/vrg/ - Virtual Reality General #1316

he's waiting

SOCIAL VR IS DEAD!
LONG LIVE RECROOM!

salad speaks

>>395458976
Is this image becoming somewhat of a cult classic?

>>395459157
the person featured in the image fucking hates it, which increases the amount it is going to be used.

Hmm, I can't search any user names on the chimpout website
even my own name gives no results

>>395459536
web search has been off for a bit since the api rework
not sure if its supposed to be working now or not after their api got swapped over

H-hi, c...can someone share the l-link so I can get in the VRChat m-meetup?
I want to t-try to make a friend today...!

>>395459696
post your armpits

Anyone know if there's a good way to properly emulate angular momentum with physbones? It's easy enough to get something spinning, but I'm having difficulty handling the inertia.

>>395459696
not this shit again

What is the universal symbol for "please let me play with your funbags"?

>>395460450
You can play with mine if you just ask.

>>395460450
Just walk up and start punching them to see if they have physbones you can interact with. Then after using them as speedbags a bit, just talk to the person while yoinkin' em.

>>395460450
Thumb into half closed fist.

>>395460450
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dI6fLQzqFs

Moub? Get that ass skipped.
/trash/fag? Get that ass skipped.
Furry? Rando? That's a skip AND a votekick.

Bonjour /vrg/..

Does anyone have that screenshot of VRChat having a job opening for some crypto currency expert?

frens

>>395458990
Thank you. I got banned from the CVR discord for no reason so i didn't see this

>>395461163
Stop, I am not going to learn french

>>395461163
frerot...

>>395461383
Just don't get banned next time maybe?
It's easy.

>>395461229
pain. death. suffering. murder. evil. destroy. anger.

>>395461767
>next time
I don't know if its permanent or temporary

>>395461827
You shouldn't have done/said/posted that dumb shit if you didn't want to get banned.

Official Early NA CVR Meetup at 7pm EST. Friend Cumbelly Slayer for ease of joining later. Will post when the instance is up.

Alright motherfuckers it is that time of the week again! Chillout VR has been on such a shaky road sayiing its a shame doesn't even cover it, HOWEVER they are finally getting things stabilized and the interest around /vrg/ appears to be healthy all shitposting aside. Going to continue to run with the workshop theme of showing people how to upload content to other platforms. Side shill don't forget about friend by friend its a decent way to meet folks and insult out of place randos and always try and jump on the CVR meets.

Submarine game has been started up recently so other organized games are going to be shaky. Basically its just going to be CVR for a bit because the prop system and other parts are great.

Dm *or reply* to the shop man if you have an interest in investing, want to put your time where things will grow, but know there are always other factors to investing.

>>395460450
I haven't been on VR chat for a while but back in the day the universal symbol was to just walk up and start playing with them

>>395462610
Hi Shopman. I am not interested in joining your server. Could you please stop advertising it here? Nobody else advertises their servers here either because that type of behavior is not welcome.

>>395460910
Moub? Get that ass skipped
/trash/? Get that ass skipped
Furry? Get your ass kicked
Rando? Take a fat lip

Stick to this, we'll keep the event wonderful
Smooth like a bottle of lube for your onahole
The only trashfags you see laid out naked
Got they ass beat, their shoes and clothes taken

Cuz we don't fuck around about keeping it clean
Furries and trannies can only cope and seethe
We real ass niggas, to the homies it's love
/vrg/ representing, always takin a dub

>>395463214
Hello, Shopman here, I am advertising a longstanding studying/tutoring/free environment for model work which is heavily relevant to /vrg/, the platform doesn't matter. I would humbly request that you filter these post instead of replying, thank you.

>>395463478
>longstanding studying/tutoring/free environment
You mean a discord server?

>>395463478
You are disrespecting the community you claim to be trying to help by forcing this onto the thread after being repeatedly asked to stop. The additional fact that you've been witch hunting people you think are criticizing your advertisements also doesn't help your image.

