/vrg/ - Virtual Reality General #1793

Thread 546308285 · 11/12/25(Wed)22:34:07 UTC · 822 posts, 104 images. Archived from 4chan /vrg/; deleted posts are not shown.

Anonymous No.546308285 Replies: >>546308335 >>546308440 >>546385026
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"Virtual Reality, Real Suffering"
oh my god it actually happened, face tracker in two weeks edition

Headset Selection: https://rentry.org/vrgheadsets
Game Recommendations: https://rentry.org/gxrov
VRC Screenshots by World: https://vrg.party/worlds.html
Archive: https://archive.vrg.party/

>Game Resources
Assets: https://vrg.booru.org/
Guides for Avatar and World Dev: https://rentry.org/4tzqs
Assetto Corsa: https://rentry.org/hrq69
WRC Club: https://rentry.org/vrgwrc23
VTOL VR: https://rentry.org/5nuk4
Minecraft (Dungeon Crawling): https://crawler.vrg.party
Fallout 4: https://rentry.org/pofw5
Bonelab: https://rentry.org/bonerlabeu

>Regularly Hosted Multiplayer Games
Monday - EU Assetto Corsa: 19:00 UTC / 20:00 CET (every other week)
Tuesday - EU Pavlov: 19:00 UTC / 20:00 CET
Wednesday - NA Assetto Corsa: 8PM ET
Thursday - NA Walkabout Minigolf: 10PM ET
Friday - NA Pavlov: 11PM ET (every other week)
Friday - EU VRFPS: 19:00 UTC / 20:00 CET (Game varies, watch the thread)
Saturday - SEA/EU Walkabout Minigolf: 13:00 UTC / 23:00 AEST

>Regularly Hosted VRChat Events
https://rentry.org/mxotqvmh
>Current Active VRChat Instances
https://anchor.vrg.social/

New threads: >>>/vg/vrg
Old thread: >>546266831 (Cross-thread)

>Upcoming Events
Furniture Event - November 22
Christmas Party - December 13
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>>546308285 (OP)
>face tracker in two weeks edition
Anonymous No.546308557 Replies: >>546308784 >>546309013
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>no mention of lighthouse compatibility
hope you enjoy your $1000 paperweights, no refunds btw
Anonymous No.546308629 Replies: >>546308784
I'm legitimately sad because of valve announcing how shit the steam frame is and ending index controllers.
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Anonymous No.546308784
>>546308557
>>546308629
t. bigshit beyond poo buyers remorse
Anonymous No.546308854
this is all just preamble to 2028 when they release Full-life and steamOS for PC and gabe gets his big meaty claws around bill gates pencil neck
total gabe supremacy
Anonymous No.546308857 Replies: >>546344740 >>546348213
Stop playing vr chat. Lavender is better.
Anonymous No.546308859 Replies: >>546312352
The steam frame looks like an excellent well polished 2023 headset.
Anonymous No.546308940 Replies: >>546309006
wish they released lighthouse version of the new controllers
stuck with cuckles forever
Anonymous No.546308965 Replies: >>546309087 >>546310486 >>546310743
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When I purchased my quest pro sometime last year (600€, ~700$), I thought I would regret it. I thought the Deckard would drop and I'd kick myself to see it have OLED, native face tracking, native lighthouse support while still being wireless. I was honestly so ready to cry, shelf my qpro and just drop another 1,000$ straight up.

Today, I feel nothing. This headset is junk meant for a target market that will use VR once and then throw it into the cupboard. I know a bunch of tech enthusiast irl from work and similar who have VR headsets and they treat it like that. They wear it maybe three times a year. That's your target market, not the daily driver AGP vrtroons (me).

Gaben is a nigger and I cast myocarditis upon him, he can go join Jelly in the pearly gates. Fucking TRASH.
Anonymous No.546309006
>>546308940
Would be nice actually, but it would require a complete redesign.
Anonymous No.546309013
I don't mind lack of face tracking because nobody even looks at me and i wear my anxiety mental breakdown on my face 24/7 anyway

>>546308557
on one hand i don't have to have a panic attack wondering if they're going to have blinking red light of death every time i get on vr, on the other thyre going to be obsolete. man, dont even get me started if they start no longer selling index cables. thts my biggest fear. i can maybe get out 2 more years of my current one but who knows how much they'll go for offmarket. too grim to think about
Anonymous No.546309085
Meanwhile me here still waiting for Shitfall Flip controllers
Anonymous No.546309087 Replies: >>546309403
>>546308965
>have OLED, native face tracking, native lighthouse support while still being wireless
You should have paid attention to the leaks instead of expecting fantasy shit. But I supposed living in a fantasy land of delusion is par for the course for trannies.
Anonymous No.546309141 Replies: >>546309240
>D and S made a bet a year ago if SteamFrame was releasing in 2025 or 2026
>loser has to suck the others real cock
Oh S oh dear lol!!!!
Anonymous No.546309240
>>546309141
Who?
Anonymous No.546309282 Replies: >>546309435
>>546308452 (Cross-thread)
I wonder if you can still play PCVR only worlds on a frame headset? Wonder how that's going to work out.
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Thanks for coming to photos! Use this as an anchor post.
Anonymous No.546309403 Replies: >>546316082
>>546309087
how dare I dream of a product to actually have features i want
Anonymous No.546309435
>>546309282
Playing standalone on Frame is just playing your Steam library, so you'd just launch the PC version of the game
Anonymous No.546309582
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>>546309363
Anonymous No.546309781 Replies: >>546309937
No direct Displayport is a dealbraker to me, I mainly bought VR for racing games, where I'd rather just plug the headset in
Anonymous No.546309845
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Gamer's Nexus' video has a shot of the Steamlink debug graph, showing a latency of about 12ms. The best I've ever seen anyone get is about 20ms, with 30ms being more common, so 10-20ms improvement over your average Quest 3 experience probably.
Elsewhere they list numbers as low as 8ms end-to-end, which probably doesn't take the game render time and such into consideration.
Might actually be acceptably low
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWUxObt1efQ
Anonymous No.546309937 Replies: >>546310171 >>546310234 >>546310280 >>546310450
>>546309781
ah yes no no no i dont want 2ms latency wireless i want to be cabled to a pc with the same latency.
you people gotta be retarded it has the same update rate as an index
Anonymous No.546310020
Can't wait for people to buy the Frame + cube, launch a PCVR game on the cube and cry that PCVR games in 4k run badly on an RX 7400
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>>546309363
Anonymous No.546310171 Replies: >>546310380 >>546310450
I'm fucking glad volvo didn't listen to any of you retards, I don't wanna pay $2k for a headset.
>>546309937
no no no you don't get it he's a pro racing driver he can't use foveated streaming because his eyes simply move too fast for the tracking to keep up
Anonymous No.546310234
>>546309937
I'm sitting down, I don't need to use wireless and use the battery. I'll use wireless for games where I'm actually moving around.
Anonymous No.546310280
>>546309937
Zoomzoom babies cry whenever they see a power cable, rather strap 30 pounds of batteries to some part of their body (and run a cable anyways)
Anonymous No.546310380
>>546310171
ah yes ofcourse how could i be such an idiot... i forgot everyone here is fucking max verstappen lmao
Anonymous No.546310450
>>546309937
>>546310171
>samefagging this hard just because someone wants a feature present on pretty much every other headset
Anonymous No.546310486
>>546308965
i would have been happy with an oled index
Anonymous No.546310685 Replies: >>546310971 >>546313061 >>546313261
95% of you niggas sit down or stand still 24/7 anyway wtf do you care if there is a cable it aint like you're moving around
Anonymous No.546310743
>>546308965
>When I purchased my quest pro
Sorry bro you got scammed but in the other direction. Enjoy the facetracking at the cost of every bit of QOL being sucked away from you by your hardware being zuckshit.
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>>546309363
Anonymous No.546310909
for me? it's a lightweight tethered headset
gonna get a real racing seat and recline very much
Anonymous No.546310971 Replies: >>546311028
>>546310685
Troons coping about their $1000 troony trackers setup being obsolete
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Alright give it to me straight then.
I'm still on an OG vive cause I missed the index bus and didn't want to commit to the frankenzucc setup in the hope Valve wouldn't be shit.
Now that it's looking pretty confirmed dogshit, what's the best option? How much of a hassle is it to make quest pro (or whatevers best from questoids now with FT/fingers I didnt pay attention) play nice with PCVR wirelessly? Is the bigmeme 2 (RMA lottery lmao) any better in comparison? How grim is it looking?
I need other people who have actually owned these things to feed me opinions.

DON'T IGNORE ME I NEED ANSWERS
Anonymous No.546311028 Replies: >>546311121 >>546311504
>>546310971
bad bait there's not even a tracker alternative
Anonymous No.546311116 Replies: >>546311618
>>546311003
>I'm still on an OG vive
how have you not killed yourself from your hardware being older than a pharaoh
get an index man, surely some retard will be selling one used thinking the new garbage will be good (it won't be good)
Anonymous No.546311121 Replies: >>546311215
>>546311028
https://www.amazon.com/Vive-Ultimate-Tracker-Dongle-Full-Body-Tracking/dp/B0CQPQ659X
Anonymous No.546311215 Replies: >>546311403
>>546311121
>Ultimate-Tracker
>i/o camera slop
no thanks? this shit is way overpriced?
at least post fluxes oh wait you can't buy them because they don't exist
Anonymous No.546311226 Replies: >>546311618 >>546312207
>>546311003
bsb2 now
or wait and see if pimax dream air SE is a scam
or wait until frame comes out
Anonymous No.546311263 Replies: >>546311618
>>546311003
are you retarded? are you just taking posts of /vrg/ shitposters at face value without doing literally any research of your own?
kill yourself, unironically
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Anonymous No.546311289
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>>546309363
Bird, my only good photo got ruined by an accidental filter fml
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>>546311215
>slop
Anonymous No.546311476 Replies: >>546311728
>>546311403
your post is lazy repostslop and your idea of what makes a good headset and tracker setup is current-thingslop
Anonymous No.546311493
>>546311003
Im on a CV1 and genuinely considering a frame. Even if the specs are outdated its still gonna be double my current resolution.
I would wait for the price, if its competetive then it might really not be so bad as a CV1/vive upgrade.
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>>546309363
Anonymous No.546311504 Replies: >>546311782
>>546311028
Erm no you can use the slimes the ULTIMATE vive trackers (they are called this because they actually work better than the flawless 3.0s) or even xbox kinect and play station move.

So, actually, there are MANY alternatives to lighthouse tracking.

Moreover, when Fluxpose is released we will have an even BETTER option because it certainly wont be another in a long line of disappointments.
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>>546309363
>>546311275
Anonymous No.546311618 Replies: >>546311902
>>546311116
>how have you not killed yourself from your hardware being older than a pharaoh
Gabe refused to sell the index to me until it was already ancient
>>546311226
No more waiting I need it NOW
>>546311263
God forbid I fucking ask for the opinions of real anons instead of 'researching' paid advertisement review shillposts from people who know they can't say mean things if they want to continue getting review shit before release and only use the headset for maybe 10-20 hours before doing their writeup and never touching it again unironically kill yourself.
Anonymous No.546311728
>>546311476
Nice non-opinion postslop
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>>546309363
>>546311546
Anonymous No.546311782
>>546311504
>MANY alternatives to lighthouse tracking
I will concede on this point but not on the idea that any of them are better.
Anonymous No.546311841 Replies: >>546312129
>tfw can't even max EA WRC settings with Vive
is higher resolution even good if you have to lower settings
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It's fucking over
Anonymous No.546311902 Replies: >>546312412
>>546311618
ah, yes, "real anons" who don't have an agenda at all
you either have been here less than a week or have genuine brain damage
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Alright vrg
I lurk here most of the time but for now I want to get the dedicated opinions of only the most enthusiast of the market
We're going to be developing a Steam Frame Pro, but we're still trying to figure out what features and upgrades to add to it over the Frame Vanilla
What do you guys want?
Anonymous No.546312043
>>546311894
But anon, just think, you can play flat games with your vr headset!!! It will be like a steam deck on your face!!
Just imagine, you can now have a vastly inferior and more uncomfortable experience with inferior controllers for just a few hundred dollars!
Anonymous No.546312086 Replies: >>546312412 >>546312749
>>546311003
Index is an alright upgrade if you can get it at a decent price (don't let index users meme you into paying $1k for a 5yo headset)
BSB is fine too but thats still a $1000 headset + cost of knuckles and base stations
>Qpro meme in 2025
lol
If you care about FBT/Finger tracking Index is an obvious choice and if you want wireless get a Q3S and slap an extra tracker on it and you're golden. If you want face tracking too Frame is probably gonna be your best bet + better latency compared to Q3S.
Anonymous No.546312093 Replies: >>546312412
>>546311003
The real answer is to buy an extra tundra or 3.0 for whatever Black Friday sale they have and wait and see.

They keep their value pretty well so you have nothing to lose especially if you are already in the base station ecosystem.
Anonymous No.546312112
>>546311894
waggleslop is over
reclinechads won
Anonymous No.546312129
>>546311841
No one can max it out in VR, i'm running low-medium on 3080ti. Even if you'll manage to get good framerate in a specific scenario, two things will happen
>it'll run like shit in different weather/location anyway
>visually, you'll probably benefit more from no AA + high res + downsampling than you did from max details

don't bother, low details gaming
Anonymous No.546312207
>>546311226
>pimax dream air SE
The name could be longer
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>>546311003
The bigshit 2e has been good to me, even got lucky on the RMAs so far. With the price you pay you at least get top-tier support, they'll redo face gaskets/send free cables/rma basically anything.
Anonymous No.546312285
>>546311546
I need chiffon K to step on me.
Anonymous No.546312352
>>546308859
that'll be $999.99
Anonymous No.546312412 Replies: >>546312617 >>546312749
>>546311902
>ah, yes, "real anons" who don't have an agenda at all
Less so than reviewniggers retard
>less than a week
Did you miss the part where I have an OG vive? Been here since the start bro...
>>546312086
quest shits out so many versions idk which is the one everyone uses for face tracking
i really want face tracking and dont really want to cope on frame getting an add on in 2 more weeks
>>546312093
was going to need to buy them anyway cause i only have 2.0s (formerly 1.0s until they ran out of battery life)
>>546312225
whats the turnaround time on the RMAs?
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>>546309363
>Don't you believe in fairies?
Anonymous No.546312617 Replies: >>546313145
>>546312412
Steam Frame getting a mouth tracking addon is inevitable don't let some retarded anons try to tell you otherwise. If Valve doesn't deliver (not that I expect them to) some autistic furry or jap will.
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>>546312225
>whats the turnaround time on the RMAs?
likely depends on where you live but from their warehouse in LA to Colorado and back took about 2mikuwikus
Anonymous No.546312728 Replies: >>546312917
>>546311961
OLED
Human FOV
Diopter adjustment
Displayport
60 GHz wireless with a powerful decoder for non-compression wireless
Full color passthrough
Face tracking
Hand tracking
Shitfall Flip style controllers with Quest Pro 360 degree tracking, finger tracking and PS5 style adaptive triggers
And most importantly, new games
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Anonymous No.546312749
>>546312086
>>546311003
you can buy an index cheap af from tundra
get it while you can because it will probably go up since there is zero fresh supply
index controllers are the undisputed goat
>>546312412
>i really want face tracking
your options are quest pro or some home bullshit
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NA anime tonight at 10 pm est in vrchat
https://rentry.org/i3t5ozt8/

Azumanga - 19
Azumanga - 20
Alma-chan - 06
Kaken Rider Naritai - 06
IS - 06

Will post instance link when it's up. You can wait until 11 to join to skip azumanga
Anonymous No.546312917 Replies: >>546313089 >>546313192 >>546314345
>>546312728
>Full color passthrough
i do not understand why anyone cares about this
Anonymous No.546312939
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this is gonna be the SoC thats gonna run your frame
Anonymous No.546312963
>>546311003
I think Frame has a good chance of being a decent headset, if display won't be shit and latency will be handled well (everything so far suggests they did some autism in that direction), this might be a solid Index 2, assuming it won't cost rumored $1200. But if you want BSB2, I have one and honestly I can recommend it despite shitting on it in thread so much. It's crazy light, image is crazy sharp, software is decent, customer service seems to be fast though it's a fucking discord channel and because of that i feel like i'm not being taken seriously, but that's a pet peeve, I had no rma-tier hardware issues so far, and they send new gaskets on request even if you're unsure if you need one. It's overpriced, it's ridden with various small downsides, but if I could turn back time, I'd buy it again.

