery, and the battery isn't so bad but it is a weight that can be felt. It gets so sweaty though...

>>505776816
This would only be a problem if you’re under 30. You’re not under 30, fat, short and playing VRChat are you anon?

>>505777154
I want to lose weight to build up better endurance for lengthy VR sessions and for body tracking to work better, but I am really struggling to stick to any kind of diet. What does /vrg/ recommend?

>>505783674
pick a diet and stick to it

>>505783730
I wanted to replace one meal a day with oats to cut fats and overall calories since oats are fibrous and filling, but it turns out when I am hungry my body really doesn't want oatmeal...

>>505784089
>Oats
Oats is carbs and will make you feel hungry since it lacks the nutrients you need and just gets converted to fat by your body as it becomes glucose in your blood stream.

I've had more success with a protein rich diet

>>505784214
You know if you talk about anything getting converted to fats you're a retard. Excess calories = body stores available fats

>>505784398
Not quite you must look at it on a differential basis on how much sugar stays in your blood stream at a certain length of time.

A burst of glucose will store more fats (then send you a hunger signal later) than a slow burn of protein that trickles into your blood stream.

Pic related

The blue line is the amount of glucose in your blood stream that signals the release of insulin.
Even if the green (protein) one is the same amount of total area (energy) compared to the red (carbs) based one, the signal to start pumping lots of insulin is the same.

Thus the shaded areas are the excess glucose converted into fat by your body.
A burst / shock of glucose will always store more fat than the green one
UNLESS you resist the urge to eat more.

Calories in Calories out is still king. But the red (carbs) based one makes you feel a lot hungrier and would require a lot more will power or discipline to do.

>>505785002
Luckily, oats are very low on glucose

>>505785082
Oh, I was under the impression it's just like rice. My bad.
t.asian

>>505783674
It's hard to explain quickly but some quick wins:
Count calories
REMOVE ALL EMPTY CALORIES FROM YOUR DIET COMPLETELY
When choosing what to eat, always pick the least empty calorie.
Don't touch overly processed food. Food should take time to digest. From field to plate it should have the least possible stripped from it.

>>505785002
the struggle I have with oats is twofold
>they taste like shit if you don't add fat and sugar
>a full bowl of oatmeal with no additions is less than 200 calories, so even if I had a sizeable lunch that puts me at a very deep deficit for the day.
If I eat too little, or have too many low calorie foods like oats and lettuce, I end up with difficult to control cravings. Snacking on chips, popcorn, cheese, salami, chocolate, etc will undo several days of dieting in the span of minutes. Best to not overdo it I think, and stay in control.

Maybe oats could be mixed with vegetables and meat like rice can? I am not sure how that would taste. VR has made me want this more than ever though. I fucking hate being fat, and sounding like a fat piece of shit whenever I talk, seeing the mic levels spike up from my labored fat people breathing and knowing that everyone around can hear how fat I am, even if I don't look it in VR.

>>505783674
just dont breakfast, worked for me

>>505786427
Oats can be mixed with raisins and nuts to both make it NOT TASTE LIKE ASS and get a better distribution of calories and nutrition. Not too many raisins though.
As for why sugar in fruit is okay but sugar in candies is not, see the chart above; fruit sugars take longer to tease out of the fruit body itself so the sugar spike isn't as sharp.

virtual reality?

>>505786582
Quick invite this anon into the DINNER CIRCLE

>>505786582
Lower weight makes standing up and playing VR games easier

>>505747381
Don't get me wrong, /ptg/,/csg/ and /bst/ are great, I just don't like that they are on /g/. There should be a /gg/ board for /g/ generals.

>>505786582
Fitness games are a big draw of VR. Should play more pistol whip and pypy.

>>505787847
picrel

>>505786748

I wish this was true. I weigh 52kg and standing up/playing VR games is definitely not easy for me.

>>505789134
What's the issue with it?

>>505789224

I had radical weight loss. I went to sleep one day and when I woke up I was like 7-8kg lighter. Only downside is it makes everything harder to do and I do not recommend it to anyone.

>>505789361
Oh you're a retard

cool 3d scanned church

>>505790453
New Kingdom Come Deliverance game is looking good

>>505788937
So true. That is me during world explorations

>>505790453

This is the sort of church where there is an ancient evil sealed under it. You're gonna upload that shit to the internet if you keep fucking around.