>>395463441
/vrg/ rap contest

>>395463930
The thread has and should always be about showing people events and things relevant to virtual reality from folks centered around /vrg/. I know the individuals within /vrg/ who have been asked to stop defending the subject to avoid filling the thread with inane arguments like you choose to do. Vocal minorities do not rule here, neither do people obsessed with "image" and appealing to an outsider bloated "chan" community.

Last reply as mentioned, this dumb shit should stay out of the thread, take it to dms otherwise you are a samefag/shitposter/ect.

So I just finished my base model.
It doesn't have an outfit yet and I haven't set anything up in unity. What should the process be if I want to have a base with a couple of things(animations/expressions/menus) set up in unity while being able to change clothes fairly easily without having to re-do the process?

>appealing to an outsider bloated "chan" community.
something about stones and glass houses

My server is relevant to /vrg/ and needs to be shilled here but also it's not /vrg/, full of randos and is its own thing when its convenient.

>>395464851
>>395463478
>>395462610
Go away D. We've repeated this a hundred times, we've told you a hundred times in person, but you always shrug it off and boogey-man about them later. We've explained why we don't like your discord advertisement, we've expressed our grievances with YOU, we've ignored you at periods but you don't get it. The only reason I give you the time of day is that you keep trying to power-tranny every time.
So go ahead like last time this happend, and message all your "friends" about how B is to blame.

>>395465963
Pretty much this. Your server is full of literal whos, and has nothing to do with /vrg/ except for when you want to say it does in the thread.

>>395463441
we see the need of your leave in an instant
cuz tranny and randos are joining your instance
so go back to furry erp with a personality you lack
vrg is the name you know we hate blacks

>>395466296
He'll never be satisfied unless his server is #1, officially sanctioned by the thread and he's worshipped as God Emperor of /vrg/. Thankfully that's never happening.

>>395463478

>>395467946
>all events advertised are now advertising
STEP ASIDE FRIEND OF FRIEND

>>395467946
>>395468049
Nuke all of that shit uninonically.
The thread really turns to shit when you have your gay events going on.

>>395468049
Your server is neither /vrg/ nor an event so stop conflating the two.

>>395468049
>social events that can be, and is, advertised by themselves
>said events happens in-game
>said events aren't literally shilled every week to promote a personal "not-vrg" but "vrg-related" dickcord from a failed mod
>said events doesn't begin their post with a blogpost and then specifically begs for dickcord DMs
You're brain damaged, see a therapist.

Think with that in mind I am going to *advertise* the ChilloutVR meetup planned for this Friday around 7pm PST 10pm EST. Going to be hanging out there as long as the servers hold up. add "DalTwoNineZero" on chillout if you want in. Going to point out other anon's >>395462484 scheduled for today as well if you missed that.

>>395461163
Bonsoir l'anonyme

Let's get in CVR fellow Chimps!

>general thread on 4chan
>no randos aloud
yea, you can excuse yourself to discord and let this general be reclaimed by THE PEOPLE

>>395469628
allowed*.. i write for a living btw

>>395469628
>>395469808
you need to go back

>>395469460

>>395469460
this thread is so fucking shit

>>395464780
would be better than the cringe idol contest

>>395465623
pls respond

https://streamable.com/0ryfjd

>>395465623
>>395471001
Unless you bought a booth model that specifically has a base that people make clothes for and also sell on booth, you have to custom fit and weight the outfits yourself in blender, not unity.

What's the best VR setup right now? Outside of paying thousands for a varjo that is.
I'm looking at getting the Vive Pro 2 and Valve Controllers, is that pretty much top tier?

>>395471814
The answer will continue to be Index until its sequel is released

>>395468049
Please enlighten me, is your "event" happening in VR?