But don't despair on Frame just yet, wait for emotions to cool down and for proper opinions to form. This really seems like a potentially decent device to me.
Anonymous No.546313008
>>546311961
Index but smaller and everything doesn't break after a year of use
Anonymous No.546313061
>>546310685
I haven't touched my turning joystick in over a year. It feels like I'm driving a fucking tank unless I turn around physically.
Anonymous No.546313089 Replies: >>546313465
>>546312917
I want to chill in my comfy armchair next to my comfy fireplace and play some flat game in VR while seeing my surroundings
Anonymous No.546313143
>>546311961
lighthouse faceplate, face tracker, eye tracking including eyelids and eyebrows, maybe oled if display turns out to be meh.
Anonymous No.546313145
>>546312617
>If Valve doesn't deliver (not that I expect them to) some autistic furry or jap will.
2nd class citizen lmao
Anonymous No.546313192
>>546312917
Nobody cares about this.
Anonymous No.546313261 Replies: >>546313487
>>546310685
I hate tripping over the cable when I try to move around. Even when I'm sitting down I hate keeping track of where my cable is so I don't accidentally yank it when I move my chair.
Anonymous No.546313343
i want to play pavlov
Anonymous No.546313465
>>546313089
freak
Anonymous No.546313487
>>546313261
skill issue....
Anonymous No.546313491 Replies: >>546313640
Basically a good headset if you play VR games wirelessly. Thanks gaben.
Anonymous No.546313640 Replies: >>546313753 >>546314030
>>546313491
great news for the 5% of people who play vr games!
i bet they can't wait for all the exciting new releases like... asseto corsa and pavlov?
Anonymous No.546313642
https://youtu.be/8x49XBlrBz0?t=2085
At least it sounds like we can still flip people off
Anonymous No.546313653
Woo! Finally, the Quest 2.5!
Anonymous No.546313753
>>546313640
/vg/ - Video Game Generals
Anonymous No.546313803 Replies: >>546314552 >>546317326
Where's ShillSeeker's video?
Anonymous No.546314030 Replies: >>546314742 >>546356593
>>546313640
The people who give a shit about wired headsets and latency are a minority of autists. Most people don't find 0.00001ms of latency completely unplayable believe it or not.
Anonymous No.546314345 Replies: >>546314552
>>546312917
It's a quality of life feature. Much nicer than peeking through the nose gap or having to take off the headset for something minor like finding your drink or pouring another one.
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>>546309363
Anonymous No.546314552 Replies: >>546314762
>>546313803
Uninvited

>>546314345
Grayscale passthrough has been enough for me in these use cases
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atleast it has an NPU so we can run AI on it
Anonymous No.546314742 Replies: >>546315554
>>546314030
so are people who give a shit about vr period
i do want a wireless headset but i also want an enthusiast headset if i wanted some middle of the road thing then i would get a quest because that will always be the cheapest option
what we got was an expensive, but good, quest and while it is a good quest it is still a quest
Anonymous No.546314762
>>546314552
>Uninvited
Good riddance.
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>>546309363
Anonymous No.546315291
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>>546309363
Two anons about to move to gensokyo
Anonymous No.546315534 Replies: >>546315764 >>546315767 >>546315918 >>546316013
You think we'll have a big influx of newfags after the Frame releases or just a few here and there trickling in?
Anonymous No.546315554 Replies: >>546315724
>>546314742
There's already the Play for Dream for enthusiasts.
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R.E.P.O. has a VR mod and is currently on sale!
I have to try it out first but if it works fine I will host it soon during EU times. (9pm-12pm CET ~ish) get it NOWNOWNWONWOWNW
Anonymous No.546315724 Replies: >>546315836
>>546315554
>wirelessslop
>XR/MR not VR
>chyna
dogshit peddled by people seeking display resolution at the cost of literally everything else i guess
Anonymous No.546315764
>>546315534
in the thread yes
in instances no
Anonymous No.546315767
>>546315534
Can't be worse than Quest 2 release
Anonymous No.546315836 Replies: >>546315965
>>546315724
just say you're too poor
Anonymous No.546315918
>>546315534
depends on if the Gabecube releases same time or not imo
if the gabecube releases same day maybe less people will be interested in the Frame
I was able to get deck oled special edition on launch easily enough
worried scalpers will tear through this shit even though no one likes VR
Anonymous No.546315965 Replies: >>546316040
>>546315836
0.5RMB deposited into your WeChat Pay account!
Anonymous No.546316013 Replies: >>546316261 >>546316694 >>546321674
>>546315534
Really doubt Frame will get any mainstream appeal, it does nothing special, nothing grand, aside of yet another attempt of selling steam machines. Quest does most of the stuff Frame does, so if someone would be interested in what Frame offers, he'd already have a Quest. Sure, it probably does many things better, and PC flat gaming gimmick is nothing to scoff at, but imo this entire "steam hardware ecosystem" gimmick is not all that appealing to the average joe. Normies will hear linux and run the fuck away, PC vidya enthusiasts already have a device that outperforms gabecube, VR enthusiasts already have a headset.
Anonymous No.546316040
>>546315965
you can have it back, you need it more than me.
Anonymous No.546316048 Replies: >>546316094 >>546316327
will they call the launch title alyx 2 or HL3?
Anonymous No.546316080 Replies: >>546316149 >>546316280
im convinced people are just shitting on the frame to ensure they can buy one on release lmao
you people wouldnt know the best vr headset if it shat down your throat.
Anonymous No.546316082
>>546309403
This but unironic
Anonymous No.546316094
>>546316048
>Full-life
Anonymous No.546316149 Replies: >>546316367
>>546316080
It's literally just a sidegrade to the quest 3 dude, get over yourself.
Anonymous No.546316261 Replies: >>546316750 >>546318370
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>>546316013
the Frame™®© ended flat gaming
Anonymous No.546316280
>>546316080
The index is the best vr headset.
We prayed for better.
GabeN did not answer.
Anonymous No.546316284
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>>546309363
Anonymous No.546316327 Replies: >>546316858
>>546316048
There is no launch title they said there will be no new first party vr games. They are all in on flat game streaming.
Anonymous No.546316367 Replies: >>546316484
>>546316149
ah yes an upgrade in every single possible way to any vr headset on the market is a sidegrade..
Anonymous No.546316451 Replies: >>546316619 >>546316660 >>546316990 >>546317594 >>546343540
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>>546311961
stick with the light house tracking
oled screen setup the screen autists suggest
eye tracking with eyebrow upperface tracking
lower face tracking with the tongue tracking like vive / project babble
finger tracking
fbt hip, feet pucks included

we literally just want an index 2.0 that uses light houses
let me repeat that

A BETTER INDEX
OLED SCREENS
FACE TRACKING
WITH LIGHT HOUSE TRACKING BECAUSE WE KNOW IT WORKS AND ITS STILL THE BEST
PARTS THAT DONT BREAK
CONTROLLER FINGER TRACKING LIKE INDEX CONTROLLERS
FBT INCLUDED
not a single person who knows anything about PC VR will be able in good conscious to suggest anything else if that's the package of the index 2.

i dont give a single fuck about pass through i dont know why people want that if you need to sacrifice that for all of the above no actual VR PC hardcore gamer will care
Anonymous No.546316484
>>546316367
lmao.
Anonymous No.546316606 Replies: >>546316663 >>546316696 >>546316710 >>546316806 >>546316875
>missed over 1200 posts while at work
welp something happened for sure
is there a tl;dr summary so far of whats been found out?
Anonymous No.546316619 Replies: >>546317279
>>546316451
I could build this but I wouldn't have a clue what to do on the software side
Anonymous No.546316660
>>546316451
sorry chud, enjoy your tracking drift and playspace calibration!
Anonymous No.546316663
>>546316606
just go on the steam store and read nigga
Anonymous No.546316694
>>546316013
>"steam hardware ecosystem" gimmick is not all that appealing to the average joe
the average joe is going extinct. people are increasingly turning to vidya because real life increasingly sucks
Anonymous No.546316696
>>546316606
Valve announced new hardware first time in 4 years
Anonymous No.546316710 Replies: >>546316813
>>546316606
tldr hold on to your index and take care of it because there's not going to be anything better for another 10 years
Anonymous No.546316741
>>546311961
Literally just an Index with OLED.
Anonymous No.546316750
>>546316261
>oculus quest
>but 2026
Ok...
Anonymous No.546316806 Replies: >>546316873
>>546316606
Valve announced deckard
Valve killed pcvr
There is a new steam controller
Anonymous No.546316813 Replies: >>546316901 >>546316980 >>546317121
>>546316710
hehe 2 year old index cable go crackle crackle pop!
Anonymous No.546316858
>>546316327
they said theyre not developing any (because HL3 is already finished)
Anonymous No.546316873
>>546316806
>Valve killed pcvr
You can't kill what's already dead
Anonymous No.546316875
>>546316606
quest 2.5: Linux edition is coming out
Anonymous No.546316901
>>546316813
the fuck did you do to yours, get it stuck in your chair's wheels and torture it?
some people
Anonymous No.546316980 Replies: >>546317071
>>546316813
I just bought 2 cables lol
Anonymous No.546316990 Replies: >>546343750
>>546316451
>WITH LIGHT HOUSE TRACKING BECAUSE WE KNOW IT WORKS AND ITS STILL THE BEST
FUCKING THIS LET ME TURN MY FUCKING LIGHTS OFF IN MY ROOM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Anonymous No.546317071 Replies: >>546317169
>>546316980
could've spent that money towards a better headset
Anonymous No.546317121 Replies: >>546317305 >>546317515 >>546317794
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>>546316813
Just got a new one and have 4 more on the way. when I saw the announcement and details I immediately ordered thousands of dollars worth of index equipment with the money I was saving hoping the deckard would be good, 4 more lighthouses and 6 more cables as backups as well as 3 pairs of knuckles.
Anonymous No.546317169
>>546317071
Yeah like the [future space to be filled]
I have literally shat on every single headset since the index.
bigshit beyond is awful and will die on you from sweating and youll be stuck with discord server support. oh and $1800 for just the headset oh and no real eye tracking or ft
qpro is literally a quest 2 with ft +100 pixels lmao

frame has literally everything we asked for and more -ft on release which is so obviously gonna be an addon.
and if you are sitting there thinking it needs base stations you are retarded beyond belief base stations are measurable less accurate and the one leg up they did have (update frequency) is shat on by frame also..

ts has fully convinced me that you guys are worse at judging headsets than shillseeker dude actual braindead dribbling retards in this thread.
Anonymous No.546317279
>>546316619
build it and let the devs come to you to make the software!
Anonymous No.546317305
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>>546317121
Anonymous No.546317326
>>546313803
He’s been crying about it in his discord
Anonymous No.546317397 Replies: >>546317620 >>546317785 >>546317837 >>546338483
>>546317263
qpro oled is nice but the headset isn't great overall
Anonymous No.546317446 Replies: >>546317620
>>546317263
it's gonna be $800 for a LCD headset that has black and white passthrough
Anonymous No.546317450
this pretty much confirms there is no valve-made VorpX thing coming with the Frame huh?
Those "leaks" about multi-tiered "verified for frame, frame+3d, full VR" was just someone memeing all along
I know it says they're expanding the "verified" store tags, but if you could play Hades2 in 3D they probably would've advertised that
Anonymous No.546317474
>>546317263
>no real eye tracking or ft
whats the fucking point lmao, who keeps making these PCVR headsets without the full suite of goonertech in nearly 2026?
>m-muh racing games
noones buying a big meme just for assetto
Anonymous No.546317515 Replies: >>546317681
>>546317121
can i tap tap an extra one ill pay you 50 for it
Anonymous No.546317519 Replies: >>546317810
>>546317263
no oled, inside out only, shitty looking controller design, lmao. "Everything we asked for and more" my ass
Anonymous No.546317585 Replies: >>546317810
>>546317263
>frame has literally everything we asked for
>we
I asked for lighthouses, cables, and double/treble the resolution. Not a minor resolution upgrade, standalone hardware (I don't need standalone, this needlessly inflates cost), and FORCED WIRELESS
Anonymous No.546317594
>>546316451
btw Anything less than this means your ideal target user "hardcore PC VR gamer" is going to hybridize whatever you give them in order to fix any of those deficiencies

your hardcore pc vr gamer almost 95% of the time also plays vrchat
which means they have light houses and htey will be wearing light house tracked FBT even if you make a headset that doesn't use light houses, like the light houses will be a part of the setup regardless unless you deliver some kind of full body FBT with the Frame Pro that is better than light house FBT
Anonymous No.546317607 Replies: >>546317843
im coping that the controller tracking will be good enough to not have to trex in vrc... maybe there will be an addon for rear tracking...
Anonymous No.546317615
If you just want to play vr games then there hasn't been any reason to upgrade your headset for years and there still isn't. You can be using a fucking vive and get the same experience.
Anonymous No.546317620
>>546317397
>>546317446
oh yeah mb i forgot no oled on frame but we'll see what they did with the lcd when it releases fully
Anonymous No.546317635
>>546317263
There's too many people here with too many different desires for VR. It was always going to make some of them seethe.
Anonymous No.546317647 Replies: >>546317696 >>546317810
>>546317263
>and if you are sitting there thinking it needs base stations you are retarded beyond belief base stations are measurable less accurate
Shove a rusty spike up your ass I want to play with lights off
Anonymous No.546317681 Replies: >>546317772
>>546317515
sorry I plan to use all I bought for the next few decades, and any extra i'm saving to sell once production of the parts ends and the aftermarket price skyrockets.
Anonymous No.546317696 Replies: >>546317824
>>546317647
Frame works in the dark
Anonymous No.546317772
>>546317681
Please sir....just snip off the ends a touch and i'll satisfy myself with just the bits....
Anonymous No.546317785 Replies: >>546338483
>>546317397
Controllers were also good because they had baseless 360 degree tracking, but they ate through batteries pretty quickly
Anonymous No.546317794
>>546317121
kek
Anonymous No.546317810 Replies: >>546317996 >>546318170
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>>546317519
>>546317585
>>546317647
please read actual fucking research before opening your fat fucking slobbering mouth downy
Anonymous No.546317824 Replies: >>546318147 >>546318452
>>546317696
proof: ...
Anonymous No.546317837
>>546317397
quest pro doesnt have oled
Anonymous No.546317843 Replies: >>546317940 >>546318452
>>546317607
>will be good enough to not have to trex in vrc
hahahaha the controllers don't have cameras haha have fun holding your hands in front of your face
Anonymous No.546317874
>>546317263
>bigshit beyond
stopped reading there
Anonymous No.546317940 Replies: >>546318158
>>546317843
>im coping that the controller tracking will be good enough to not have to trex
What is trex?
Anonymous No.546317967 Replies: >>546318452
>>546317263
>no real eye tracking or ft
nigga never heard of baballonia
Anonymous No.546317979
>>546317263
if that's all true then the Pro just needs OLED screens and a FBT solution that can do 5 point and 9 point and that's it PCVR secured mission accomplished
Anonymous No.546317996 Replies: >>546318193 >>546318452
>>546317810
whatever you say, 3 pointer.
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>saves Steam Frame
nothing personnel, kid
Anonymous No.546318147 Replies: >>546318289
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>>546317824
Anonymous No.546318158
>>546317940
3 pointer pose, standing with your hands in front of you to make sure they are in camera view.
Anonymous No.546318170 Replies: >>546318452 >>546327853
>>546317810
>accuracy and precision
>system that misreads things sometimes vs system that just makes shit up as it goes along
are you kidding yourself shitzlo
Anonymous No.546318193 Replies: >>546327853
>>546317996
read it, retard
https://dl.acm.org/doi/fullHtml/10.1145/3463914.3463921
Anonymous No.546318246 Replies: >>546318314 >>546318349 >>546318396 >>546318646 >>546321512
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How will calibrating to basestations work? Those cameras might be able to detect the light from the basestation and auto calibrate, which would be nice but i doubt that it will do that by default. I really cope they don't make you strap a tracker to the hmd...
Anonymous No.546318289
>>546318147
>when brad said the deckard IS the lighthouse he was just creaming his pants over this
lol
lmao
Anonymous No.546318314
>>546318246
>I really cope they don't make you strap a tracker to the hmd...
I have bad news...
Anonymous No.546318349
>>546318246
>How will calibrating to basestations work
It won't
Anonymous No.546318370 Replies: >>546318487 >>546353120
>>546316261
it's great
exactly what I was hoping for
a lot of people just had nitpicky unrealistic expectations
Anonymous No.546318376 Replies: >>546318438 >>546318881 >>546319764
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What's the current ultimate "i live in the matrix" hardcore PCVR hybrid setup?

Quest 3 + babble face tracking + light houses + index controllers + feet/knee/hip/chest/elbow trackers?

right?

Frame Pro just needs to be that. minus the extra trackers other than feet and hip.
Anonymous No.546318396
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>>546318246
anon...
Anonymous No.546318438
>>546318376
>hardcore PCVR
the ind-
>hybrid
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA
Anonymous No.546318452 Replies: >>546318513 >>546318523
>>546317824
it has ir trackers.

>>546317843
the controllers have built in imu's

>>546317967
babble is just as compatible with the frame retard

>>546317996
ive had trackers for like 8 years and used both mixed and not mixed. mixed is more of a pain obviously but eh

>>546318170
you are talking about the quest. noteably not the frame..
Anonymous No.546318487 Replies: >>546327180
>>546318370
>Unrealistic expectations
Unrealistic expectations like having features that have existed on other headsets for half a decade
Anonymous No.546318513
>>546318452
>babble is just as compatible with the frame retard
where did I say it wasn't jackass?
Anonymous No.546318523 Replies: >>546318690 >>546318703
>>546318452
>the controllers have built in imu's
>the controllers will drift themselves to the floor and need fixing every 10 minutes
great to hear, thanks
Anonymous No.546318527 Replies: >>546318610 >>546318650 >>546318657 >>546318784
>>546318107
what was the deal with these things
last i heard it was still "too good to be true"
Anonymous No.546318610
>>546318527
magnets.
Anonymous No.546318646 Replies: >>546321512
>>546318246
Did you miss the memo? Base station tracking is DEAD. Get with the times. Yes, it worked flawlessly. Yes, it was easy to set up. Yes, it will still be necessary for FBT. However, none of that is important because, while it was easy, setting it up was like just totally too much work and inside out tracking works almost as well if you ignore all the problems.
Anonymous No.546318650
>>546318527
the deal with them is that they sound good but aren't out yet and thus need to be treated as fake until they come out and get real testing.