>>505791764
It's just a normal church

>>505790453
>>505792049
The 3D scanned historical sites are always nice to wander about. Hopefully they add more information placards like at real heritage tourist sites to read up on what you're seeing.

>>505792049
3d scans always look so cursed up close when people don't or can't clean them up

>>505792049

Nah I've seen this in plenty of horror films. There are 100% underground tunnels in this church and there is shit down there you don't want to mess with.

>>505792119
Lots of them do, like this one. I forgot what this one said but I think it's a serbian church.

what is this current latency autism?
qrd please

>>505792258
Do they have a tag to make it easy to search? I remember a lot of these maps were by one dude who added flying propellers at the start of the map along with a short spiel.

>>505792627
A man of great autism produced a VRChat test world to specifically test the delay between moving a controller and the update being registered on the headset screen (i.e. the whole pipeline). He owns an index and a pico so he got some varying results, and the testing expanded from there.

tl;dr wireless headsets and standalone headsets have a larger delay than PCVR headsets with direct video feed (no shit sherlock).

>>505783674
Cutting soda/candy and counting calories works for me even eating garbage. I'm able to hit ~1300 kcal eating fried chicken tenders every day while feeling full. It also helps to distract yourself with work, avoid snacks, and drink a lot of water. I'm down about 50lbs from mid-2023. It takes a lot of discipline, but if you get in a good deficit you will see changes very fast, in my experience.

>>505792662
Not really, finding worlds in VRC is nightmare mode. Best I got for you is to use the world ID in the image filename there and just looking through worlds made by the same guy. Since this is one of those propeller worlds made by that VR tour guy

>>505792848
>Cutting soda/candy
so first of all, cutting shit doesn't help at all if you still consume it. Yeah, the pieces might be smaller, but if you are still consuming the same amount it doesn't matter how much you cut it.
Also, soda is a liquid, how would you cut it?
Idiot.

>>505793419
You're a funny guy, anon. I like you. That's why I'm going to kill you last.

>>505793375
Ah cheers keep forgetting to do the filename thing especially with 4chanX. This Jett bloke has done loads of this historical maps I should really make my way through them.

>>505793375
>>505792662
One trick is to search on the website, for some reason it is MUCH better at it vs the ingame search. Something about what engine they use.

>>505793419
I think he meant cutting it out, not cutting it into smaller pie- oh you're doing a joke okay.
But yes that diet is actually a weak 4/4 of this list:
>>505786223

1. Calories counted
2. Remove all empty calories - All sugar at least, should remove the oil from the tendie coating but a bit of fat is better than a lot of sugar due to reason 4 below
3. Chimken, even if it's steamed off the bone and pulped beforehand is still full of chimken nutrients, fat, protein, etc. It's made from chimken and they didn't pull much out of it to make it.
4. Fat takes longer to digest so you don't get spikes in blood sugar nor big troughs between meals causing hunger. Digestion time is part of regulating hunger.

Anyone have any good compilation sites for VRChat worlds to avoid the awful search and limited favourites capacity? So far I just use this one: https://emymin.net/vr/worlds/

>>505793704
I've used vrcw before:
https://en.vrcw.net/world/detail/wrld_6ce5e6a5-89c0-4cd2-9bea-d08c339a250c

>>505793812
:(

>>505776816
>>they make fun of this guy they met

I can't tell if you're using the singular they or talking about a group of people

>>505672085
no thanks

>>505793941
I consider it a funny joke world

>>505783674

The trick to weight loss is pretty simple. If you try to make drastic changes you will fail. You have to make smaller changes over time.

Essentially you need to gradually reduce what you eat, and gradually increase what you do.
You can either go for a short walk, 15 minutes is fine and overtime increase it. If a 15 minute walk is something you cannot or wont do then you're not serious about this.

Next, write down what you eat, do this everyday for a week. Now pick out one thing from each day, and either remove it, or replace it with a lower calorie alternative. If you find yourself eating lots of snacks, it should be easy to simply remove one of these.
Then in a months time, do this again, and repeat.

If you try to rush weight loss, you will 100% fail. It's not about some meme diet or exercise routine, weight loss is about making a lifestyle change. You have to stick at it forever otherwise you'll simply regain the weight.