>>395471001
>>395465623
Sorry bro.
Alright so.
There's a few ways to set-up animations/etc, I'd recommend watching tutorial vids on how to properly handle them. If you want something a bit easier I've heard go-go-loco is pretty decent.
>What should the process be if I want to have a base with a couple of things(animations/expressions/menus) set up in unity while being able to change clothes
I hope for pure reasons, anon.
You'd ideally make a menu for animations and another menu for clothes. The process is basically just toggling off and on the clothes already attached the armature but separate mesh. Just reply if you need any help, I'll try to help out.

>>395469460
Why do the community schizos always rant about Yuru?

>>395471891
That's what I feared, but does the higher resolution not outweigh it?

>>395471980
Vive's audio and mic is heinously garbage in comparison to Index's phenomenal mic and audio. Index also has a higher FoV which is very nice.
The resolution on Index is still very high, screen door effect is practically already gone on it. Higher resolution would be nice, but it's not worth the tradeoffs.

Lets remind everyone of your proud melty moment dal.

>>395472324
I see, might end up going for the index then.
What about headsets like Pimax? Or are they meme-tier?

>>395472524
I have never met a single person in /vrg/ who bought a Pimax that was satisfied with their purchase. Apparently they're notoriously uncomfortable, easily produces motion sickness even in people that don't usually have it/are used to VR by now, is bogged by awful chinese software that you're required to use, and overall every person that bought and tried it went back to their Index pretty fast.

>>395472436
I feel like I am being written about from a buzzfeed article when you have to call disagreeing with things a melty. Why does 4chan love buzzwords?

>>395472779
Also their own controllers that they sell are missing a button compared to the majority of modern VR controllers today.

>>395472779
Thanks for the info, gonna go with the Index

>>395473063
Just be aware that while Index is still overall the best package and best headset, these things have issues and break down CONSTANTLY. Almost every Index owner ever has had to go through at least one RMA if not multiple, whether it be for controllers or the headset itself. It's all free, Valve usually is pretty fast and will sometimes even offer you an advanced RMA too so they ship the fixed controller/headset to you before you need to ship your broken one back.

>>395473051
You literally admit to starting drama on purpose to get what you want, stop being retarded.

>>395472524
> Quest 2
+ : wireless, cheap, good resolution, standalone, good mic
- : compressed picture when used with desktop, facebook, shit fov, uncomfortable without mods, shit default audio, inside out tracking (fbt less accessible)

> Index
+ : good audio+mic, good fov, outside in tracking, comfortable
- : no wireless option, meh resolution (same as quest 1), extremely fragile, price

> Vive Pro 2
+ : good resolution + horizontal fov, outside in tracking, extension options (wireless, face tracker)
- : shit mic, apparently bad vertical fov, price, default controllers

> Pico Neo 3 link
+ : good resolution, cheap, wireless or dp cable, standalone, comfortable
- : chinese software, Neo 4 coming soon, less standalone apps than quest 2, controllers needs 2 batteries

>>395473051
Like your buzzwords?
What the fuck is blockading, dal?

>>395471964
Moms well liked and at the time was the most influential person here. schizos like dal were obviously envious of her influence. even now she has more thread influence than he does.

>>395473781
Yee those words all fit, you tell me of the last time a trail held excluding the accused worked out well lol.

bye bye...

>>395473051
You essentially destroyed the Y discord with your insatiable schizo need for power

>had a lot of fun at the last friend by friend thing
>this one is on saturday
>can't turn up because of it

suffering

>>395473707
the quest 2's mic is not good

>>395474061
>trial held excluding the accused
Don't you do this? You just did it to B.

>>395474846
I remember I thought it sounded good until I heard my voice in a video
And now I'm extremely self conscious about my crackly radio voice

>>395474312
angry feral kot
no belly rubs

>>395474846
>>395475439
Never used a Quest 2 myself but the people I hear using Quest 2's sound pretty good. It's not as good as Index but still pretty clear sounding. Every other headset's mic sounds a lot more garbled and harder to understand.

>>395475090
Exactly lol, that is why it was discussed afterwards and resolved.

>>395474061
Didn't you once complain about having to argue with a lawyer? It seems more-like you don't want the fact you show a consistent record of this victim-complex to be shown.