Their announcement/website boasts about having 12 WHOLE BETA TESTERS, for context.
Anonymous No.546318657
>>546318527
the deal is that they don't exist and you only have the word of the developer and his friends that they're as good as they say, you can't buy them because they don't exist and what you do get in 5 years when they're available will be inferior as a commercial product compared to whatever black magic prototypes they made to sell them
Anonymous No.546318690 Replies: >>546318802 >>546321036
>>546318523
you are comparing shitty company or diy to valve.
also its not its sole tracking method its additional to the headset tracking them
Anonymous No.546318703 Replies: >>546318802
>>546318523
>fixing them requires them being in view of the HMD for less than a second
same shit happens on Q3 without the IMU's.
even if the IMU's somehow made it worse it would fix itself whenever you move your hand in front of you?
Anonymous No.546318732
I hope there's a way for the new Steam Frame controllers to be used with multiple headsets if they're running Steam OS. I would like a new standard for slam controllers.
Anonymous No.546318784 Replies: >>546318829
>>546318107
Hope this has no major downsides. An alternative to lighthouses is good for FBT in VR long term.

>>546318527
They're releasing a kickstarter this month, if they're not faking faggots they'll send out some units to VR shills for further testing.
Anonymous No.546318802 Replies: >>546318927 >>546319194
>>546318703
>>546318690
If only there was a solution that valve already knew how to do that removed this issue entirely...
Anonymous No.546318829 Replies: >>546318952
>>546318784
>Hope this has no major downsides.
just don't live in a place full of rebar wire
Anonymous No.546318881
>>546318376
11 pt tracking + vrgloves+ everything else you mentioned
Anonymous No.546318927 Replies: >>546318976 >>546319010
>>546318802
grrr i hate when technology advances!!
Anonymous No.546318952 Replies: >>546319014
>>546318829
>just don't live in a place full of rebar
>2 of my walls are concrete with rebar in them
>massive metal ventilation shaft in the ceiling
it's so fucking over for me
Anonymous No.546318976 Replies: >>546319242
>>546318927
Advancing is when we create problems that didn't exist for no upside other than the manufacturer's bottom line :)
Anonymous No.546319010
>>546318927
I love when it goes backwards
Anonymous No.546319014 Replies: >>546319148
>>546318952
just keep a good coronavirus distance of like 2m from the wall!
Anonymous No.546319050 Replies: >>546319114 >>546319149 >>546319153
So what are the chances it will be available for purchase this year?
Anonymous No.546319067
lol at linus stopping to call out the tranny in the room for not answering his questions enough
Anonymous No.546319114
>>546319050
0%
they literally said early 2026
Anonymous No.546319148 Replies: >>546319376
>>546319014
The room is 3.5m across by like 10m long I don't think this is possible
Anonymous No.546319149
>>546319050
they said early 2026 in the announcement video retard
Anonymous No.546319153
>>546319050
Zero, they already said q1 2026
Anonymous No.546319194 Replies: >>546319398
>>546318802
it would be nice if it worked with lighthouses in addition to slam
maybe since it has an expansion port someone could make a 3rd party lighthouse faceplate like pimax uses on their new headsets

obvious why valve wouldn't go lighthouse only if this thing is meant to be used on your couch/friends house/the bus/outside
Anonymous No.546319242 Replies: >>546319373
>>546318976
ah yes the headset thats been in development for 6 years is going to have issues tracking the controllers...
dribbler.
Anonymous No.546319335 Replies: >>546319403 >>546319484 >>546319567 >>546319581 >>546321679
FUCK lighthouses, FUCK screwing shit to your walls, FUCK the room setup app which is the worst playspace calibrating piece of shit of all time, SLAM is the future
Anonymous No.546319370 Replies: >>546319481 >>546319501 >>546319515 >>546319764 >>546346476
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If money isn't a factor, why would you buy a Steam Frame over a Galaxy XR?
Anonymous No.546319373
>>546319242
>thing that isn't out yet that uses technology that has issues definitely magically fixed the problems, buy it now chud
Anonymous No.546319376
>>546319148
the gaming hallway...
Anonymous No.546319398 Replies: >>546319910
>>546319194
>the bus
great way to get mugged if you live in nogistan
Anonymous No.546319403
>>546319335
yea ok calm down zuckerberg
Anonymous No.546319418 Replies: >>546319536
I wish the future had more games
Anonymous No.546319463
that smol dog big dog r*ddit meme but it's about tough lighthouse chads using a handheld drill and standalone cucks being scared to install anything
Anonymous No.546319481
>>546319370
to use Linux instead of Android (Linux but less cool)
Anonymous No.546319484
>>546319335
>FUCK screwing shit to your walls
found the real poor, renting somewhere they can't modify
Anonymous No.546319501 Replies: >>546319642 >>546321414
>>546319370
i dont wear pants when i play vr so i have nowhere to put the battery in
Anonymous No.546319515
>>546319370
Galaxy XR is unibody so I'm choosing steam frame
Anonymous No.546319536 Replies: >>546319649 >>546320306
>>546319418
I hope future games are hardware prohibitive to participate in for penniless children and brown majority nations.
Anonymous No.546319567
>>546319335
this nigga got filtered by the room setup process lmao
just click 4 times in advanced mode my nigga!
Anonymous No.546319581 Replies: >>546321787
>>546319335
>put base station on a shelf
>do room setup once
>never touch it for 2 years
waou so hard
Anonymous No.546319642
>>546319501
sure you do!
Anonymous No.546319649
>>546319536
sorry anon we need everything to cater to the lowest common denominator now to maximize shareholder value
that means selling out your hobby and your country to retarded, sub-80-iq, barely-human third world shitskins
been this way for almost 20 years now
Anonymous No.546319654 Replies: >>546319734 >>546320102 >>546320258
lighthouse cucks not being able to piss and shit while staying immersed with fbt on
Anonymous No.546319734
>>546319654
imagine the smell of anon's hardware...
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Reminder that you don't NEED to drill anything to use lighthouse trackers, you just need to have a sense of ingenuity and a high IQ
Anonymous No.546319764 Replies: >>546322051 >>546332789
>>546319370
Because I can buy a PSVR2 headset and then do this
>>546318376
>+ babble face tracking + light houses + index controllers + feet/knee/hip/chest/elbow trackers?

Just give me index 2.0 with OLED screens that has eye tracking and a built in babble project lower face tracker
yes i want light house tracking with that

I'd buy it even if it's still wired.
Anonymous No.546319910 Replies: >>546320049 >>546320254 >>546321246
>>546319398
something dystopic about not having your own transportation and using a hmd to hide the black people on the bus from your view
Anonymous No.546319924 Replies: >>546320135 >>546320641 >>546321043
Wait what's the point of advertising a vr headset as a device to play flat games on? Does valve think there's a target demographic that wants this?
If a subset of people who play flat only do buy it, it's possible they could be converted to vr and revitalize vr gaming, but I really don't see flat gamers buying a headset unless the headset offers something valuable to them in flat gaming. Maybe for people who travel frequently and don't want to lug a high refresh rate monitor around? But thats what laptops are for. So what's the point?
Anonymous No.546319925
I just want a bigshit beyond with eye tracking, passthrough, and oculus controllers
Anonymous No.546319959
Quest 3 is to Frame what Switch was to the Steam Deck. I can literally see people buy this just for discord movie watching togheter and using on airplanes, when traveling and such. Movie watching machine and play console ports.
No LH tracking is pretty bad, Valve abandoning it means no big company is standing behind LH, wich was an open standard that anyone could make hardware for. I hoped the Valve frame would be LH playspace/SteamVR native since Index was such a good FBT experience.

Still gonna buy it because I'm a sucker kek, but I hope it's better then the Quest/SteamVR hybrid that sucks ass.
Anonymous No.546320049 Replies: >>546320335
>>546319910
>something dystopic about not having your own transportation
That's what I'm saying, transit enthusiasts will tell me it's better and then sit down next to a drug-addled criminal like it's not a problem
Anonymous No.546320102 Replies: >>546320272 >>546320326
>>546319654
>i can poo while still in VR!
>I can cheers kippis kanpai drink alcohol and hit my bong while using my color pass through!
obese slop cattle moment
Anonymous No.546320135 Replies: >>546320886
>>546319924
I mean one of the end-games of HMDs is replacing monitors entirely. This thing is still too chonky for that though
Anonymous No.546320234
>investigating potential web domain
>they make software for the shipping industry
I laughed
Anonymous No.546320254 Replies: >>546320335 >>546320695
>>546319910
>and using a hmd to hide the black people on the bus from your view
AR glasses for this feel when, Zucc?
Anonymous No.546320258
>>546319654
When I lived in a dorm room at school, one of my base stations was able to see into my bathroom, and my index cable was just long enough for a comfortable sit on the toilet actually, and you better believe a weird guy who was into feet convinced me to wear the headset into there once when I was drunk.
Anonymous No.546320272
>>546320102
you're okay with lighthouses because you spend all your time sitting on your ass you projecting obese cunt
Anonymous No.546320306
>>546319536
Ok Randy Pitchford
Anonymous No.546320326
>>546320102
drunkniggers that belong nowhere near VR have to be 95% of the market for wireless slop I swear to god
Anonymous No.546320335
>>546320049
I agree with ya
I could maybe see using it on a plane, but even then I wouldn't feel comfortable with no passthru

>>546320254
AI powered filters that turn nogs into anime girls (white) when?
Anonymous No.546320641 Replies: >>546320862 >>546320886
>>546319924
Every single VR company is pursuing this demographic which doesn't exist outside of their fantasies and it's the people who will "casually" play vr. They have this idea that people will just throw the headset on and play it like candy crush except they apparently don't understand that wearing vr sucks and normal people do not want to do it. It's the same reason so much shit gets released with pitiful battery life and no easy way to swap the batteries; they apparently don't know people play games in long blocks and not 20 minute bursts even though this is true of pc gamers, console gamers, vr gamers, and even fucking mobile gamers.
Anonymous No.546320695 Replies: >>546374265
>>546320254
>hide the black people on the bus from your view
Sounds dangerous. We need is the opposite. A 'Never Relax' app that monitors and alerts you to the movement of melinated individuals so you don't have to be on guard all the time.
Anonymous No.546320713 Replies: >>546320864
>using VR on a plane
bro your book / audiobook / handheld game / inflight movie??
VR would be so cringe in public
Anonymous No.546320741 Replies: >>546320949 >>546321152
I don't want lighthouses because they make noise + are just another thing to break + I want to be able to take the headset to another room or my friend's house. Just make Quest Pro controllers + HTC Ultimate Trackers, but good and without spyware, thanks.
Anonymous No.546320823 Replies: >>546320958
>>546320747
>tomorrow night
you mean tonight right, S? I'll be there hopefully someone else will be a kind anon and join the two of us
Anonymous No.546320862
>>546320641
>20 minute bursts
phonetards....
Anonymous No.546320864
>>546320713
>giving a shit what other people do on a plane as long as they don't stink/yell
I'd be fine with everyone in cattle class wearing a feed bag and blinder shades.
Anonymous No.546320886 Replies: >>546321059
>>546320135
That end game won't happen until wireless is somehow able to introduce no extra latency, and no visual artifacts.
Either that, or the phone addicted zoomers get relevant enough where not having a computer or laptop is common enough for them to see a standalone mini pc hmd as a better choice. I think zoomers and alphas don't have computers nearly as much as we all did since they cope and claim their phones do just as much.
>>546320641
This is why I bought a bsb2e as soon as they announced it. No one else realizes that the demographic to value is us.
Anonymous No.546320949 Replies: >>546321152
>>546320741
>because they make noise
valid
>thing to break
thousands of hours here with zero issues
Anonymous No.546320958 Replies: >>546321093 >>546323719
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Running Pacific Coast Highway in Assetto Corsa tonight at 8PM ET (in ~30m).
Car list is in pic related.
Mods are below and the server is up if you want to test anything.
server: vrg racing
pass: tfwnodriftfu
voice chat (mumble): voice.vrg.party
mods: https://mega.nz/folder/xN4EGDiC#cvLFrD3kTpS_8pU7eNVvPw

Still thinking of trying to run an actual race next week if there's enough interest, so if you'd be interested, just reply.

>>546320823
Yeah, messed up the copy paste since I was in a hurry.
Anonymous No.546321036
>>546318690
SAAR YOU ARE COMPARE SHITY COMPANY TO BRAHMIN VALVE SAAR
lmao nigga it's gonna be fucking trash
Anonymous No.546321043 Replies: >>546321420
>>546319924
I know some people who really want this actually, to be able to virtually have more displays, or move to the couch on a wireless setup.

Lots of less demanding games like mmos run pretty well on the deck, so a deck-like setup than can also do some light VR on its own has some appeal.
Anonymous No.546321059 Replies: >>546321420
>>546320886
>phone addicted zoomers get relevant enough where not having a computer or laptop is common enough
This is already the de-facto state of things anon. "normal people" don't touch a computer ever unless it relates to their job or they're into PCs for another reason.
Anonymous No.546321093
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>>546320958
I'll show up for next week's race but i'm the guy who will probably show up anyway. No one cares about assetto anymore...racism is declining...no doubt we'll be drowned out by Slop Frame discussion...
Anonymous No.546321152 Replies: >>546321330 >>546321405 >>546321554
>>546320949
>>546320741
>they make noise
I've never noticed.
Anonymous No.546321246 Replies: >>546321421
>>546319910
>and using a hmd to hide the black people on the bus from your view
This is an awful idea that totally disrespects to golden rule
>Around blacks, never relax
Anonymous No.546321254
>noise
your foam tip IEMs that take 2 minutes to put in?
Anonymous No.546321330
>>546321152
they make a tiny but of noise when spinning up fully but it's always drowned out for my by my turbine engine of a PC and my box fan and the cooling fan on my index
Anonymous No.546321356 Replies: >>546321531
>>546311961
Make an XR except with less retarded software and hardware decisions. I'm jealous of the Frame's design because it was clearly made by someone who wears a VR headset a lot and realized that moving the battery to the back was a great idea.
Anonymous No.546321405
>>546321152
They only make noise when they're running and it's quieter than a cooling fan. It becomes white noise pretty much, you're not going to hear it but for if you sleep in the same room and leave them on standby.
Anonymous No.546321414
>>546319501
up your ass
Anonymous No.546321420 Replies: >>546321585
>>546321059
good, give the internet back to the autists
we deserve to have our own nation state where we aren't being persecuted again.
>>546321043
inb4 fearmongering articles popping up in the media about a new wave of young people with bedsores due to gaming in bed with a deckard
Anonymous No.546321421
>>546321246
I would never be around blacks to begin with (or on a bus)
sorry for the naivety
Anonymous No.546321512
>>546318646
>>546318246
Base stations are dead cause niggas don know how to mount things on dey walls n sheit
Anonymous No.546321531
>>546321356
Making a mount for an external battery was the standard for everyone that used a quest..

The Steam Frame is literally just a quest with different internals.

Which is good, but it's not the second coming or anything.
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>>546321152
It's not terrible but easily audible
Anonymous No.546321585 Replies: >>546321919
>>546321420
>give the internet back to the autists
Agree but never going to happen. 20 years ago the internet was 90% white with a strong standout minority of japanese. Everyone else was guaranteed to be technically minded as an "early adopter" from wherever they were from.
Phones, ads, profit-seeking all ruined the internet. Indians. Niggers. Chinese. Normalfaggots. It's all gone.
Anonymous No.546321674
>>546316013
The average person does not know you can use a Quest for PCVR because Meta doesn't advertise it as such.
Anonymous No.546321679
>>546319335
>FUCK screwing shit to your walls
buy a tripod retard
Anonymous No.546321787 Replies: >>546321882
>>546319581
Do you not ever clean the dust off your shelves?
Anonymous No.546321829
>>546321554
the lighthouse noise genuinely drives me nuts when i don't have music i have no idea how people just leave their base stations on all the time
yet despite that i wish the frame was lighthouse tracked
Anonymous No.546321882 Replies: >>546322092
>>546321787
don't watch the news? White people don't clean/lawncare. We have illegal slave labor for that.
Anonymous No.546321919 Replies: >>546322046 >>546322124
>>546321585
This is one of the reasons I still like vrchat, the barrier to entry is still high enough and niche enough to keep it closer to the internet of old in so far as it can be
Anonymous No.546322046 Replies: >>546322087
>>546321919
>i like a free pointless avatar chatroom because the barrier to entry is so high
The fuck are you talking about? There's a reason it's packed with children and pedophiles.
Anonymous No.546322051 Replies: >>546322110
>>546319764
So... a beyond 2e
Anonymous No.546322087 Replies: >>546322242 >>546322269
>>546322046
t. tourist that only goes to public slop
Anonymous No.546322092 Replies: >>546322242 >>546322335
>>546321882
Can I legally beat the Mexican cleaning my house if he moves my base station even by a milimeter during cleaning?
Anonymous No.546322110
>>546322051
except not made by indians
Anonymous No.546322124
>>546321919
Having a desktop PC is not a high barrier to entry. The stigma around VRC is a much better normoid deterrent
Anonymous No.546322242
>>546322092
>beat them
You just call ICE on them and they beat them for you. No joke. Then you go find another one.

>>546322087
>doesn't refute it's just a glorified chatroom
k
Anonymous No.546322269 Replies: >>546322462
>>546322087
no he's right, if the 'public' space of your platform is so diseased you need to escape from it to private spaces then you objectively lost.
It's like whites running from the cities to go live in the suburbs (a.k.a. refugee camps for white people). VRChatters are already in their digital refugee camps hiding away from tdaniggers and quest kids.
Anonymous No.546322335
>>546322092
>moves my base station even by a milimeter
this shit makes no difference base stations are so good they simply deal with it i used to move mine all the time before i had a better playspace and i never had to do room setup
Anonymous No.546322370
any simfags with eye tracked headset have a perspective on how much performance gain from foveated rendering/encoding?