Personally, I'd also recommend lifting weights. Not only will this massively increase your overall fitness, you will literally shed pounds of weight, and eventually when you gain muscle mass you will look great.
But lifting weights is hard work and it's not for everyone. But if you do it and manage to stick with it, in 6 months you will notice a huge difference.

>>505787847
Skyrim is more of a fitness game then those combined if you don't use button to crouch or similar.

>>505793941
now just WHO could behind this fetish world suggestion?

>>505783674
you can loose weight fairly quickly if you microdose Methamphetamine. Start with 0.05 in the morning and before breakfast each day slowly inceasing to 0.1
If you start to see shadow people you've upped your dose too quickly.

>>505792627
Collaboration conclusions, Vrchat, full controller motion to reaction displayed on screen times, measured using slow mo footage.

Wired headsets:

90 Hz baseline is 40 ms
are slighly slower than connected monitors showing the game window?
Vive Wireless adds around 10 ms, resulting around 50 ms total, which kinda makes sense, as there must be a frame buffer somewhere?

Wifi connected headsets:

at 50 megabits, which looks pretty bad, you can get near the vive pro wireless delay, but still 10-20 ms slower (57-70 ms overall, depending on scene complexity)
at around 150 megabits, which looks better, you get around 80 ms delay - double that to display port connected headset
at 400 megabits when compression artifacts start to be less noticable you get 110 ms delay, which is quite a lot, explains why people report that they are less accurate in shooter games
faster wifi does not help with latency, but allows higher video bandwith at a cost of latency
Pico Connect seems to be as good as Virtual Desktop at equivalent bitrates and video encoders, latency wise. Makes sense as all our collaborators use NVIDIA video cards, Pico Connect and Virtual Desktop use the same GPU hardware encoders, and both Pico and Quest are XR2 devices with the same decoders.
virtual desktop "total delay" seems to be missing 40 ms compared to full motion to photon delay.
Using USB cable shouldn't change the total delay dramatically, but might reduce some of the transmission delay (it does)

Linux:

opensource Monado and ALVR linux VR stack seems to have quite more latency on wired and wifi headsets, like there are 2-3 frames delay added.

Overall:

steam vr/vrchat might be adding 1-2 frames frame buffer. Low level direct OpenXR apps can reduce latency by using oculus runtime directly and not prefendering ahead of time

Full results:
>>505759132

>Pico 4 charges faster off a USB port if it's in sleep mode compared to powering it off
How the fuck does this work?

>>505800347
PD negotiation requires XR2 cpu?

>>505800347
uhhhhh
power delivery negotiations tied to OS maybe

>>505800709
>>505800751
Seems dumb but might be it. Shouldn't this mean it would charge faster from the power brick too? Haven't actually tested that yet.

The two weeks are up. Pre-orders open
https://www.steamVR.com/

>>505802323
https://valveprism.com/ holy shit!!!!

>>505799915
Yeah, but why does any of this matter? Are you saying the time spent playing my steam library through VD on my quest was some sort of fake ‘fun’ and I’ve been getting bamboozled this whole time? It felt like I was having fun but now I’m unsure

>>505805181
Firstmost reason: autism
Second: an objective quantification on wireless feeling of "sluggishness" and loss of accuracy in fast paced shooter games compared to wired headsets.

>>505805181
There's nothing fake about it, it's just more responsive over a cable. For single player games it's reasonably meaningless but if you're playing low-reponse-time twitch shooters it'll matter.

>>505805306
>wireless feeling of "sluggishness"
I don't feel that at all.
But I guess you are the equivalent of audiophiles and their gold coated cables or something.

>>505805569
Depends in your bitrate, and experience with wired headsets. Humans can adapt quite a lot

Pavlov and Contractors via VDXR don't feel sluggish at all and it reflects in the scoreboard
The only legit autism case for this whole ordeal is rythm games where hitting a note 15ms off will fuck up your score

This little fucker doesnt work with quest 3
Stay away from it, if you are considering to get a usb splitter
Does anyone have a link to one that works? I want a battery and pc cable to work at the same time

>>505805729
Consider wireless

>>505805729
Just use wireless
If you really insist on wires, there are usb3 cables with power injection

>>505805769
>Consider wireless
unplayable because of the sluggishness

>>505805925
Reminder, if its not Display Port, it wont change much, latency and bandwith wise. So just use wifi6

>>505805938
The wire has a similar amount of slug though, it's literally an encoding thing not a data transfer thing

>>505805938
>Conflating display port with usb data connection which still has compression

>>505802323
>>505802427
I'll assume this is fake due to the lack of responses.