>>395476246
Yeah I remember that one too that was about people posting dms in the OP or I think phonebook anon removing everything but his cord from the OP. Why are you obsessed with this shit dude.

>>395476246
>light theme
what the fuck is this

I think at this point it would be best to stop making your workshop posts for no other reason than that it disrupts the thread.

>>395476712
>Yeah I remember that one too that was about people posting dms in the OP
lmao no, he posted that after the 9/11 event.
Nice damage control.

Running the new version of the NFS Underground 2 track in Assetto Corsa tonight at 8PM EDT.
Tried to mostly stick to slower street cars, let me know if you've got any requests.
The server is running the new config now if you want to test anything in advance.
server: vrg racing
pass: tfwnodriftfu
voice chat (mumble): voice.vrg.party
mods: https://mega.nz/#F!IgMnDK7Y!16gzEjZRZsea9QE3NDQg6Q
DLC: https://mega.nz/folder/BBwxhS6D#4jJIfs6omnJUaJfsnqPqGQ

>>395455921 (Cross-thread)
Done

oh my god who the fuck cares about whatever discord drama if you are posting about a discord on 4chan I can say with all honesty that you should tie a noose and neck yourself immediately and we'll all be better off for it

>>395477457
Haha man I fucking hate this place sometimes, close enough on one guess.

>>395474691
You could go to the /trash/ equivalent that is hosted the day after.

>>395474691
Did you double check if you can make it on all three timings? You can potentially get and join 5hrs into the event as well as being late is not too much of a problem.

Friend by Friend -rerun - SEA - 5PM GMT+8 August 13
(9:00AM UTC Aug 13) (Singapore)
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/weekend?iso=20220813T17&p0=236&msg=Friend+by+Friend+-rerun+-+SEA+-+5PM+GMT%2B8+August+13&font=cursive

Friend by Friend -rerun - EU - 8PM GMT+1 August 13
(7:00PM UTC Aug 13) (London)
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/payday?iso=20220813T20&p0=136&msg=Friend+by+Friend+-rerun+-+EU+-+8PM+GMT%2B1+August+13+&font=cursive

Friend by Friend -rerun - NA - 11:00PM EST August 13
(3:00AM UTC Aug 14) (New York)
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20220813T23&p0=179&msg=Friend+by+Friend+-rerun+-+NA+-+11%3A00PM+EST+August+13&font=cursive

Newfag here, why was early WMR and its HMDs hated so much? Even today they are treated as a meme. They seem pretty decent for their original retail prices.

>>395480115
they only track in front of the headset

>>395480115
abandonware

>>395480115
The frontal only tracking is a small part, mostly made up for by the decent price, but the real issue is >>395480241 WMR is essentially abandonware and no one makes Cheap WMR anymore.

>>395472430 (Cross-thread)
true

>>395480826

Hello, reminder to shoot each other in contractors at 19:00 UTC on Friday, will post map list tomorrow, cheers

>>395477126
That is his whole goal, he just wants to shit up the thread out of some weird spite against Y.

another successful birthday!

>>395480115
Tracking isn't great, controllers aren't great, no IPD adjustment, uncomfortable compared to other options, not as clear due to worse lens design, poor software support.
At their original retail prices, you'd be better off with a similarly priced CV1 for around the same price, but the cheap Lenovo Explorer I had for a while was fine for what I paid for it.
I tried a friends Odyssey+ though, and that was a lot better. If they hadn't basically abandoned WMR, it'd probably be a decent alternative now.

>>395482068

>>395483258
I still don't understand why Chuck e Cheese is the go to place for birthday parties

>>395483258
>the cargo shorts on the euro

>>395481442
wawa is cute

>>395483258
Eus eternally btfo

So is anyone actually on CVR or is it actually a meme?

>>395472436
>>395473781
i dont know why you hate dal, but I like dal. He made a good discord for creators.