I've watched a couple videos but the guy running the benchmarks was using a pimax at 6k or some shit so he went from like 24fps to 32fps in MSFS24
Anonymous No.546322462 Replies: >>546322748
>>546322269
every day i get closer to advocating for mass killings
Anonymous No.546322748 Replies: >>546322980
>>546322462
It's too late for that anon, far too late
Anonymous No.546322980
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>>546322748
fuck this gay earth
Anonymous No.546323245 Replies: >>546323349
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Frame fags will never know this kino
Anonymous No.546323349 Replies: >>546323557
>>546323245
how much is a quest + accessories vs just a Meme Frame?
Anonymous No.546323557 Replies: >>546323690
>>546323349
Don't bother. New quest is objectively worse than initial quest.
Anonymous No.546323598
>Another Maruitania match lost as attackers even while topping the scoreboard for my team
Yippee
Anonymous No.546323654
>>546264632 (Cross-thread)
>I'd like it if there was a full body striking game, like Thrill of the fight but for karate, kickboxing, TKD, etc. Would be really cool
I think this game has fbt
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1481780/Dragon_Fist_VR_Kung_Fu/
Anonymous No.546323690 Replies: >>546323791
>>546323557
and meme frame is worse than index, answer the question
Anonymous No.546323719
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>>546320958
Assetto Corsa starting now, server details are in the previous post if you're interested
Anonymous No.546323759
>/vrg/ hates the frame because it has worse screens than a $2000 headset and it's not compatible with their ERP trackers
lol
Anonymous No.546323791
>>546323690
you can't buy the og quest anymore.
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>how I'll be playing deadlock next year
Anonymous No.546323892
good 'jonging 'jongers
im sorry
Anonymous No.546323916 Replies: >>546324001 >>546324337
>>546323843
>missing every skillshot and bullet
anon...
Anonymous No.546324001
>>546323916
do you look at your mouse and keyboard when you play shooters?
Anonymous No.546324337
>>546323916
that's my team's problem
Anonymous No.546325784 Replies: >>546325865
Hol’ up
>smacks lips
You mean to tell me
>sucks teeth
It ain’t got colour pass through? Real?
Anonymous No.546325865 Replies: >>546326530
>>546325784
no, but it does have a big nosehole for me to find my beer through
Anonymous No.546325942 Replies: >>546356758
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>who is the target audience
maybe more people than we realize if these comments are anything to go by.
Anonymous No.546326308 Replies: >>546327024
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Have a vintage meme from the Index announcement
Anonymous No.546326332 Replies: >>546326785
>>546315591
I tried it and it's better than lethal but right now the VR mod is outdated so you would have to downgrade
Once it's fully updated then let's have some games
Anonymous No.546326530 Replies: >>546326736 >>546329116
>>546325865
So when I’m playing my flat steam games the room around my floating screen is black and white ? Like a quest 2?
Anonymous No.546326701
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Apologies to palmer luckey I did not know your game quite frankly
Anonymous No.546326736 Replies: >>546328432
>>546326530
yes, OR, most likely it will be some steam-matrix home environment or something
Anonymous No.546326785
>>546326332
the reclining will hereby commence.
Anonymous No.546326794 Replies: >>546327004 >>546327462 >>546327491 >>546327968
So, what, do people love or hate the new valve headset? I can't tell how much of it is shitposting and how much is genuine.
Anonymous No.546327004 Replies: >>546327323 >>546328137
>>546326794
it's just a quest 3
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>>546326308
>everyone saying frame will be $500
Anonymous No.546327123
>>546327024
>Pros: Backed by Facebook
Oh Bloomberg, you funny rag you.
Anonymous No.546327180
>>546318487
>features
that no one used
Anonymous No.546327323
>>546327004
So better because no zucktranny data harvesting?
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Looking good Yuru
Anonymous No.546327462
>>546326794
It's what everyone expected, a Valve branded Quest headset. The only novel thing about it is the dedicated streaming dongle.
Anonymous No.546327491
>>546326794
it's mid fr fr
Anonymous No.546327551
>>546327448
gross
Anonymous No.546327601 Replies: >>546327853 >>546328048 >>546328090 >>546328621
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no, a blanket statement that “Quest 2 has better tracking than SteamVR 2.0” would not be accurate overall.
Here’s the nuance the paper makes clear (and what other tests support):

>Where Quest 2 (Oculus Insight) did better
>Static accuracy & precision:
In controlled, stationary measurements, Quest 2’s inside-out tracking was slightly more accurate and less jittery than SteamVR 2.0 — especially in height (Y-axis) and short-term stability.
>Ease of setup & robustness to drift:
Because it’s inside-out (uses onboard cameras), there’s no external base-station calibration — so it’s simpler and consistent once the room is well lit and feature-rich.

>Where SteamVR 2.0 still excels
>Dynamic motion tracking:
SteamVR 2.0 performs better for fast, complex, or occluded movements (e.g., hand controllers swinging behind you). Quest 2’s cameras can lose tracking when line-of-sight or lighting is poor.
>Large or irregular spaces:
SteamVR base stations cover large areas reliably and don’t depend on visual landmarks or lighting.
>Multi-object tracking:
SteamVR supports precise tracking of multiple external trackers (hands, props, body parts), whereas Quest 2 only tracks its headset and controllers.
>Absolute coordinate consistency:
SteamVR’s Lighthouse system provides a consistent world-space reference across sessions — Quest 2’s inside-out system can shift slightly between play sessions.
Anonymous No.546327689
>AI Sloppa
Anonymous No.546327853
>>546318170
>>546318193
fuck I forgor
>>546327601
Anonymous No.546327968 Replies: >>546329349
>>546326794
love for now. it isn't in the hands of the people yet.
but from the looks of it its gonna be the best headset package bar none.
pretty much all the people shitting on it are either coping because they bought a bigscreen/quest pro recently or just are too stupid and ignorant.
Anonymous No.546328048
>>546327601
will you please stop posting
Anonymous No.546328090 Replies: >>546328194
>>546327601
Am I reading this right? they tested a full fbt setup vs just a normal quest in three point? Of course the accuracy would be less. I think testing 3 point vs 3 point would be a better comparison no?
Anonymous No.546328137 Replies: >>546328384
>>546327004
You fags said that's exactly what you wanted out of valve though because you didn't want to get zucc'd
Anonymous No.546328194
>>546328090
who cares it's an AI post from bnuuy
Anonymous No.546328231 Replies: >>546330763
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NA Volleyball starting in 15mins.
Instance up now for some practice.

https://vrch.at/4q0gez0f
Anonymous No.546328245
if the headset alone, no controllers/accessories or anything, costs like $500 then i'd get one.
Anonymous No.546328384
>>546328137
I don't want this, but I am not the target audience.
Anonymous No.546328432 Replies: >>546328939
>>546326736
But that’s worse than a quest 3 what is this thing ??
Anonymous No.546328621 Replies: >>546328756 >>546329349
>>546327601
almost everything you mentioned is solved by the frame and q3s lol. especially low light and large or irregular spaces.

absolute coordinate consistency only matters if you are combining tracking types otherwise you will quite literally never notice it.

dynamic motion tracking is also solved by the frame as its update frequency is the same or higher than an index.

multi object tracking is something we'll have to wait and see how they implement but to write off the best headset on the market because of 1 possible downside is retard shit dude. especially when every other headset on the market is way more copium than the frame is lol
Anonymous No.546328756 Replies: >>546328846
>>546328621
ok trex gimme ur best rawr
Anonymous No.546328846
>>546328756
rawr
Anonymous No.546328939
>>546328432
it will be better than quest 3 for latency, and presumably the OS will be better/easier to connect to your pc
the passthru is much worse than Q3 though, yea
Anonymous No.546329056 Replies: >>546329343 >>546329359
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>best headset on the market
>LCD screens
Anonymous No.546329116
>>546326530
This is valve very openly giving zero fucks about XR anything. You're here to play in VR; the reality around you is irrelevant.
Anonymous No.546329343
>>546329056
>b-but we have to do it because--
New viable lens tech fucking when, pancakes were a mistake.
Anonymous No.546329349 Replies: >>546329773
>>546327968
I bought a Quest Pro and I am 80% happy with the Frame.
Just wanna know
>will be a face tracking module, not in a "2 more weeks" timeframe, but more like 6 month later at the very least
>how well do the controllers track when they leave the headsets view
>can I deactivate the fugly passthrough when I play my flat games (in a steam vr environment or something), the demo video suggests that you are seeing everything in color, which you do not
>whats the price

It really feels like a "games first headset" which is such a fucking nice thing to see inbetween all those XR/AR, social, AI headsets.
Should the Frame turn out to be shit, there might be other headsets in the near future, hopefully

>>546328621
>reddit spacing
Wasn't even arguing with you. Just wanted a tl;dr of the research. I don't really care much about the lighthouse vs camera tracking as both have their problems and it's more about "What can you deal with".
Camera tracking on my quest 2 and later my quest pro has treated me incredibly well. My lighting seems to be enough and I never lost tracking (unlike the quest pro controllers, those track like hot garbage).
The Index also worked fine, I did notice that sometimes my knuckles or trackers sperged out, most likely because of some rouge reflection. And once you enter the "mixed playspace" rabbit hole and read up on how fucked lighthouses can be because of their micro vibration, which introduce movement, which introduce errors and so on, you wish you never started to read up on it in the first place because lighthouses are (even though they get hyped as some sort of holy cow) a technological dead end.
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>>546329056
Certainly, here is your image as seen on an OLED device!
Anonymous No.546329427
>>546329359
Wow! It's like magic!
Anonymous No.546329661
>>546329359
i think your 4k OLED TV is a little dirty
Anonymous No.546329728
>>546329359
Lookin good
Anonymous No.546329773
>>546329349
>>can I deactivate the fugly passthrough when I play my flat games (in a steam vr environment or something), the demo video suggests that you are seeing everything in color, which you do not
the passthrough is a toggle like index
you sit in the steam grid/skybox by default
Anonymous No.546329870 Replies: >>546329994 >>546330042 >>546330062 >>546330461 >>546330660
Now that it is finally announced I am pretty conflicted. Frame is pretty much what was expected from leaks so I am not surprised but still disappointed. Just need to decide if I go bsb2 now, wait for frame impressions anyway or keep waiting for some future headset. Was going to just get a bsb2 earlier this year but learning that you needed $600+ of extra junk to even use it scared me off but now that the frame seems meh maybe I will just suck it up and pay.
Anonymous No.546329994
>>546329870
I'd say go with the BSB2, way better value.
Anonymous No.546330042
>>546329870
if you don't have lighthouses and haven't stimmed a bsb kit yet just go for the chinkmax dream air
Anonymous No.546330062
>>546329870
frame is wireless, 1/3 of the cost, and significantly better user experience
Anonymous No.546330273
>>546329359
with my vive in AC I seriously can't see past like 50 feet. it turns almost pure white on some maps. I hope the new oleds aren't still like that

also when I try the brightness calibration in RE2R, the upper end looks pure white no matter where I move the slider
Anonymous No.546330396 Replies: >>546330727 >>546330921 >>546331903
>2025
>anon still wants tech that relies on 2 high-speed precision rotating optical assemblies that may or may not wear over time
>this is considered new tech
hard drives with similar high precision motors break all the time because of this
How can people be so short sighted?
Anonymous No.546330461 Replies: >>546330592
>>546329870
If you don't already have basestations and controllers, the BSB2 is a tough sell. At that price, you could also look into the Galaxy XR. It depends on how much you want to invest in VR upfront. Honestly, the Steam Frame doesn't seem terrible for an introductory headset, especially if it's less than $1000 like Valve is implying.
Anonymous No.546330592 Replies: >>546331667
>>546330461
>like Valve is implying
Was there anybody saying something about pricing?
The only thing I was able to find was the short sentence in a Verge article about how it will be cheaper than the current index. However he didn't mention if he was talking about the headset or the kit.
Anonymous No.546330660
>>546329870
Bigscreen makes garbage products with zero quality control
Anonymous No.546330727 Replies: >>546331078
>>546330396
buying a new one every 10 years isn't a big deal
buying once, it handles tracking for everything
and I can aim behind my back which you can't
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>>546328231
Ball slapping is fun
Anonymous No.546330921
>>546330396
I bought all of my base stations used four years ago and just shipped some halfway across the planet and they all still work. They'll certainly outlast whatever headset I get next.
Anonymous No.546331078
>>546330727
>which you can't
there is reason to believe that I can
Anonymous No.546331358 Replies: >>546331906 >>546332385 >>546342979
>>546330763
sell me on it
I keep seeing you guys with your sports ball looking instance up and I can't imagine how it actually would be to play in vr
what is the experience of actually playing this? stand up and position yourself to have your hand contact a ball with weird physics, and hope it goes where you want it?
Anonymous No.546331667
>>546330592
I would definitely assume they were talking about the full kit which would just mean somewhere sub $1000 my guess is would be $700ish but we will have to see.
Anonymous No.546331903 Replies: >>546332226 >>546338227
>>546330396
As an electrical engineer, I'm pretty confident that one could make solid state DLP based lighthouses that would be backwards compatible with basestation 2.0 hardware.

As for failure rates, after about 30k hours in vr with 4x 2.0 basetations, I've had only 2 basestations fail, one after about 15000 hours and one at about 30k hours
Anonymous No.546331906
>>546331358
popular and fun enough where it gets hosted every other day and sometimes with spillover lobbies, not like it costs money or anything, just join and see for yourself.
Anonymous No.546332226 Replies: >>546337650
>>546331903
>I've had only 2 base stations fail
As an electrical engineer you most agree that this sampling size (~1) is not a big pool.

>solid state DLP based lighthouses
And the kit would be more expensive than the Apple Pro as a result.
And all that for a VRChat display.
Anonymous No.546332385
>>546331358
Idk how you want to get sold. Just drop in when it's being hosted and see for yourself. If it isn't for you just leave after a game or two.

It is pretty fun, although the ball physics do go wild at times. Kind of feels like volleyball although I'm still pretty ass and only played it last when I was in school.
Anonymous No.546332452 Replies: >>546332521 >>546332563 >>546332628 >>546332821
current verdict on forefront? thinking about picking it up since i just want some low stakes shoot people gameplay
Anonymous No.546332521
>>546332452
its kino i'm afraid
Anonymous No.546332563
>>546332452
Game is fun, but you're going to be stuck playing with a bunch of kids
Anonymous No.546332628
>>546332452
if you ever played og bf2 or bc2 it's literally just that but with battlebit voip.
Anonymous No.546332789 Replies: >>546332886
>>546319764
>OLED screens
OLED looks shit with pancake lenses. Ask any bigscreen owner.
pancake lenses absorb something like 90% of light, it is a cruel technology. With LCD + low persistence autism valve said the frame gets somewhere over 100 nits. 100 nits is basic bitch unimpressive SDR. You probably see displays that are 300 these days. HDR is like 600-1000+. VR has a real brightness problem unless you go back to fresnel or something thicker that doesn't reflect light back to the screen.
Anonymous No.546332821
>>546332452
It's good if you play anything other than snipers, current recon is ass offensively. Maps are kind of meh IMO but not game ruining.
Anonymous No.546332886
>>546332789
>OLED looks shit with pancake lenses. Ask any bigscreen owner.
bigscreen owner here
uOLED looks fucking amazing with pancakes
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I hate that retail electronics sales are dead. I wish I could just try the BSB2 and the Frame for myself and buy based on my own perception of the visuals and comfort.
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>>546280740 (Cross-thread)
okey great dancing to the few that came today, we stay strong here you have the vids, also full automatized now, amazing

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqVTVLsIotSmySQYZUIWY_T5MkEwigLxW

https://rentry.co/vrgpypy
Anonymous No.546333274 Replies: >>546333897
>>546333001
Demoed the AVP at a store recently and honestly the best part was how enthusiastic the guy was about it
Was talking about how his friend had a whole room dedicated to VR and he owned an oculus himself
It really is a shame quite frankly
Anonymous No.546333321 Replies: >>546333407 >>546333642
Digital Foundry dude asked a Valve engineer about battery life and the reply was "Best case 4hrs, worst case 1hr"
He also mentioned there's multiple power profiles for the headset so hopefully it might be able to stream at good quality on the battery saving mode.
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>>546333001
>retail electronics sales are dead
I was born at least one decade too late to experience the closest thing to "good times" America's had since the coke highs of the 70s and 80s
Anonymous No.546333407 Replies: >>546333479
>>546333321
>"Best case 4hrs, worst case 1hr"
can you give me the link and a time stamp?
Anonymous No.546333479 Replies: >>546333673
>>546333407
https://youtu.be/TmTvmKxl20U?t=315
Watch for about a minute
Anonymous No.546333642
>>546333321
>Best case 4hrs
oh man this thing's going to be a 30 minute brick faster than you can say "where are the customers"
Anonymous No.546333673 Replies: >>546333745 >>546333897
>>546333479
huh... so we have another Quest Pro situation.
Fine for me as long as I can plug in my powerbank
Anonymous No.546333745 Replies: >>546334020
>>546333673
Yeah. I'm gonna hold off one until someone figures out a hotswappable magnetic battery system.
Anonymous No.546333897 Replies: >>546334063 >>546334143
>>546333274
They still sell that old movie?