>>505808550
It is

>>505764148
>>505775023
i got these as backups to my tracker setup, they're serviceable

>>505808550
It's an old fake too

>>505775023
Why are all your pics/videos full of compression artifacts?

>>505809614
Compressionlets don't even see them

>>505809614
What compression artifacts? Looks crisp and clean to me.
t. Browsing 4chan in my Quest with VD wireless, leashcucks check their eyes.

>>505806024
That kinda goes against everything we discovered yesterday, but alright.

>>505809614
looking for compression artifacts is vrg brainrot

>>505811361
No it doesnt. The thing we discovered yesterday is about low level app beingable tonuse oculus runtime directly and that beats steamvr and vrchat, which most likely have a frame buffer or two both. Its a result which measured completely different stack, demonstrating what is possible at lowest level, if the software world was better...

>>505812505
But even in apples to apples comparison, usb oculus at 500mbps still beat vd at 150mbps by 10ms+.
And I wouldn't say it's a completely different software stack, more like just lack of unity cancer.

EU anime tonight at 7:30PM UTC we're watching Sengoku Youko ep33, Mecha-ude ep11 and Dandadan ep11

>>505813239
Its not apples to apples.

One is low level app speaking directly to oculus openxr runtime which handles everything

Second is low level app speaking to steamvr openxr which then speaks to virtual desktop and wifi.

Dragon Fist VR tonight at 19:00 GMT, my fist hungers for battle.

>>505814620
And with USB wired hmd, games running on SteamVR will have a few layers before they get to oculus link and oculus runtime.

There will be always additional delay, unless you only run openxr games which speak directly to openxr oculus runtime, and no encoding. As I remind you that cv1 had 20 ms delay.

Need to test a dp wired hmd with a low level openxr app steamvr but our Tery refuses to give the source code.

>>505813239
But also there is slight reduction delay over a wire compared to a shitty wifi connection, as you can see with pico connect + VRChat tests over usb2. But it only reduces one small part of the whole delay chain.

>>505787593
you know you can just filter generals, right

>>505815237
>refuses to give the source code.
It's not like you will find a hidden backdoor (if there is any) even if you have the source code if the author is malicious, assuming you can compile it in the first place.
Someone need to test the app with an index anyway, maybe on a fresh windows install if they are paranoid.

Deck your desk with bows of holly
Falalalalalalala
Come to LOCO and be jolly
Falalalalalalala
Starts at 19:30 UTC, look for the link here or join on big gaz

>>505815995
>>505815237
The exe was submitted to the monkeys who detected a false positive. >>505733321
They said it will take 48 hours+.

do i need to charge the quest and the battery strap seperately with two usb cables? what wattage or whatever do i need

>>505816758
I believe this specific models charges the back battery first before spilling into the internal quest battery so you only need one cable connected at the back. Internal quest battery charges at 22~ ish watts max while the strap battery should be 45.

>>505805569
have you ever used a wired headset?
no, oculus link doesn't count as that requires compression

>>505816195
Delay, deny, defend.

>>505813239
>But even in apples to apples comparison, usb oculus at 500mbps still beat vd at 150mbps by 10ms+.
cutting out the network part of the stack should reduce latency by 4-6ms so that's not too far-fetched
high bitrates will cause the decoder to struggle though

>>505815995
>Someone need to test the app with an index anyway
considering its a special snowflake build for oculus runtime... good luck lmao

>>505817705
didnt he say he made it for openxr? only the bindings are hardcoded for quest controllers

>>505817705
It's a generic OpenXR application.
It even has index controllers bindings.

>>505817765
Hardcoded was a wrong word. Suggested bindings were only for quest before, but index was added too.

>>505817765
he said many things
>>505742680 shows oculus runtime, in theory other OpenXR compatible runtimes should work?
>>505745551 says we can't compile it
its also precompiled for windows only and a closed-source blob so I won't be touching it with a 10ft pole

>>505817638
Usb over long wire is not that much faster than wif, bandwith wise.