>>395484987
its wednesday my dude

>>395481213
Ah the mythical birthday bash

>>395484987
its actually a thing. I honestly thought vrg would be more asinine about it

>>395484987

>>395482068
My cute wife made for beating L…
Habby crabday!

>>395485331
284 but can't distinguish who's a real /vrg/bro....

Remaking my base so I can look as good as possible for Saturday... No more shortcuts....

>>395482068
Crab is lovely, always enjoy seeing him around

>>395484987
>>395485331
I am so fucking gutted. Honestly really disappointed in the CVR team that their game wasn't prepared and hasn't been able to catch the attention of fleeing refugees. They were supposed to be real competition to keep the VRC devs on their toes. But they fucked it up. They fucked it so obviously that it's just going to wither and die once again and even the VRC devs know it. They've even switched to bi-weekly blog updates instead of daily like when this shit hit the fan.
God damn it you fucking useless mongoloids they're going to slip back into their old habits in less than a month. The shit they promised might not even get finished because CVR was just a paper tiger from the start.

>>395486379
I just found one that looks scarily like my fursona

>>395487054
cvr already added distance disable and safety precautions to handle typical crasher behavior
im happy
in my goop
squelching

>>395471926
Thank you! I already know how to actually set things up (have uploaded an avatar before with custom expressions), I just don't want to redo the process of doing it every single time I want to upload it with a new outfit (not toggle because I have too many outfit ideas)+(pure reasons only).
I was thinking of just putting the base in unity, adding all the menus/expressions/etc., saving it as "base", then whenever I wanted a new outfit I'd create/edit it (aka transfer weights) in blender and then add it to a copy of "base.unitypackage".
Don't know if that'd actually work due to the bones though. Maybe they'll merge together in unity.
If there are holes in my plan and you know a better way please tell me.

>>395487335
cat image stolen

>>395487054
see it this way, thanks to their fuck up it will grow slower and we will be free of normies for a few weeks longer than expected

>>395487054
Good, give me my small community. Imagine wanting to be in a platform with thousands of glowy tdas, normies, and quest screehers.

>>395487054
i still dont blame them. for the longest time they were used to like 10 players. i dont think they could have ever seen this EAC debacle coming. also see >>395488842

Can you even play VRchat wirelessly after the anticheat update on non-Oculus (virtual desktop stopped working)?

https://www.roadtovr.com/iron-man-vr-developer-camouflaj-psvr-2/amp/

>>395489141
I would even say they went above and beyond. You had 2 devs chugging along and modders that were supposed to be their biggest ally still wasted their efforts on modding vrchat. Modders only considered helping cvr when they got finally booted out of vrc.

Imagine if cvr has not kept the doors open for them and others to join in all these years. I think we should be much more grateful that we are able to move platforms like we could.

>>395489743
vd works with steam ver

>>395489749
was it any good?

is this an okay place to ask about VR porn? I'm not sure where else on 4chan people would ask about it.

Do you guys torrent porn on VR and add it to your headset? SLR is good, but it has a pretty limited selection. I've been torrenting things occasionally on sukebei for variety.

Looking for what the best things people have found/come up with so far

>>395491228
go to the /trash/ thread
vr porn isn't worth it

>>395491326
you're crazy dude its like the best thing about VR

>>395462484
Okay folks, for any Early NAers, Late EUs and whoever else, you can go ahead and join on Cumbelly Slayer, the instance is up.

>>395462484
>>395491575
cringe

>>395486549
They're some of the best friend a man can ever have. Always got your back

>>395491474
there's a difference between what most /trash/ enthusiasts do and the first person vr porn that's produced

>>395477484
has anything in the DLC mega updated since last time I played?

>>395491474
>fish eye lens 3D pig disgusting porn
>can't move your head or it breaks the illusion

>>395491228
Ive only been going on SLR and getting a 1 month pass whenever I feel horny and download a year worth of fap material. What godly resources are you getting from sukebei?

>>395491651
If you don't want to join, don't join. No reason to be a boiled hotdog over it.