>>546333673
Quest Pro has the highest res screens for any consumer standalone at that time and eye/face.
And frame is basically a sidegrade of it 5 years later.
Anonymous No.546334020
>>546333745
valve or someone else will make a different strap with a larger battery probably
that or a strap that goes to an easily swappable extension solution perhaps
that or use a extension off the usb-c port in the rear and have it in your pocket like a good wifi user
Anonymous No.546334063
>>546333897
>has
had*
Anonymous No.546334143 Replies: >>546334282 >>546334468 >>546334763
>>546333897
>And frame is basically a sidegrade of it 5 years later.
>Quest Pro 1800x1920 per-eye
>Frame 2160x2160 per-eye
Am I misunderstanding something? the frame clearly has a higher res screen
Anonymous No.546334282
>>546334143
its also 144hz rather than capped at 90hz but lets forget that too
Anonymous No.546334468 Replies: >>546334580 >>546334645 >>546334721 >>546334797
>>546334143
~200 pixel difference per dimension is nothing. PPD is basically the same because frame has higher FOV.
GXR is 3552 x 3840 per eye, and that's what proper resolution bump looks like.
Anonymous No.546334580 Replies: >>546334803
>>546334468
You're mad. Even the additional 200 pixels from Q Pro to Q3 is very noticeable.
Anonymous No.546334645
>>546334468
do you own the GXR
Anonymous No.546334721
>>546334468
>GXR
why would I waste my time trying to get this piece of junk to do what I want it to when the frame is plug and play
Anonymous No.546334763 Replies: >>546335013
>>546334143
I just ran the numbers and it's 35% more
Anonymous No.546334797 Replies: >>546335013
>>546334468
>200 pixels
your math is not mathing...
~300 pixel vertically and ~200 pixel horizontally
It is higher res than the QP. Sorry that you deny reality, but it just is what it is.
Anonymous No.546334803
>>546334580
it's nothing, all things considered
it's retarded to care about 3 ppd dif when you need an extra 20.
Anonymous No.546335013 Replies: >>546335086 >>546335197
>>546334763
>>546334797
Do you really want to cope like that? It's low res shit, it's a fact.
2026 headset my ass, eMagin displays my ass.
Anonymous No.546335059 Replies: >>546354168
>>546312886
https://vrch.at/jt0a0jtq
anmie
Anonymous No.546335086 Replies: >>546335210 >>546335345
>>546335013
>It's low res shit
and your zuckmachine is even lower res shit
Anonymous No.546335197
>>546335013
lmk what the latency is like streaming native res to the 4k uOLEDs on your GXR my man
dab me up with the hard deets
Anonymous No.546335210
>>546335086
Since when it's mine, fanatic? I'm just speaking objectively. Sorry that facts offend you.
Anonymous No.546335345 Replies: >>546335503
>>546335086
you're arguing with a shitskinned ESL indian schizo, save your time, everyone sane can see you're right
Anonymous No.546335503
>>546335345
>indian
didn't know
Maybe he is still on his high from the shit throwing festival
thanks for bringing that to my attention
Anonymous No.546335676
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New favicon on vrchat.com, huh.
Anonymous No.546335678
>YOU ARE RIGHT SAAAR, STEAM FRAME MOST BIATIFUL HEADSET EVER, DON'T LISTEN TO THE BENCHOODS, ENOUGH PIXELS TO WATCH VEGANAS IN HD, EVEN WHILE POOPING ON THE STREET
Anonymous No.546335915 Replies: >>546335979
>be bsb
>brutally mog frame with 40% more pixels
>heh nothin personnel
Anonymous No.546335979 Replies: >>546336203
>>546335915
nigger I can't see the pixels in my vive my eyes are so shot
you're living in 20-20 fantasyland
Anonymous No.546336067 Replies: >>546336585 >>546336667 >>546337852
Can wait for another 5 years of retarded arguments with valve fanatics on why frame is actually the best headset still, just like with index.
Anonymous No.546336167 Replies: >>546336273 >>546336585
I'm just happy now we'll get the terminal indexfags to try wireless vr and stop being sad faggots praising their wires
Anonymous No.546336203 Replies: >>546336782
>>546335979
what is your eyeglass prescription
might I suggest the full cast harry potter audiobook blind anon
Anonymous No.546336273
>>546336167
for me, it's going to be all the little sounds and haptics from steam OS when you click on a game that's the defining feature
Anonymous No.546336295
>and stop being sad faggots
Not going to happen. They are not going to suddenly become any less delusional.
Anonymous No.546336585
>>546336067
>>546336167
finally, REAL games in VR
Anonymous No.546336664
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2160 * 2160 = _4,665,600
3552 * 3840 = 13,639,680
13,639 / 4,665 = 2.95
Anonymous No.546336667
>>546336067
>just like with index.
Are you implying that the index wasn't the best middle of the road headset for a really long time?
Anonymous No.546336782
>>546336203
it's extremely nearsighted like worse than -8 in both eyes
lenses let me see and read but it's not ever great
so display resolution is the least impactful thing on a headset, it's why I give people so much shit for recommending headsets ONLY based off resolution, not taking into account QOL of use or any other tech specs
Anonymous No.546336785 Replies: >>546336953 >>546345836
I've never seen an indian in /vrg/ instances
Anonymous No.546336821 Replies: >>546336963 >>546337470
the bsb2 would be an adequate upgrade over the index if not for the lower resolution at 90hz
Anonymous No.546336895
It would have been fine if it was just 2.8k, like we could have salvaged it at that res, like "it's not the best, but it's fine".
But 2.1k is just too much to take.
Anonymous No.546336953 Replies: >>546337307
>>546336785
Indians don't really play any games, they are just paid to post here, not to actually interact
Anonymous No.546336963
>>546336821
having been a daily index driver for years, it was definitely an upgrade in several aspects
Anonymous No.546337025
New Volleyball instance

https://vrch.at/a58ngxvr
Anonymous No.546337302
https://youtu.be/bWUxObt1efQ?t=1874
>10 to 20ms total latency
If true that would be half the network lag compared to my pico. Might get it just for pavlov...
Anonymous No.546337307
>>546336953
Paid just to shit on the best headset in the world, steam frame, which is actually flawless and still valid in 2026?!
Really?!! That's unforgivable.
Anonymous No.546337470
>>546336821
>Implying vrchat users even get above 30fps most of the time
Anonymous No.546337650
>>546332226
>As an electrical engineer you most agree that this sampling size (~1) is not a big pool.

sample size was 6 base stations but yeah
>>solid state DLP based lighthouses

>And the kit would be more expensive than the Apple Pro as a result.
>And all that for a VRChat display.

DMD chips are cheap, it would be significantly cheaper than current lighthouses
Anonymous No.546337768
https://youtu.be/jis5Q9UEroE
>I tested wireless on Alyx for 15 minutes and it was flawless!
god I fucking hate journalists
Anonymous No.546337852
>>546336067
no it's going to just be another 6 years of coping for the REAL valve deckard

>nope not going to play questslop
>nope not going to play frameslop
Anonymous No.546337874 Replies: >>546337960 >>546339958
Galaxy XR has almost 200% more pixels than Steam Frame. Let that sink in for a second.
Anonymous No.546337960 Replies: >>546338032
>>546337874
how many of them does it actually render?
Anonymous No.546337981 Replies: >>546338292
if you guys actually thought Frame would use lighthouses yiu're genuinely fucking retarded
Valve needed to aim for a bigger audience, and the first step is catering to the large mass of people who don't want to set up all that extra shit instead of the minority that cares about putting their arms behind their back
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So these are made by and for furries huh?
Anonymous No.546338032 Replies: >>546338069 >>546338340
>>546337960
You only need to render where you look. Both headsets have eye tracking.
Anonymous No.546338069 Replies: >>546338241
>>546338032
and that number is?
Anonymous No.546338150
>>546338030
vrchat? yea
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>>546331903
>I'm pretty confident that one could make solid state DLP based lighthouses that would be backwards compatible with basestation 2.0 hardware
Nah, not really. The 2.0 lighthouses rely on an actual spinning laser plane continuous analog sweep with super-tight timing. A DLP physically can’t reproduce the continuous, linear, high-precision laser sweep that Lighthouse uses for triangulation. You’d end up with a completely different tracking system, not a solid-state drop-in replacement.
>pic related
>just invent a new standard
Anonymous No.546338241 Replies: >>546338308
>>546338069
why does the exact number matter, both headset should be able to render at panel native in the fovea region
is that your way to cope?
Anonymous No.546338292
>>546337981
the expandable architecture is actually a really good solution. I am sure someone will make extra camera kits for face tracking and 360 degree camera tracking so frame-lets will be able to scratch their butts and have it be fully tracked
Anonymous No.546338308
>>546338241
we're talking numbers here
spit em out already
you do own the GXR right?
Anonymous No.546338340 Replies: >>546338434
>>546338032
Virtual Desktop doesn't support eye tracked foveated encoding for the GXR
Anonymous No.546338434 Replies: >>546338508
>>546338340
what about steam link? who cares about incompetent gay goblin
Anonymous No.546338483 Replies: >>546338772
>>546317397
>>546317785
I love my quest pro and qpro controllers. Honestly they need to make FBT trackers that is just a no button qpro controller.
Anonymous No.546338508 Replies: >>546338821
>>546338434
oh steam link that sends you a 1440p image? i'm sure they're gonna support the gayXR
Anonymous No.546338772 Replies: >>546338972
>>546338483
https://www.vive.com/us/accessory/vive-ultimate-tracker/
Anonymous No.546338821
>>546338508
>gayXR
call it what you want, i don't care as long as I can read books and work in vr without having switch back and forth with flatshit monitors
Anonymous No.546338854 Replies: >>546338994
Man... desu after all this waiting, if you didn't have a price maybe you shouldn't have announced it...
Anonymous No.546338972
>>546338772
Exactly like that but with Zuck software cause the vive software sucks and loses tracking a lot
Anonymous No.546338994 Replies: >>546339173
>>546338854
who cares about the price when the res is so shit?
if you are a price-conscious poorfag, just buy a fucking quest
Anonymous No.546339173 Replies: >>546339376
>>546338994
>when the res is so shit?
are you mad?
Anonymous No.546339376 Replies: >>546339497
>>546339173
not mad, just disappointed that I have to go back to android mines if I want to have a headset with a half-decent screen and eye/face
Anonymous No.546339497 Replies: >>546339653
>>546339376
>disappointed
then you haven't paid attention to the leaks. Nothing new has been revealed.
The leaks were meant to manage your expectations
Anonymous No.546339650 Replies: >>546339820 >>546339859
bsb2e, frame, gxr, and dream air all mean more eyetracking among more users
this means devs might stop being lazy pieces of shit and finally implement foveated rendering!
Anonymous No.546339653
>>546339497
people were coping with "it's just an engineering sample! no way the screens are actually 2160", nobody expected valve to actually be that retarded and release it as is
Anonymous No.546339820
>>546339650
>devs might stop being lazy pieces of shit
Anon... I...
Anonymous No.546339859 Replies: >>546339946
>>546339650
>bsb2e, frame, gxr, and dream air
total market share: 3%
q2+q3 is something like 70% btw
Anonymous No.546339946 Replies: >>546340017 >>546340030
>>546339859
q2 is deprecated, worthless
q3 is kids, they can barely perceive where they are at any given point in time
we won't get a q4 anytime soon
Anonymous No.546339958
>>546337874
got water everywhere
Anonymous No.546340017
>>546339946
you're right, time to preorder the Frame when it's available
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>>546339946
Anonymous No.546340215 Replies: >>546340489
>>546340030
did I stutter?
Anonymous No.546340369 Replies: >>546340489
most used resolution is 1080p and most used gpu is rtx3060, no one white uses that, i literally don't give a fuck about poor people and their market share, give me the high end hardware I will pay for it
Anonymous No.546340489 Replies: >>546340659 >>546340734
>>546340215
yeah, you did actually
here, try talking without my cock in your mouth and call your mother

>>546340369
people with headsets are a tiny minority, that logic doesn't really apply here
>give me the high end hardware I will pay for it
I agree with this though
Anonymous No.546340650
>most used resolution is 1080p
there is nothing wrong 1080p, the res of even the best, most expensive headsets on the market is barely on 1080p PPD level
Anonymous No.546340659 Replies: >>546340771
>>546340489
>here, try talking without my cock in your mouth and call your mother
what kind of poweremoting furry roleplay is this
Anonymous No.546340661
i luv my mahjong frens
<3
Anonymous No.546340734
>>546340489
you gay nigga
Anonymous No.546340771
>>546340659
I don't know, you tell me, you gay retard
Anonymous No.546340935 Replies: >>546341023 >>546341054 >>546341108 >>546341115 >>546341117
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I'm retarded. I know that there is a drama about steam frame not having lighthouse tracking and not having face tracking. People have been speculating about an addon to add face tracking to it. Would it be impractical to create a lighthouse tracking addon for the headset alongside the use of lighthouse compatible controllers?

On that same note, I see people upset about the monochrome passthrough. Could that port be used instead for a color pass-through camera addon?
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>>546340935
valve could just sell a core module that has lighthouse tracking built in teehee
Anonymous No.546341054
>>546340935
sure the port could be used for those things, but someone would have to engineer them first
Anonymous No.546341108
>>546340935
sure
people COULD make anything and things WOULD be practical
you better be friendly to furries. they'll safe your vr (again)
Anonymous No.546341115
>>546340935
no its extremely easy to add lighthouse tracking to the headset, literally glue a tracker to it and override the camera in steamvr config

yes, adding anything to it will be extremely easy as its linux
Anonymous No.546341117 Replies: >>546341314 >>546341505
>>546340935
You can't cope with garbage panels no matter what you do. The frame is DOA.
Anonymous No.546341168
The thing being open sauce is fantastic. We'll finally be able to access the SLAM maps and share them with potential pico-like trackers
Anonymous No.546341314
>>546341117
anon the frame was DOA just because it's another VR headset
this is a dead medium propped up by furry ERP
Anonymous No.546341484
all i wished for steam frame to be 3k and it would be perfect, it has everything i want but the resolution
Anonymous No.546341504 Replies: >>546342332
>>546338227
>Nah, not really. The 2.0 lighthouses rely on an actual spinning laser plane continuous analog sweep with super-tight timing. A DLP physically can’t reproduce the continuous, linear, high-precision laser sweep that Lighthouse uses for triangulation. You’d end up with a completely different tracking system, not a solid-state drop-in replacement.

For about half of each revolution, the lasers are behind the spinning drum, that leaves a time gap during which a DLP based system could return to its initial position and initiate a new sweep. From the perspective of the tracked device everything would appear the same.
Anonymous No.546341505
>>546341117
I'm disappointed that it's not some kind of paradigm changing quantum leap, but I think that I might be willing to cope with it. I'm a casual who's been filtered by the cables in the past.
Anonymous No.546342332
>>546341504
Even IF your DLP could magically reset between sweeps (big if, because we need to assume its perfectly timed, perfectly synced and there is no discontinuity, like... AT ALL)
>no coherent, planar beam
>timing to angle mapping wouldn't be linear
>x/y phase coupling would drift
>optical waveform wouln't match what sensors expect