>>505817891
dude just clean it up and release the source

>>505818261
bandwidth no, since encode/decode still exists and will bottleneck harder as you increase bitrate
removing the network transport piece itself will give you a small gain in latency for sure though

>>505818407
Yea

>>505817638
>high bitrates will cause the decoder to struggle though
Decoding is not the problem. USB link proves that XR2 can chew through 500mbps h264 easily, on unknown encoder settings though.
>>505818149
Runtime is what the headset uses.
The application only assumes there is a generic OpenXR interface. Everything that provides it will work, theoretically, only tested with q2 through link and vd though.

>>505818306
its not like it matters anyway since all that matters is the delta between various setups and devices assuming the same baseline test is used
literally just take >>505759132 full chart and compute the baseline lowest result (read: minimum) and then represent the rest as a delta from that
there, you've removed the vrchat map confusing people with latency totals

>>505818568
>Decoding is not the problem
yet it is when it makes up the vast majority of overall latency
any streaming debug view with latencies broken out make this immediately apparent that the XR2 chip struggles at high bitrates very quickly as you ramp them up

>>505818665
33ms 2704x2736 per eye at 500mbps is proven to be possible.
XR2 is more capable than people generally believe.

dont care, still using quest pro with steam link

>>505818898
>33ms 2704x2736 per eye at 500mbps is proven to be possible.
you're 100% positive that oculus link was sending 500mbps CBR to show a static singular color and not using a low bitrate for a simple scene with zero noise?

>>505818912
no one is trying to take away your setup from you
we just decided to disprove some falsehoods that were getting shilled

>>505819010
Not 100%, but I used it when playing games.
Oculus Debug UI latency is proven to be a reliable source of data.
In hl2vr in the sewers the picture quality was much better with a hard scene (dark + red barrels), yet the latency was still 33ms.

But I will add a particle spawner today, just to test and be 100% sure.

>>505819340
>Oculus Debug UI latency is proven to be a reliable source of data.
would've been nice to supply this with the video for the test earlier then, like what was used to show VD, Pico Connect, and ALVR estimates
>But I will add a particle spawner today, just to test and be 100% sure.
this will be handy since noise will challenge any encode/decode pipelines for sure, that red box from the map absolutely destroyed ALVR when set to 1000mbps (ie: the view froze when looking at it)

thats a lot of words that im not going to read

>>505816049
>bows of holly
ACKSHUALLY its 'boughs of holly'

>>505820683
I'll bough you

>>505705689
Looks like I'll have to reinstall Pavlov

>>505663212 (OP)
NA /vrg/ soccer instance will start at around 11:15pm EST tomorrow (Friday), slightly earlier than usual so it doesn't extend into the dance.

Final match of the group stage will be this Saturday, December 14th against /nepgen/ @ 21:00 UTC/4:00pm EST.
NA watch will probably be around the same 11:15/11:30pm EST time.

no one watches this shit

>>505825157
>Quest 3 not horribly compressed too
Shame

New headset from Samsung. Appears to be MR focused headset like the AVP. Part of a collaboration with Google, and apparently runs an android-based system.

https://news.samsung.com/global/unlock-the-infinite-possibilities-of-xr-with-galaxy-ai

>>505825213
People still come out to watch the games in the VRChat instances in high numbers.
But in terms of just this thread itself though you might just be right. The thread is a shell of its former self and so is interest in the soccer team.
This might be our last tournament if it turns out no one from the thread actually gives a shit anymore.
This is something I've been thinking about for awhile and I'd rather not continue to run the team for a dead general that doesn't care anymore if that's truly what the reality of the situation is now.

>>505825498
Someone will port ALVR to it I guess

>>505825498
>applel copy
its all so tiresome

>>505825498
man koreans sure are creative

>>505826139
Sorry bud but there's only so much CPU v CPU soccer I can watch over the span of decade

>>505825157
>>505826139
Don't force yourself if you're not enjoying it, but know that I would be sad. Thank you for all the work you've done over the years.

>>505826139
i had a high interest at first when i thought all of vrg would get equal interest and representation but like pavlov man for the vrfps people etc
but the roster never represented all of vrg it always felt like it represented haloboys and vrchat only
so i stopped giving a fuck

>>505826523
yea i prefer NPC v NPC soccer

>>505826139
desu the issue that commenting the matches in real time here is forbidden because people are watching it later in VR is kind of a bummer

>>505826364
>meta old yeller's quest pro
>korea goes under marshall law (for 6 hours)
>samsung makes qpro clone

i fucking knew gooks cant be trusted