>>395476246
>oof
Hello Redit

>>395491827
I don't know how real sex feels like so anything goes

>>395491474
vr porn videos suck monkey dick
vr porn games are where it's at
and
social vr multiplayer games are where you can cum the best and the most

Captcha for truth
it is x4 the GAY

Hi! I'm looking those models:
https://booth.pm/en/items/2057968
https://booth.pm/en/items/2589069
I already checked /e/ and /vrg/ archives and masterpost, but those link are dead.

>>395471684
Is there a tutorial for retards on this? I've been trying to fit booth outfits not made for my model for like weeks now but my mushy brain cannot figure it out.
I don't know if I'm using the wrong keyword but searching around didn't bring much help in the steps to take.

>>395484987
I’m on it

>>395492405
You can try the assetcord but they want you to upload something someone else requests first before you can see everything

>>395492447
Do you know about proportional editing?

>>395491575
Is part of CVR down? I'm not seeing anyone online and no one is joining.

Otherwise I guess the people who friended me earlier for this did it as a prank.

>>395493028
im usually not a wednesday vr-goer :(

>>395491793
dude what fucking retard porn are you looking at?

i suspect you are just too stupid to find good porn lol

>>395491827
well...that's what I've been trying to ask about, but you can at least sort by VR & most downloaded to get some decent videos that are not on SLR.

I never thought of the cheese you're describing of downloading all of their porn. What do you use to run it? Do you do to watch the downloaded videos PCVR + skyboxVR on windows, for example?

>>395492158
>vr porn videos suck monkey dick
i bet you tried just watching some random video you found on pornhub once

>vr porn games are where it's at
i tried kanojo VR, and it was fine...but was too glitchy for me to get past the kissing scene cause the floor couldn't get synced up right..
idk the VR porn games feel a lot more fake and you have to do a lot more work to make something sensible

>social vr multiplayer games are where you can cum the best and the most
wtf is that, you have some horny vrchat room i guess?

>>395491228
>is this an okay place to ask about VR porn?
There is a 2D hentai general on this board so probably

>>395493028
it works for me. he's online but currently still in an instance by himself, i assume he's making the post about the instance actually being up.
if not then uh, INSTANCE IS UP

>>395493231
It is up, I made the post here >>395491575

Unless i'm missing something, there is no invite link which is why I had people friend me so they could join on me.

>wtf is that, you have some horny vrchat room i guess?
the amount of erp that happens on vrc is sickening

>>395493426
oh my bad lol i missed it

>social vr multiplayer games are where you can cum the best and the most

>>395492447
Typing tutorial in the /vrg/ booru nets this
https://vrg.booru.org/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=323
See if it's still up

>>395492761
I don't mind doing that. I just wonder how I get into the assetcord

>>395493028
Yeah, the friends list is still down for a lot of people including me, they're investigating it. Clicking on somebody shows their actual online status. Accepting friend requests don't work for me right now either. But server and instance stability has been really good the last day. They're aware of both these issues, getting servers stable after migrating and rewriting the API was the top priority.

>>395493426
anyway i'm joining and dragging at least 2-3 people in there with me
it probably won't be super populated because of the hours being unfavorable for both EU wagies and NA wagies but there was literally no one on VRC tonight so I'm just getting on CVR, see you there

>wtf is that, you have some horny vrchat room i guess?
the amount of erp that happens on vrc is heavenly

there seem to be some splinter people in a separate instance as well, could just join on them tbqh

>>395493916
i'm assuming only with gay men and furries...right?

>>395494146
fat roasties too if you can put up with them

>>395494242
>fat roasties
*fat roasties from the midwest, with the most annoying as fuck voice

>>395494242
>>395494146
>>395494423
Yeah but you don't really see their real life self.
As long as they have a good avatar, personality and ability to move then the real life doesn't matter.
Virtual reality is all that matters.

>>395493916
NSFW content is against vrc ToS

>>395492807
No but I like to think I can follow directions half decently
>>395493726
Cheers, I'll check it out when I get home.