Even if you solve the timing problem, you’re still fighting geometry, optics, and signal-shape problems that make it impossible to appear identical to the spinning laser system.
Anonymous No.546342613
i cant wait for frankendeckards
Anonymous No.546342752
fitting, that headset is already a stillborn corpse
Anonymous No.546342979 Replies: >>546345448
>>546331358
Have you ever seen HAIKYU? It actually plays exactly like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UiaQ3jVOpw
Anonymous No.546343540 Replies: >>546344073
>>546316451
REDOUT VR WHEN
Anonymous No.546343750
>>546316990
frame works in the dark via IR emitters
Anonymous No.546344073
>>546343540
i need to get redout 2 next time it's on sale and try it with UEVR because apparently UEVR works really well with it and it ends up being a better experience than native VR redout 1
Anonymous No.546344740 Replies: >>546345185
>>546308857
Tell your boss to fix the website certificates, shill
Anonymous No.546344859
Anyone know how I can record from Steam? The recording is corrupted every time I try the built in screen recorder
Anonymous No.546345138 Replies: >>546345270
This is the first time I hear about the lighthouse shit, your snowflake tech was adopted by exactly 0 competitors so get fucked, Valve pushes the industry forward and to do that it has to start off from where the industry is currently at, so you're getting an upgraded Quest 3
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>>546344740
It expired more than 3 years ago.
Most likely the server hosting the site was not updated too. Know any 3-year-old 0days?
Anonymous No.546345270 Replies: >>546345542
>>546345138
>pushes the industry forward
>by first stepping backwards 20 steps
Fuck off you retarded mongoloid who can't mount a fucking base station
Anonymous No.546345446
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>>546345185
Anonymous No.546345448
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>>546342979
not that anon but
>not available in your country
Anonymous No.546345542 Replies: >>546345640
>>546345270
The extra cameras will track the controllers, I don't need to commit an entire area for VR play and now I can play whenever I want
Anonymous No.546345614
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FFFUUUCKKKK I ALREADY SENT MY DICK PICS TO ZUCKERBERG FOR A QUEST 3! I SHOULD HAVE WAITED!!!!!!
Anonymous No.546345640 Replies: >>546345769 >>546345946
>>546345542
Until you want to use full body tracking, sure
Anonymous No.546345769 Replies: >>546345951 >>546346084
>>546345640
full body tracking has no practical use for video games, only chatrooms
Anonymous No.546345836 Replies: >>546346251
>>546336785
I want to join but I don't want to be the target of poo jokes :(. I don't mind being called sir though.
Anonymous No.546345946 Replies: >>546346084
>>546345640
Use the Frame's expansion port for a full body tracker that doesn't rely on an infrared lightshow
Anonymous No.546345951 Replies: >>546346180
>>546345769
VR has no practical use as a gaming media, only to display flat shit
Anonymous No.546346084 Replies: >>546346283 >>546346367
>>546345769
Oh you're the schizo yeah opinion discarded
>>546345946
>a full body tracker that doesn't rely on an infrared lightshow
Don't exist
Anonymous No.546346180 Replies: >>546346379
>>546345951
the funniest thing, the only flatshit it can properly run is text heavy indie garbage
but the panels are too low res for text
Anonymous No.546346251 Replies: >>546346601
>>546345836
I’ve been trying to get you to join for 2-3years now? Please you will not regret
Anonymous No.546346283 Replies: >>546346529
>>546346084
>Don't exist
"Doesn't exist", retarded ESL pajeet.
Anonymous No.546346367 Replies: >>546346529
>>546346084
>Doesn't exist
Exactly loser, you need a better one, one that doesn't rely on a fuckhuge setup, one you can carry anywhere.
Anonymous No.546346379 Replies: >>546346518 >>546347113
>>546346180
A nice clear crisp equivalent area of a 1080p LCD monitor...
I ACTUALLY DONT FUCKING GET IT
Why would I do that shit rather than use my nice gaming monitor
Therer is no fucking way their cutesy little depth effect is worth it
Anonymous No.546346476
>>546319370
How much better is a Galaxy XR?
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>>546346379
Steam Deck sold millions of units with upscaled 800p.
Anonymous No.546346529 Replies: >>546346657 >>546346772 >>546346946
>>546346283
(They) do not exist
Don't exist
Can always count on a fucktard indian to project I suppose because he fails to understand implied words omitted in casual speech.
>>546346367
>"No lighthouses is good, it pushes the industry forward!"
>Untill you want FBT
>"Use a lighthouseless FBT!"
>They don't exist
>"Well yeah DUH they don't exist, you need a better one!!!"
What are you smoking retard
Anonymous No.546346601
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>>546346251
"Please Sir"
Anonymous No.546346657 Replies: >>546347649
>>546346529
>>a full body tracker that doesn't rely on an infrared lightshow
>Don't exist
SAAAAR
Anonymous No.546346663 Replies: >>546352823
Interesting reaction to the question here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7q2CS8HDHU&t=1705s
I was really hoping for an updated steam home that let you easily jump into games with people or just watch them play. I think something like that would be the big feature that could actually drive adoption. Maybe it's not ready yet. They did react funny.
Anonymous No.546346686 Replies: >>546347074 >>546347094
>>546346518
SO YOURE SAYING THERE IS A CHANCE THEY RELEASE AN OLED MODEL
Anonymous No.546346697
>available in Australia
ok i might actually buy it if it’s not overpriced for us
Anonymous No.546346772
>>546346529
>he doubles down on his retardness
Anonymous No.546346946 Replies: >>546347437 >>546347829
>>546346529
I'm smoking the "nobody fucking used lighthouse" joint, want some?
It's been
TEN
FUCKING
YEARS
and nobody in their right mind tried to make their version of lighthouse, you need a new one, this one sucks.
Make a mocopi receiver on the expansion port of the Frame and start from there, bam, attach 6 pucks to your body and you can cum in furries anyplace anytime, already better than your shit.
>But I already have my shit
Fuck you, simple as
Anonymous No.546346958 Replies: >>546347121 >>546347197
>didn't want to be trapped in my bedroom for VR so I was waiting for the deckard because I wanted something that could do (GOOD) inside out tracking
>the passthrough is black&white so now i'll have to walk around in a buster keaton film in AR
thanks valve

what are the chances of it being possible to turn the galaxy xr into a super-deckard and wipe android and replace it with linux and have all the hardware work with open source third party software within the next year?

or should i just buy a deckard now and wait 10 years for deckard 2.0 to be better?
Anonymous No.546347074
>>546346686
Steam deck did make an Oled model, the Frame just has to sell
Anonymous No.546347094
>>546346686
If it does well I could see it happening in a few years but who knows
Anonymous No.546347113 Replies: >>546347489 >>546347640
>>546346379
>1080p LCD monitor
not even close, retard
1080p monitor is 38 PPD at normal viewing distance
steam feces is something like 24
Anonymous No.546347121
>>546346958
They did say they were open to other headsets supporting steamOS
Just 2 more weeks anon
Anonymous No.546347197 Replies: >>546347396
>>546346958
passthrough isn't important for VR, that's an AR thing
go steal a vision pro
Anonymous No.546347396 Replies: >>546347482 >>546347515
>>546347197
I want to do spatial computing in it (assuming the resolution is good enough). I want to be aware of my surroundings while i'm working and I don't want to be in a hideous black and white world.
Anonymous No.546347437
>>546346946
>mocopi

lmaooooooooooo
Anonymous No.546347482 Replies: >>546347621
>>546347396
spacial cringeputing
your only option for 5+ years will be crapple, sorry bub
Anonymous No.546347489
>>546347113
>steam feces is something like 24
maybe peak, the average would be some like 22
Anonymous No.546347515
>>546347396
But why? NTA but I have a Q3 and it's passthrough is bretty good but just a novelty.
Anonymous No.546347621 Replies: >>546347845
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>>546347482
crapple is glowniggerware, deckard has loonix, it's almost perfect
Anonymous No.546347640
>>546347113
You thought that 4k dlss smear was bad?
Oh you weren't ready for the 720p fsr grey blur gaming clearly
Anonymous No.546347649 Replies: >>546347794 >>546347859
>>546346657
Post a link to where I can buy lighthouseless FBT trackers, you can't you faggot jeet
Anonymous No.546347683 Replies: >>546347780
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>troonix
Anonymous No.546347780
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>>546347683
Anonymous No.546347794 Replies: >>546348008
>>546347649
slimevr and other competitors, you just have to recalibrate ever 3 minutes to avoid drift. or wait for the magical magnetic trackers to come out and hope they are good.
Anonymous No.546347829
>>546346946
>mocopi
oh wait, you're serious?
Bahahahahaha
Mocopi exists purely for japs to try and scam vtuber wannabees
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>>546347621
>almost perfect
spacial computing is a stupid, stupid idea and even the most brainwashed apple goycattle went back to physical screens in less than a month
Anonymous No.546347859 Replies: >>546348121
>>546347649
>literally quotes "a full body tracker"
>replies with "don't exist"
SAAAAAAAR, LOOK LESS VEGANAS ON THE INTERNET AND MORE GRAMMAR BOOK, SAAAR
Anonymous No.546347904 Replies: >>546348045
>>546347845
if brad lynch is to be believed he's been using his for years and got rid of all his monitors
Anonymous No.546348008
>>546347794
>you just have to recalibrate ever 3 minutes for them to 'work'
Yeah nah that's not what any sane human calls functional
Anonymous No.546348045 Replies: >>546348159
>>546347904
do you also work as a full-time vr shill?
Anonymous No.546348121 Replies: >>546348347
>>546347859
>No link
I accept your concession
Anonymous No.546348159
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>>546348045
Anonymous No.546348175 Replies: >>546348347
how good will the steam frame be at productivity apps where you are reading tiny balls text
Anonymous No.546348213
>>546308857
>Note: The last update made by the developers was over 3 years ago. The information and timeline described by the developers here may no longer be up to date.
Anonymous No.546348259 Replies: >>546348319 >>546348347 >>546348460 >>546348480 >>546349478
what windows games will actually run at decent settings on the steam frame via their crazy arm translation thing? i have an actual use case for this in that i don't want to own a computer
Anonymous No.546348319
>>546348259
uh, balatro, random indieslop, rougelites, solitaire
Anonymous No.546348347 Replies: >>546348420
>>546348121
PLEASE REDEEM THE GRAMMAR BOOK BEFORE POSTING IN THIS THREAD, BLOODY BENCHOOD BASTARD
THANK YOU RAPE YOU TOMORROW

>>546348175
lol

>>546348259
lol
Anonymous No.546348420
>>546348347
DON"T LAUGH AT ME
Anonymous No.546348460 Replies: >>546348514
>>546348259
you could probably play unmodded skyrim in 1080p
Anonymous No.546348480
>>546348259
If Hades 2 runs good then you can play everything before 2015 with ease.
Anonymous No.546348514 Replies: >>546348589
>>546348460
fuck yea
Anonymous No.546348559 Replies: >>546348624 >>546348643 >>546348692 >>546351760
how could it be powerful enough to run windows pcvr games though i mean thats crazy right
Anonymous No.546348589 Replies: >>546348824
>>546348514
for 45 mins
Anonymous No.546348624
>>546348559
>run windows pcvr games
It doesn't
Anonymous No.546348643 Replies: >>546348693
>>546348559
What part of "noticeably less powerful than a steam deck" you didn't understand?
Anonymous No.546348692
>>546348559
The VR games they demoed in standalone mode were Quest 2 ports.
Anonymous No.546348693 Replies: >>546348804
>>546348643
ive never touched a steam deck because im not a baby
Anonymous No.546348804
>>546348693
>Not a bby
>Posts in /vg/ designated baby general
Kekarooo!
Anonymous No.546348824 Replies: >>546348882
>>546348589
am i the only person in here who has a cable attached to their face at all times
Anonymous No.546348856
>>546348730
where do you think we are, ERP boy?
Anonymous No.546348882
>>546348824
Yes, I play beat saber I can't afford to yank my PC whenever I flail my arms around.
Anonymous No.546349478 Replies: >>546350052
>>546348259
As long as it's on steam library it'll probably work
Anonymous No.546350052
>>546349478
at silky smooth 5 fps
the vrchat transfolks would feel right at home
Anonymous No.546350120
>>546348730
Hahahaha
Anonymous No.546350274 Replies: >>546350340 >>546350430
should I draw or play VRC tonight
Anonymous No.546350340 Replies: >>546351267
>>546350274
Draw in VRC friends+ instance
Anonymous No.546350430
>>546350274
drink alchie in pitch darkness while you watch comfort yt sloppa as comfort (European extreme difficulty)
Anonymous No.546350730
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Friendly reminder that there's NA Walkabout Mini Golf tonightor tomorrow figure timezones out yourself at 10PM ET (in ~21h). Hope to see you there.
Anonymous No.546351267
>>546350340
I'd have to be desktopper and I don't think there would be a ton of point to it switching my trackers to upper body mode might be interesting but I don't want to try and figure that out tonight
Anonymous No.546351760
>>546348559
It can't run Alyx natively yet, which is a 5-6 year old game
Anonymous No.546352526
>>546348730
anon are you lost in the cross-board drift
Anonymous No.546352758
>>546319737
kek
Anonymous No.546352823
>>546346663
the lack of social stuff is kinda lame
Anonymous No.546352931
As a Valve Index user of 4+ years, I have been given exactly 0 reasons to "upgrade" to the new Index 0.5.

How the fuck did Gabe manage to alienate both budget and premium VR markets at the same time is astonishing.
Anonymous No.546353120 Replies: >>546375357
>>546318370
i kinda expected it having no depth cams like Q3 but having not even color passthough is IMO a major step back. whether the hardware offering is good depends on the price if they come out not far from Q3 with much better GPU and software its gonna be amazing value if its x2 Q3 its not gonna be amazing value
Anonymous No.546353249 Replies: >>546353278 >>546353998 >>546354574 >>546358554 >>546375530
If new frame is NOT same price as quest 3 or cheaper it is DOA
Anonymous No.546353278
>>546353249
$900 is probably gonna be it's price point
Anonymous No.546353998
>>546353249
You don't have to buy a $200 router for the steam frame
Anonymous No.546354168
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>>546335059
thanks for coming frems
see you on sunday for more death note, sanda, and yuugure
Anonymous No.546354574 Replies: >>546355205
>>546353249
~700 to 800 bucks is where I see it coming in and being a strong competitor to the Quest. $900 bucks is pushing it, but if foveation gets enough support, a reasonable argument could be made.
Anonymous No.546355205
>>546354574
if it's 600 to 700 and ships to more parts of the world than it's a very solid win. In some parts of the world, due to shipping and import fees, a quest ends up costing almost double, and that's money that the zucc is just leaving there on the table for gaben to snatch up.
Anonymous No.546355802
>>546311961
Gotta add OLED. LCD in 2026 is almost laughable. Also color cameras for being able to play games in VR but with your oom in the background. I genuinely hope you're actually an engineer at Valve. Godspeed.
Anonymous No.546355874
>>546311961
dick sucking attachment
Anonymous No.546355971 Replies: >>546356212 >>546356235
what is the best headset for productivity now? is it still the air XR
Anonymous No.546356212
>>546355971
Quest pro right?
Anonymous No.546356216 Replies: >>546356356 >>546356369 >>546356476 >>546357297
im lonely
Anonymous No.546356235 Replies: >>546356492
>>546355971
almost certainly the frame when it comes out next year because it will have a real OS and not some android shit
Anonymous No.546356340 Replies: >>546356578
>>546311003
>pretty confirmed dogshit,
The frame isn't dogshit at all, it's just 2 years late. It's the best wireless headset on the market until the quest pro/samsung XR came out.
Anonymous No.546356356 Replies: >>546356378
>>546356216
why?
Anonymous No.546356369
>>546356216
Hi, lonely. I'm racist (motorsport variant).
Anonymous No.546356378 Replies: >>546356538 >>546356942
>>546356356
i burnt too many bridges
Anonymous No.546356476
>>546356216
Hi, lonely. I'm racist (nigger hating variant).
Anonymous No.546356492 Replies: >>546356578 >>546357394
>>546356235
a productivity headset would be simply a display and input device for an actual computer
Anonymous No.546356538 Replies: >>546356837
>>546356378
why'd you do it?
Anonymous No.546356578
>>546356492
>>546356340
but with lenses that are good enough to read tiny text without hurting your brain
Anonymous No.546356593
>>546314030
If you actually look up the latency that valve achieved, it actually is the same as wired. We'll see if it's still the case when it comes out but the latency is VERY LOW.
Anonymous No.546356758
>>546325942
Nice, the used market will be solid. All these retards will use it for like 3 hours, get buyer's remorse then sell it.
Anonymous No.546356837 Replies: >>546356930
>>546356538
Nobody likes me
Anonymous No.546356930 Replies: >>546357405
>>546356837
Have you tried being likable? Maybe you're too racist? Maybe cool it with the transphobia?
Anonymous No.546356942
>>546356378
nothing that's sucking a few dicks couldn't fix
Anonymous No.546357043 Replies: >>546357125 >>546364551
I'm going to buy a steam frame to play VRChat in desktop
Anonymous No.546357125
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>>546357043
Anonymous No.546357164
I'm going to buy a steam frame to desktop drink at spawn in a mahjong circle
Anonymous No.546357297 Replies: >>546357484
>>546356216
Wanna be my girlfriend in VRChat?
Anonymous No.546357394
>>546356492
depends on the productivity needs. For writing emails, power point, spreadsheets, etc, not much compute is actually needed. A headset and bluetooth keyboard would be a sufficient replacement for a similarly priced laptop.

for dev work, a lot more compute would typically needed, but there is the special case of developing VR games and software on real VR hardware, something to my knowledge just isn't possible on any other platform without side loading a file manager and a ton of other shit just to get things sort of working.