Thanks to everyone who showed up for the first Official Early NA CVR Hangout group photo!

NA anime in CHILLOUT tonight at 10pm est
chillout is stable again so we're unironically hosting it there. If it doesn't work out we'll come back and do it in vrchat

Bastard ep. 5
Bastard ep. 6
Muromi ep. 13 (OVA)

Still no Isekai Ojisan because of covid cancellation. Will continue on Sunday, will see how cvr goes today before deciding the platform for next time

>>395494146
second life aunts too

>>395494568
>Yeah but you don't really see their real life self.
I hear their voice and straight away I see this

>>395494940
sweet, everyone i wanted to see made it

>>395495094
Sounds like a (You) problem.
I suggest watching more anime dubbed anime

>>395494891
Press the "O" key on your keyboard next time you're in edit mode and try clicking on one vertice (or a group of vertices) and moving it. This can make it easy to morph clothing to fit your base. Adjust the size of the editing with the scroll wheel

>>395491783
No changes

>>395492447
Start by making a Donut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIoXOplUvAw

why do chinks get the new shit first

>>395496464
wheres my damn arpara

>>395496464
>wanting the shitty chink product with zero quality control

>>395491575
Hey, I'm in another group with a bunch of people right now
We tried dropping a portal on you but we can't because you can't drop portals to other people's Friends+ instances, and going there is a hassle because we can't accept invites right now
Join on the japanese temple map if you can

>>395498520
No big deal, i'll tell the others here about that - personally i'm leaving in just a bit for assetto but hopefully it'll be solved by the next Official Early NA CVR Meetup.

>>395495950
Thanks, every bit helps!

>>395491575
Thanks for coming, people showed up and it was a minor success. I'd keep at it longer but I gotta handle one or two things before assetto.

>>395496056
But I don't care about donuts?

there's another impromptu meetup going on right now
join anyone who's online, accepting friend requests can be a bit iffy rn so namedropping would be pointless

>>395495094
Why are you taking pictures of my wife grocery shopping?

>>395494940
actual meet

>>395477484
Assetto Corsa starting now, server details are in the previous post if you're interested.
Forgot that the config had Sol enabled for optional nighttime stuff, so I added that to the Mega. Here's the setup guide if you want to the map at night, but you'll be able to join without it.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/a4bbonqxi4qfgwy/Sol%202.2%20install%20guide.pdf?dl=0

>>395499923
Props looking goode

VRChat this was your battle to loose. No one was going to dethrone you no mater what features they had. all you had to do was NOT FUCK UP!

The numbers for CVR are small but this is all it needs to sustain. there will be a steady drip of users till one day it all flips

>>395499923
STOP RENAMING VRCHAT PICTURES FAGGOT

>>395494993
Update: we'll be starting Ueno-san wa Bukiyou after muromi today, will watch episode 1 and 2 (they are half length episodes)

>>395499923
I'm sure the UNofficial meet is nice, yes.

VRCisters we got too cocky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Moo8jYO0weQ

Vket in three days

>>395499923
>>395494940
>>395500352
Jokes aside, having two small meetups is a far cry from being essentially unable to do anything just a week ago, we got this, Chimpbros.

>>395500415
The chimps, they're chimping...

>>395493228
Dude just download all the porn you want then play it on deovr

>>395500441
>vrket
>mahjong
>friend by friend
sheesh it's gonna be a packed day for sure

I miss him bros

https://streamable.com/mzqwsx

>>395500656
Is there still a meetup going on? I want to join but I don't have anybody in the instance added

trippy grugski

>>395501474
Vket is a 2 week long event. Our group will take our time exploring those as always. Maybe a few every other day.

>>395501476
I don't. He might have been cool back in very early 2018 but he quickly turned in to a gigantic faggot.

>>395501545
The grugski theater...

>>395500152
this is literally in CVR

>>395495950
Isn't that just proportional edit?