>gravity sketch for quest can't export because there is no file manager and isn't really intended for game modeling
>godot for quest has it's projects squirreled away in a strange bubble on the device that can't be accessed by other quest apps
>is there event a good 2d painting suite for quest?
>is there a proper DAW for the quest? I know there is some music sandbox software but not sure how "musical" it really is or more of a music-themed game
Anonymous No.546357405
>>546356930
too late for that
Anonymous No.546357484 Replies: >>546357560
>>546357297
hint?
Anonymous No.546357553
25 days of /a/utism groupwatch happening this year?
Anonymous No.546357560 Replies: >>546359484
>>546357484
Yes, I am flirting with you. Can you act like a clingy girl who acts cute and innocent in public and in private instances drains my balls empty?
Anonymous No.546357650 Replies: >>546357727 >>546360510 >>546361317
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>the cameras included in the new steam headset are monochromatic
>you have to pay extra to install color cameras
Anonymous No.546357727
>>546357650
How much do I have to pay extra for OLED displays? I'd like that please
Anonymous No.546358071
they're monochromatic ir cameras
with regular color cameras passthrough wouldn't work in the dark
it's what lets you see in the dark with a rift s if you have an external ir emitter
Anonymous No.546358554
>>546353249
it's worth $1500
Anonymous No.546359484 Replies: >>546359618
>>546357560
anon is asking for a hint to your in game name or a link to an instance you are in
Anonymous No.546359618 Replies: >>546359839 >>546359905
>>546359484
Sorry, it is no nut november, I will not be on VRChat until december 1st comes :(
Anonymous No.546359839
>>546359618
>needing to stop playing vrchat because it will make you goon 24/7
wow, truly crazy vrchat meta
Anonymous No.546359905
>>546359618
Play forefront!
Anonymous No.546360510
>>546357650
Sell the transparent shell version Valve.
Anonymous No.546361317
>>546357650
i don't care about passthrough, but I feel like I could end up using it at least once given that IR illuminators + no IR filter on cameras equals free toy nightvision goggles for home use. it's nothing particularly useful, but i like the gimmick
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Looking to play Munchkin again at 21:00 CET tonight. Come join or watch, it's easy to jump in.
Anonymous No.546361693 Replies: >>546362271
Passthrough niggers be like:
When I buy a monitor or TV I do so to enjoy the wall behind it
Anonymous No.546362073 Replies: >>546362176
>no price announcement for deckard
if they'd announce a price i'd know if i should sell my quest 3 or not
Anonymous No.546362176 Replies: >>546362317 >>546362515
>>546362073
Expect ~$900. Valve has said it will be less than the index, and that's all they've said regarding price. However, I wouldn't expect it to be much less at all.
The price could change drastically as well if trump announces another surprise tariff because he saw a tweet about chinese chilli sauce or something
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>>546361693
on my quest 3 I usually watch movies in a virtual theatre anyway, however, on 4xvr video player, you can play a movie in a passthrough screen and shit is cool and impressive

when I show off the vr concept to people first thing I do is play youtube or 4xvr videos in a floating window in passthrough, because that's what the future will eventually be, floating screens from confortable low-weight wearable hardware, in my head hardware that displays shit is just for when you are watching with other people, the floating screens in passthrough can go through/over your house or apartment wall's limits, it's neat

also passthrough is a feature in porn apps like deovr player, you only see the woman in your room, I don't think I ever nutted to that more than a few times as a gimmick, but shit IS really cool
Anonymous No.546362317 Replies: >>546362403
>>546362176
i'm not american so tariff prices mean nothing to me
Anonymous No.546362403 Replies: >>546362470 >>546362524
>>546362317
Aren't they manufactured in America anyways so they'd pay tariffs on components and then a further import tax and local taxes? Can't see it being less than €1000 after all that.
Anonymous No.546362470 Replies: >>546362515
>>546362403
idk if it's the same price retail as a quest 3 i can just sell mine for retail - 200 or something and pick up a steam goondeck
Anonymous No.546362515
>>546362176
>>546362470
This is more likely, nearly double the price of a quest 3.
Anonymous No.546362524
>>546362403
No they're being made in china.
Anonymous No.546362898 Replies: >>546362934 >>546363101
Any chance they'll sell they headset alone? I'd rather use my knuckles with lighthouse tracking since I have it anyways... What do you all think the headset only price would be, assuming they sell it like that ofc.
Anonymous No.546362934
>>546362898
you'd think they might because you can get valve index controllers alone but i doubt it
Anonymous No.546363101
>>546362898
Those controllers are nothing special, they probably add $100 to the price tops. Doubt they'll bother offering headset only for people who want to ghetto rig it into LH system, and doubt you'd get any serious discount on that.
Anonymous No.546363143 Replies: >>546363168 >>546363192 >>546363228 >>546363532 >>546369428
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Now that the dust has settled

Should I upgrade from my quest 3
Anonymous No.546363168
>>546363143
no
Anonymous No.546363192
>>546363143
meh
Anonymous No.546363228
>>546363143
No reason to.
Anonymous No.546363532 Replies: >>546363617
>>546363143
Not really, especially if you already invested in a router, headstrap, batteries and other accessories.
Anonymous No.546363617 Replies: >>546363672
>>546363532
Yeah, I have all of that. Guess I’ll be waiting until Quest 4
Anonymous No.546363672
>>546363617
I think there's a decent chance there won't be a quest 4. If AI doesn't work out, meta is going to cut shit they don't care about.
Anonymous No.546363853 Replies: >>546363912
wait for higher res oled steam frame
Anonymous No.546363912
>>546363853
Rumor has it that valve will offer different screen options, check again in 2 weeks.
Anonymous No.546364460
im putting my money right up my ass but nothing is happening it doesn't do anything
Anonymous No.546364551 Replies: >>546365280
>>546357043
will it be able to play the pcvr version without a computer using FEX?
Anonymous No.546365280
>>546364551
most likely, but not well
Anonymous No.546365349 Replies: >>546365394 >>546367008
Looking to upgrade, do I get a 5070 Ti or a RX 7900 XTX? With VR being the primary usage
Anonymous No.546365394 Replies: >>546365679 >>546366070
>>546365349
The usual adage is that friends don't let friends get AMD for VR and it's still more or less true
Anonymous No.546365679 Replies: >>546368406
>>546365394
why :(
Anonymous No.546365787 Replies: >>546366093 >>546366906
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it looks red-tinted-transparent in the LTT video
is it just the different lighting? i still prefer a fully transperant shell
Anonymous No.546366057
>>546362271
built for BWC
Anonymous No.546366070
>>546365394
amd is fine for vr
Anonymous No.546366093
>>546365787
since you see the same tint on the avp on the right it's most likely just a reflection of their camera setup
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Alright, I think we're finally cooking.
Technically this is sloppier but I think it looks way better.
Anonymous No.546366906
>>546365787
That's how IR-transparent plastic looks through some cameras and under certain lighting conditions, it's because IR is close to the red visible-light spectrum.
Anonymous No.546367008 Replies: >>546367881 >>546368008 >>546368109
>>546365349
been using a 7900XTX personally and it's been just fine. 24GB of VRAM is kino
Anonymous No.546367881
>>546367008
>24GB of VRAM is kino
Finally, I can load 3 booth avatars at the same time
Anonymous No.546368008 Replies: >>546369116
>>546367008
wish i bought that one on release so i can run 24GB VRAM LLMs
Anonymous No.546368090
>>546366828
Niceeeee
Anonymous No.546368109 Replies: >>546368186
>>546367008
this is the reason i'm asking, I have 10GBs right now and is the main reason I'm upgrading, I just don't know if the extra 8GBs of VRAM is worth it over the 5070 Ti
Anonymous No.546368186 Replies: >>546368317
>>546368109
Well I was using a 12GB 3080 before I switched, the difference is noticeable from that, everything chugs hard when you render several avatars, but the 7900XTX really doesn't give a fuck
Anonymous No.546368317 Replies: >>546368504 >>546368689
>>546368186
pretty much the same boat as me then as I have a 10GB 3080
Anonymous No.546368406
>>546365679
driver support and other things like dlss lacking
i had amd, now i have nvidia
nvidia is better for vr even though i had no problems on amd except for less features
Anonymous No.546368504 Replies: >>546368689 >>546369004
>>546368317
real problems are
>you're still CPU limited unless you're rocking like a 7800X3D or better, and
>good fucking luck finding one for a decent price
Anonymous No.546368689 Replies: >>546369004
>>546368504
>>546368317
or well, let me correct
at least for me, there are still bottlenecks, I dunno if it's threading or something else, neither CPU or GPU really seem to work at max capacity except in rare situations, really feels like somehow I'm not getting the most out of it, but it was the same with the 3080
Anonymous No.546369004
>>546368504
>>546368689
i have a i9-12900K, i'm just looking to fix what I can at the moment and that to me is my lack of VRAM.
Anonymous No.546369116 Replies: >>546369654 >>546369718
>>546368008
>Run ai llm on amd
Good luck
Anonymous No.546369428
>>546363143
If it tickles your taint to do so then go ahead don't let us stop you
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>>546369116
i think thats trivial nowdays there's drivers that just werk
Anonymous No.546369718 Replies: >>546370171
>>546369116
There's actually a lot of big money going into making AMD cards work with AI models simply because AMD has compute to sell and AI datacentres are simply that hungry
Anonymous No.546370171
>>546369718
server cards
>>546369654
good luck!
Anonymous No.546370183 Replies: >>546370210 >>546370287
>Increased AW-N Bullet Velocity by 55%
Forefront recon might actually be usable now
Anonymous No.546370210
>>546370183
This wasn't even a problem
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>>546370183
General
The Talon-92 for the Engineer Class is now unlocked sooner
Fixed ping not showing inside the server browserFixed bad frame rate for the pilots / passengers inside the Transport Helicopter
Balancing
Reduced repair tool speed of the pilot / driver of vehicles by 75%
Reduced repair tool speed after a damage hitIncreased AW-N Bullet Velocity by 55%
Anonymous No.546370446 Replies: >>546370510 >>546371028
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The frame's software is really exciting but hardware-wise it's extremely disappointing. Same fov as quest 3. Reverb g2 (2020) resolution, LCD, the only "next-gen" part is the eye tracker.
I wouldn't even be so disappointed if it didn't take 6 fucking years. But I guess the controller, box, and software were a big reason for taking so long
Anonymous No.546370510 Replies: >>546370757
>>546370446
You need to look at the specs again. There's more than a fucking resolution.
Anonymous No.546370716 Replies: >>546374140
I've thought about it
and
I know i know
it's just
I'm buying the SteamFrame, SteamMachine, SteamController(hahaha)
Anonymous No.546370757 Replies: >>546371384
>>546370510
What's the huge thing I'm missing? It's all standard. 110 FOV, ~2000x2000 resolution, LCD, basically just a quest 3 in terms of optics.
Anonymous No.546371028 Replies: >>546371112
>>546370446
More people are excited about Steam Machine than the headset so of course that's where all effort went.
Anonymous No.546371112 Replies: >>546371241
>>546371028
>le are excited about Steam Machine than the headset
citation pls
Anonymous No.546371241 Replies: >>546371297 >>546371369
>>546371112
check /v/
Anonymous No.546371297 Replies: >>546371376
>>546371241
explain
Anonymous No.546371369
>>546371241
/v/ is full of third worlders who can't afford VR headsets or a good PC, of course they're excited
Anonymous No.546371376 Replies: >>546371402 >>546371442
>>546371297
2 threads about steam frame with low traction
10+ threads about the box
Anonymous No.546371384 Replies: >>546371780
>>546370757
You're missing all the non-screen things that the quest 3 does not have:
- IR illuminators for low-light/dark play
- Battery on the back of the strap for better balance
- Low weight
- TMR high durability thumbsticks
- Custom low latency wifi stack for streaming video (two NICs, foveated encoding, etc)
- IPD LOCK - an actual switch to stop the IPD moving around
- Dedicated dongle so you don't fuck around with a router
- Finger tracked controllers with real buttons
- Front slot for expansion (Face tracking, better passthrough)
- Eye tracking
- Hotswappable strap (presumably for index-style straps)
- Runs SteamOS instead of andrid locked walled garden dogshit
- Can run x86 AND APKs.
- High refresh rate and low latency screen
Anonymous No.546371402
>>546371376
>2 threads about steam frame with low traction
vr has a containment policy
Anonymous No.546371442
>>546371376
Steam frame = no games
Steam machine = games

video game board.
Anonymous No.546371780 Replies: >>546372123 >>546372227 >>546372292
>>546371384
If you already have Quest 3, Pico 4 or any decent resolution PCVR hmd it's all negligible upgrades if you just play PCVR games.

It's a very well made Quest 3 by people who care. But it's no point in upgrading to it from Quest 3. For full lighthouse FBT users it's even more questionable sidegrade.
It would be a perfect HMD if it came out around Quest 3 release time. Today to be not a sidegrade it had to be at least 3k x 3k per eye to have significant incentive to upgrade from previous HMDs.

Today it's a good headset to get into VR if it's cheap, but everyone and their mother who wanted to get into VR already has a Quest 3.
Anonymous No.546372123 Replies: >>546372747 >>546372921
>>546371780
>no point in upgrading to it from Quest 3.
what did you think the steam frame was going to be? an nvidia gaming computer on your face or what
Anonymous No.546372227
>>546371780
>if you just play PCVR games.
There are literally no PCVR games.
Anonymous No.546372292 Replies: >>546372347
>>546371780
>everyone and their mother who wanted to get into VR already has a Quest 3.
the market has a lot of room to expand given that vr isn't very popular. it would be something if valve released some actually good vr games for steam os
Anonymous No.546372347 Replies: >>546372536
>>546372292
>valve released some actually good vr games for steam os
This man is delusional. Get him out of here.
Anonymous No.546372536
>>546372347
i can dream about a woman's tits why can't i dream about this
Anonymous No.546372747 Replies: >>546372863 >>546373031 >>546373645
>>546372123
Better FOV than 110 lmao
People who cared enough about VR already got a quest 3. Shit like an ipd lock or IR lights are certainly cool, but do they justify the "upgrade"? Not at all. I don't even care about resolution that much, the screen door effect is a thing of the past, but having optics that are basically the same as the quest 3 is pathetic
Anonymous No.546372863
>>546372747
It's not a valid upgrade from the quest 3 at all. It's got lots of nice things but essentially VR is a visual experience and if they don't provide a visual upgrade then...
Anonymous No.546372921
>>546372123
that it will have at least the 2025/2026 standard of 4k x 4k per eye resolution. But like index it has outdated screens on release.
Anonymous No.546373031
>>546372747
>the screen door effect is a thing of the past

>Considering the Frame’s 4.6MP (2,160 × 2,160) per-eye resolution, I was expecting an image that looked similar to Quest 3’s display, which is 4.5MP (2,064 × 2,208). But I was surprised that the first thing I noticed was a somewhat visible screen-door effect (SDE), which is caused by the unlit space between pixels.

https://www.roadtovr.com/steam-frame-hands-on-valve-vr-headset-index-2/
Anonymous No.546373059 Replies: >>546373116
So the Frame has about the same lens resolution as the Quest 3, but everyone I've talked to says its amazing somehow. Is it all due to the foviated streaming?

Foviated streaming seems to be a big deal, but couldn't other headsets take advantage of the software on steamVR or is it something thats innate to the headset?
Anonymous No.546373116 Replies: >>546373223
>>546373059
It's a quest 3 but packaged better. That's about it.
Anonymous No.546373223 Replies: >>546373306 >>546373765
>>546373116
also with completely opensource os?
Anonymous No.546373306
>>546373223
No, unless you can find the steamOS source somewhere. It is an arch linux based fork though.
Anonymous No.546373529 Replies: >>546373627
It's a good foundation at least. The streaming, OS, ARM translation, are very nice if they do hold up. Hopefully it won't take six fucking years for the frame 2, since it'll be mostly a hardware upgrade, but it's valve so you never
Anonymous No.546373627
>>546373529
>frame 2
Anon...

There is not going to be a frame 2.
Anonymous No.546373645 Replies: >>546373893
>>546372747
>Better FOV than 110 lmao
i don't think this matters at all for computer game i don't notice anything i have a normal eyes and head
Anonymous No.546373765
>>546373223
Since some kind of mixed play space tracking is inevitable, will SteamOS being more open make it easier to combine SLAM maps and the like? While not an ideal solution I wonder how much friction frame could remove in comparison to the quest. Case in point; the Vive ultimates have issues, but if you could plug the dongle straight into the frame and have them interact directly it could make the experience better (will never solve the core design issues though)
Anonymous No.546373819 Replies: >>546373869 >>546374185
all this talk about it basically being a quest 3 and yea that probably means something like low price point, high adoption, vale release game for steam os vr, sell game on quest 3 model. seems obvious and best case scenario this thing looks sick
Anonymous No.546373869
>>546373819
>low price point, high adoption, vale release game for steam os vr,
Anon... You are very gravely ill but it is not too late. Come back
Anonymous No.546373893 Replies: >>546374043
>>546373645
Nah, FOV is a really underrated aspect for optics. People who have tried wider FOVs talk about how great it is for immersion. Even just a taller FOV contributes a ton. Of course you're not going to focus on something in the corner of your screen, but just having your environment in your periphery as opposed to total blackness is super nice
Anonymous No.546373895
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sell steam game, valve. you know you want to do it. you know that steam = valve. you like it
Anonymous No.546374043
>>546373893
taller FoV would be such a tur on for coomers
Anonymous No.546374067 Replies: >>546374396
valve becomes quadrillion dollar games company by selling games on a gaming platform and then one day they deliver a bunch of low cost hardware and an operating system and then doesn't sell any steam os games because the valve staff are 4chan retards
Anonymous No.546374140
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>>546370716
Anonymous No.546374185 Replies: >>546374306
>>546373819
The price is going to be around the index, so $1000. It's very much going to be an enthusiast thing like the index
And at the price, 90% of people are just better off getting a quest 3.
Anonymous No.546374265
>>546320695
That's just a 24-hour news cycle in the nextdoor app, which has the opposite effect.
Anonymous No.546374284
The Frame is going to be $900-1000, come with zero VR games (or games made for it).

This is valve's second attempt at solving the chicken and egg problem of VR. No people regularly using headsets = no market for VR games = no market for headsets. So they make the headset be able to play flat games. Gets people using and owning headsets so that there's a market for VR.
If it doesn't work they'll stop trying, because they have zero financial pressure to release or make anything.
Anonymous No.546374306 Replies: >>546374396
>>546374185
>the index
they didn't develop a whole operating system for the index which is named after their whole money printing platform, and they still released a game
Anonymous No.546374370
you guys are all fucked you can't do anything
Anonymous No.546374390
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Anonymous No.546374396 Replies: >>546374470
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>>546374067
Valve doesn't make money from selling their own games, retard. They make money from selling other people's. And CS skins.

>>546374306
That was attempt one. They released a game and a headset at once. The BIGGEST game possible. Half Life.

This failed.
Anonymous No.546374458 Replies: >>546375117
ANY FOREFRONTERS IN CHAT
Anonymous No.546374470 Replies: >>546374649
>>546374396
>This failed.
did it?
Anonymous No.546374479 Replies: >>546374545 >>546374717
Will other headsets be able to use foviated streaming, or is it proprietary to the Frame?
Anonymous No.546374545
>>546374479
meta will invent it soon they will call it foveated social experience
Anonymous No.546374649 Replies: >>546374716 >>546375328
>>546374470
Imagine trying to make a PCVR game today. Spend 2 years making a decent PCVR game, and then how many sales do you think you can look forward to?
Anonymous No.546374716 Replies: >>546374783 >>546374838
>>546374649
they just made a gaming vr headset
Anonymous No.546374717 Replies: >>546374960
>>546374479
You should look up what foveated streaming is. It tracks the eye to spend less time processing stuff you're not looking at. Headsets that do not track the eye cannot do this. The quest pro has been compatible for a while now.
Anonymous No.546374783 Replies: >>546374932
>>546374716
They made a flat gaming headset that also plays VR.
You fundamentally misunderstand how dead the PCVR market is. It's completely dead. There's nothing left but people jacking off in VRC, and they're not there because they like VR they're there because they like jacking off.
Anonymous No.546374798 Replies: >>546374876 >>546374889 >>546375439
Why is every youtuber saying that the Frame justifies a $1000 price tag? It doesn't look that impressive to me.
Anonymous No.546374838 Replies: >>546375045 >>546375328
>>546374716
I'll answer the question for you.
LESS THAN ONE HUNDRED. If your name isn't fucking VALVE then you can expect 100 sales. Not a day. Not a week. TOTAL.
Anonymous No.546374876
>>546374798
Because they're shills who are excited for the new thing, let it release and let actual people review them. Then you'll hear "just get a quest 3" everywhere
Anonymous No.546374889
>>546374798
Why wouldn't they? It's their literal job to sell product.
Anonymous No.546374932
>>546374783
>they're not there because they like VR they're there because they like jacking off.
ABSOLUTELY BRUTAL TRVTH NVKE
Anonymous No.546374960 Replies: >>546375021
>>546374717
I forgot about that part. can you add eyetracking to a Quest 3?
Anonymous No.546375021
>>546374960
In theory yes, in practice, nothing exists that you can buy right now or even soon.
Anonymous No.546375039 Replies: >>546375135 >>546375546
steam link on quest pro looks horrible, I even set the bitrate and res manually to max and it still looks like a jpeg
Anonymous No.546375045
>>546374838
actually, it's 48
Anonymous No.546375117
>>546374458
so ready to continue being useless as recon for no reason
Anonymous No.546375135 Replies: >>546375274 >>546375354
>>546375039
>set it to maximum
>saturate your wifi connection so it automatically downgrades the quality to avoid dropping frames
>hurr why does it look bad
Anonymous No.546375267
>>546370287
finally
all the changes i wanted too
Anonymous No.546375274
>>546375135
you're a retard, im running a dedicated wifi6 setup and virtual desktop looks perfectly fine maxed out while steam link doesn't look good on any settings
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>>546374838
>>546374649
if you're getting less than 100 sales its because your game isn't good
Anonymous No.546375354
>>546375135
>yeah bro this wifi connection can totally replace the 21.6 Gbps bandwith of a wired connection bro
Anonymous No.546375357
>>546353120
>not even color passthough
it's not an AR/MR headset though. you don't need color passthrough on a gaming vr headset
Anonymous No.546375439 Replies: >>546375707
>>546374798
Youtubers are not people. As in, I'm not trying to be rude, I'm saying youtube grew into such a massive business that if you open a video from anyone with more than a handful of subscriptions, you can be certain they're not voicing their own free thoughts. Whether it's actual paid promotion, or just a pressure to say what people want to hear so it fits the algorithm, popular internet is absolutely worthless in 2025.
Anonymous No.546375454 Replies: >>546375674 >>546375947
>>546375328
Wow, 4000 sales. I can build a business with this.
Anonymous No.546375530 Replies: >>546376420
>>546353249
It should be Two Weeks of average US salary
>Based on a gross annual salary of $66,622, the average take-home pay after taxes for a two-week period in the United States is approximately $2,500
Anonymous No.546375546 Replies: >>546375834
>>546375039
even with the eye tracked encoding? I know it sucks dick on quest 3 since the image resolution they send is low as shit
VD sends you a 6000x3000 image split between both eyes and it's crisp as fuark
Anonymous No.546375589
>>546375328
a lot of these games are good but don't have the brand to charge the typical full price
Anonymous No.546375590 Replies: >>546375947
>>546375328
working in mcdonalds will bring in more profit than this game
Anonymous No.546375674 Replies: >>546375768
>>546375454
Probs like 8k. Niche steam games reviews to sale conversion is usually 1:20
On quest store it's more like 1:100~150
Anonymous No.546375707
>>546375439
I agree just frustrating that people lap this up because scumbag youtubers will send the clear signal to Valve that this shit should cost $999 despite coming with less stuff than the index. You literally can't criticize Valve in the modern internet without pissing off people.
Anonymous No.546375768 Replies: >>546375828 >>546375947
>>546375674
I did the math on gorilla tag and the userbase:review ratio was about 1:10. That's for a FREE game.
Anonymous No.546375828
>>546375768
Wait nevermind, 1:100 total, but 1:10 active users. WRong numbers...
Anonymous No.546375834 Replies: >>546377367
>>546375546
yea it looks absolutely horrible no matter what i try though i wouldn't say it's a resolution problem, for me it looks like bitrate is extremely low
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>>546375768
>>546375454
there are accurate estimates out there
they made enough to get by considering the small team size
>>546375590
that's true of every indie game which isn't a massive fuckoff success
Anonymous No.546376029
>>546375947
Glad they made enough money to pay 4 devs for a year.
I watched the credits.There were a few more people than that.
Anonymous No.546376298 Replies: >>546377830 >>546378615
The steam frame is going to singlehandedly save PCVR, just wait and watch. You all thought the quest killed it
Anonymous No.546376420
>>546375530
globally, average salary for two weeks is $620 before taxes
Anonymous No.546377367
>>546375834
you can increase the bitrate to 300mbps and it'll still look like poo
you can slightly increase the resolution by editing your steamvr.vrsettings and changing streamFormatWidth to 1536 instead of 1344
Anonymous No.546377830 Replies: >>546377906
>>546376298
What will "save PCVR" is 10 flat2VRs working for a decade
Anonymous No.546377906
>>546377830
This but unironically, if half my game library was in VR I'd only play that half of my library.
Chuck No.546378486 Replies: >>546378560 >>546380427
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Indexbros... our response?
Anonymous No.546378560 Replies: >>546378935
>>546378486
I don't see no games
Anonymous No.546378615 Replies: >>546378675
>>546376298
At least they focused on comfort. Literally all I asked for.
The question now is the price. From the specs it seems they're competing with the Quest 3 so if it's going to be near 1k then I'll do a spit take.
Anonymous No.546378675 Replies: >>546378750
>>546378615
It's 100% going to be near 1k.
https://www.roadtovr.com/steam-frame-price-cheaper-than-index/
Anonymous No.546378750 Replies: >>546378837
>>546378675
>I take this ‘cheaper than Index’ statement to mean cheaper than the $1,000 ‘full kit’ cost of Index, which included the headset, controllers, and two tracking beacons. The Index headset alone, however, costs $500.
it can be interpreted a few ways
Anonymous No.546378797 Replies: >>546379505
Niggas were really trying to argue that this thing should've shipped with light houses LMAO they really wanted a $1400 quest 3 BAD
Anonymous No.546378837 Replies: >>546379003
>>546378750
>it expects the price of Steam Frame to be ‘cheaper than Index
The expects implies on the higher end. And besides, do you really think they meant 'Oh yeah it's going to be cheaper than an index without controllers. Or lighthouses.'
Anonymous No.546378935
>>546378560
it will run half life david
Anonymous No.546379003 Replies: >>546379059
>>546378837
They could be intentionally vague because they want to surprise people as well.
>cheaper than an index without controllers. Or lighthouses.
Well yeah, because it doesn't have lighthouses. Or fancy $300 controllers.
Anonymous No.546379059
>>546379003
What I meant is that do you really think they meant 'cheaper than a completely dysfunctional paperweight'
Anonymous No.546379276 Replies: >>546379410 >>546379560
I doubt the price is going to be anything lower than $800. The quest 3 is $500 and that's with less tech + more dependency on subsidizing through the store. $500 for the frame would be an absurd and unsustainable price
Anonymous No.546379410 Replies: >>546379691
>>546379276
These are honestly the same niggas who were like "Oh yeah it's gonna have facetracking and 3k screens and Oled and Pancakes and an auto-jacker and it'll come with VR games..."
Anonymous No.546379505 Replies: >>546379690
>>546378797
This thing didn't need to ship with lightouses, I just needed to support them.

The most expensive part of lighthouse tracking are the lighthouses themselves - putting those "tracking dots" on headset and controllers themselves would have cost them cents since it is a well worked-out technology by now.

Instead, the complete lack of it just alienated the entire premium VR headset fanbase.... a fanbase that is willing to spend 1000+ dollars on VR stuff.

>t. staying on my index and 3 vive pucks for another few years until something better coems out
Anonymous No.546379543
The frame will 100% be DOA if they arent targetting closer to the price of a Q3 $650/700. They could get away with $800 but they'd fuck themselves over fast.

If the goal of the frame is to breathe life back into VR gaming with a modern device they need to just take the hit and sell it at a loss and recoup the revenue via steam.
Anonymous No.546379560
>>546379276
>less tech
Quest 3 has MR/AR capabilities. Hand Tracking. Depth sensors.
The Steam Frame doesn't even have color passthrough. It's clear that they were cheapening out.
Anonymous No.546379690 Replies: >>546379868 >>546379949
>>546379505
>>The most expensive part of lighthouse tracking are the lighthouses themselves
BRRRRRRRRRRRR
INCORRECT

2x lighthouses are roughly $240
PER TRACKED OBJECT it is AT LEAST $100. That's one for the headset and two for the controllers.
Chuck No.546379691 Replies: >>546379820
>>546379410
>having optimism and expecitng innovation is le bad
Anonymous No.546379820 Replies: >>546384148
>>546379691
Being a fucking retard is bad, retard. There's optimism, and then there's living in a fantasy dreamworld where nothing you expect ever happens because you have zero comprehension of anything that happens around you and becoming a lobotomite would be a genuine increase in self awareness.
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>>546379690
>>546379690
Be quiet the adults in the room are talking.
Anonymous No.546379949 Replies: >>546380105
>>546379690
>2x lighthouses are roughly $240
NIGGA THEY ARE SELLING THOSE AT A LOSS
YES
IT IS REAL

Just because it is cheap for you does not meant it is cheap for Valve/HTC - thsoe things have actual moving parts.
I remember someone from Valve talking how they are selling these at a loss because nobody would otherwise buy them, with the hopes that the loss is offset with the headset and controller increased prices.

In any case, not supporting lighthouses (aka make them optional) just removed people like me who ARE WILLING to spend 1000+ USD on a VR upgrade but now I will just end up spending 0.
Congrats, Valve.
Anonymous No.546379989 Replies: >>546380076
>>546379868
BRRR WRONG AGAIN
You also need the diodes and other associated circuitry.
You should take the FULL tundra tracker as the absolute minimum. And you know what? No-one buys them any more because they didn't fucking work. BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH.
Anonymous No.546380037
I just wouldn't be so mad if it didn't take the so damn long for this fucking thing. The time between the index and frame is over twice the time between the vive and index. Imagine if Xbox waited 14 years to release their next console and it was just a more expensive version of Sony's offering that came out 3 years prior.
Anonymous No.546380076 Replies: >>546380176
>>546379989
How much do you think diodes are you fucking inbred monkey. You're a fucking retard. Like i said, the adults in the room are talking sybau
Anonymous No.546380105 Replies: >>546380921
>>546379949
With a tracker every headset is optionally lighthouse tracked. That's what makes the system good. There you go, you're complaining about wanting to spend more money on lighthouse tracking as an option, and you have that option.
Go do it.
Anonymous No.546380176 Replies: >>546380435
>>546380076
How are your tundras doing? Can you tell or did you lose them in the space in your skull where the brain was meant to be
Anonymous No.546380347 Replies: >>546389216
WHY DIDNT VALVE USE LIGHTHOUSES TRACKING WHICH ONLY 3% OF USERS GIVE HALF A SHIT ABOUT WHILE MAKING THE ALREADY OVERPRICED PRODUCT 40% MORE EXPENSIVE
Anonymous No.546380427 Replies: >>546380519 >>546380609
>>546378486
>index
>mount 2 boxes on the wall, then use it
>frame
>just use it
>somehow this difference is meaningful enough to underline it
it's sad how spoiled with convenience people are nowadays
Anonymous No.546380435 Replies: >>546380654
>>546380176
>doesnt answer the question
They work perfectly fine btw. I have more issues with my knuckles than my tundras.
Anonymous No.546380519
>>546380427
And the PC? You're going to have trouble using your index if you forget to plug it into a PC.
Anonymous No.546380609
>>546380427
you forgot setting up a custom pulley system so you can enjoy half of the freedom that wireless players have
Anonymous No.546380654 Replies: >>546380925
>>546380435
>uhm asckutally it's not $100 per tracked object but $70 so your entire point is invalid
You pretending to be an adult is comical.
Anonymous No.546380921
>>546380105
I am not spending money to have what I already have (Index).
Anonymous No.546380925 Replies: >>546381001
>>546380654
Once again, how much do you think diodes are? I'll give you a hint, they're less than 1c per unit at the magnitude any manufacturer would order them. Same with the ribbon cables.
Anonymous No.546381001 Replies: >>546381112
>>546380925
>and associated circuitry
This includes packaging. I get that it's an argument and you want to be right but fact of the matter is that lighthouse tracking is expensive and adding it is stupid. You are stupid.
Anonymous No.546381112 Replies: >>546381227
>>546381001
>packaging
as does every other solution including non-LH based ones?
Are you pretending to be retarded?

Its well known that LH devices themselves are cheap as fuck to produce. The cost is in the beacons.
Anonymous No.546381227 Replies: >>546381425
>>546381112
>cheap as fuck to produce.
52 dollars according to you. Per device.
Even according to your ridiculous estimate you're still a fucking retard.
If you REALLY want to pay more money, go buy a tracker. They're cheap as fuck to produce after all.
Anonymous No.546381319 Replies: >>546381398 >>546381459 >>546381924
I thought the frame was compatible with lighthouse tracking, is it not?
Either way, it's retarded to continue using base stations when you can implement inside-out tracking. It's more expensive and less appealing, only enthusiasts care about it, which is the sole reason why the beyond can get away with it
Anonymous No.546381398
>>546381319
>I thought the frame was compatible with lighthouse tracking, is it not?
Not in the slightest. They would need to add *checks notes* 156 dollars to the cost of the headset for something nothing but the most deranged of VRC FBT trannies would ever use.
Anonymous No.546381425 Replies: >>546381651
>>546381227
For the HDK which is not mass-produced. Tundra/HTC are ass raping people on the margins for their trackers because they can. I guarantee that the BOM for total cost of the parts in a tracker is less than $50.
Anonymous No.546381459
>>546381319
It is not.
THey did not have to make it mandatory, but they could have made it optional especially since it is clear the Frame is going to be right in the awkward middle between budget and premium.
Anonymous No.546381493
mfw steam frame wireless latency will be on par with 90hz wired headsets
epic
Anonymous No.546381651 Replies: >>546381984
>>546381425
We could ask the beyond team how much it cost them to do lighthouse tracking, since they ain't selling beacons.
Anonymous No.546381924 Replies: >>546382410
>>546381319
It's compatible in the same way Quest is compatible with it, meaning you can align playspaces and use it. It's just annoying to see because long time ago, Vive released a headset with no LH support, and then they've added an optional face plate that allows you to use it. Then again, I can see why it's not exactly all that straightforward given the nature of Frame, LH would have to be handled on headset side as opposed to the usual PC side so that it can work without weird timing mismatch, I imagine the list of issues is far larger than what I can think of at a glance.

Honestly, can't say I care all that much, two playspaces to align are not the end of the world as proven by one gorillion vrg anons who use pucks with quest on daily basis. If anything, one scary issue I see is that this is going to be first camera tracked valve headset, so there's a chance tracking may be subpar on release, it's literally a brand new experimental product for them.
Anonymous No.546381984
>>546381651
they used a tundra board
Anonymous No.546382410
>>546381924
To be fair the face plate for the cosmos was sorta a necessity, the inside-out tracking on it was atrocious
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>>546379820
You seem like a very angry person. Have you considered therapy?
Anonymous No.546384221
>>546384148
Have you considered playing VR games
Anonymous No.546384664
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Hello, today at 19:00CET (2h30 from now) I will host a "YosaVR" dancing session.
>What is YosaVR to begin with?
"YosaVR" is the combination of "Yosakoi" and VR. Yosakoi is a (modern) japanese folk dance style, which often relies on using accessories.
With "YosaVR", we aim to actively learn dance routines; first we'll learn some actual yosakoi routines, but I'm planning to eventually mix it with other types of dances/songs later on.
>What does it looks like?
Here are some videos from when I was training it back in May:
- Easy song: https://streamable.com/0wxl7i
- Mid song: https://streamable.com/91lp9t
- Difficult one (no video editing): https://streamable.com/4b02tr
>What to know? How will we train?
When I tried to host it earlier this year, I made this document:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m6DHeP7rt538M18IdRz6fAGeD_hIQvGJgBc7CtrWpTo/edit?usp=sharing
Even if some infos might be outdated now, if you are interested in the project I recommend you to read it still.
This time I'll try to also host it regularly on Thursdays while keeping the "dojo format". In my opinion it is much harder than both PyPy or ParaPara, so if you want to become good at it, you will most likely need to train outside of the regular Thursday instances.
>What to expect for today?
This time we'll keep on seeing the moves of "Street of the Soran": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBND5Ftn2bA
And we will keep on doing full song training on the beginner dance "Agara": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FweefSy68Y
Please note that dancing is an intense physical activity, so there will be a bit of warmup/stretching before we start, if you join late I strongly advise you take a few minutes warming up before starting to dance.
Sessions are open to everyone, pro and beginner alike! If you are curious to either watch or dance just join
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Anonymous No.546389216
>>546380347
It didn't have to use it. It just had to support it. Toss a bone to the people who invested in the index and wanted more of that. Have your cake and eat it too.