>>395501490
there is
add Rokk
I'll risk the crash and take one for the team

>>395501915
he was just a bit turbulent, no big deal

>>395502143
Follow the reply chain, anon

>>395480115
Expensive for what you get and the software and store are not kept up well. Microsoft probably focusing on augmented reality glasses now. I had an Odyssey+ and the graphics were decent (at the time), but the tracking was only good enough to play slow movement games (no beat saber unless you wanted to push it). Controller stick drift after a few months. Because it goes through Mixed Reality portal there's all kinds of little problems that come up when using SteamVR, and you're basically blocked from using full body tracking by design unless you want it done hacky. Frankly I don't know how people buy the WMR HP Reverb 2 at the extreme price point and then tolerate Mixed Reality Portal.

>>395502069
you can tell that is vrchat from a mile away...

>>395501780
eh i dont go to the main groups for them b2cause there's always the issue of group pacing being fucky (larger the worse)), I'll probably go through them with like 3 other people at most

>>395502637
>b2cause there's always the issue of group pacing being fucky (larger the worse)
Yeah even our "big" exploration group for exploring this is 20 people at max. It helps when most people in the group actually likes exploring and soaking in the little details. Will advertise an explore of multiple vket maps on the next sunday after Friend by Friend.

We keep people together through explore more or less specially when going to another map after everyone had their fill of the current vket world.

>>395502237
He would spam particles and ear rape, and then when someone blocked him for it, he would start screaming and crying (actually crying, im not even making this up) over the mic.
The guy was VERY mentally unstable.

>>395503113
>mental illness
>particle spam, ear rape, screaming and crying
Name a more iconic vrc pairing.

>>395502254
Ah. Didn't know it had a keyboard shortcut. I always used the dropdown at the bottom of the screen so I could pick connected or not. Should have known a function in blender had a keyboard shortcut though. Basically every key does something.

>>395503793
>avatar work focus
>cooming, sexually deviant and sucking dick

>>395499923
Saving as jpg seems to fix that screenshot issue. Not sure why that shader in particular shows up as fully transparent in lag free screenshots. Good to know that was the issue.

the painful state of affairs

Thanks for coming to the CVR meetup!
Apologies if I missed any friend requests, they seemed to not show up until I restarted.
We successfully watched a funny youtube video in CVR so I have no doubts that watching movies or anime should be completely fine.

>>395504612
Damn they are still down ~6k players from three weeks ago.

Also loving D's map for the shitposts while still being actually usable for movie-watching
though it seems that at spawn if one particular object is in your view in VR, it makes the colors go all funky from some angles, affects the whole screen

>>395502158
Ah, I can't see the instance cause he has me blocked.

>>395505693
No, the instance is gone because people went off, and no one has anyone blocked
The original instance creator wasn't even from around here

>>395504612
picked up a new vr recently, a couple years ago random VR chat was like.. sort of young adults. no squeekers, etc.
now? yea.. invite lobbies only

>>395505693
>>395506002
Also it seems that you need to restart to see or accept friend requests, a bug they're working on
The usual people weren't on CVR today and it was pretty small so you probably just didn't have anyone added yet

>>395506002
>The original instance creator wasn't even from around here

?????

Yes I am?

>>395506323
I joined on the japanese shrine map and did not recognize any of the names there

>>395506404
I'm glad you had such a good time meeting new people!

>>395506404
i dont recognize half the people at the meet these days. not that im missing much, theyre still as boring as most of this thread.

>>395506404
Probably timezone differences or you running into oldfags that don't get on VRC much anymore. As far as I know the meetup started in a lab world and then moved over to a shrine map when the host left, and then eventually we made a portal to grugski theatre
>>395505693
I think that's just the game being a bit weird, I don't think any of us had anyone blocked. We tried dropping a portal to the lab world but it wouldn't let us do that either.
We went off at around 00:45 UTC so you may have missed us

>>395505223
i tried fading out the post processing near the screen so the video wouldn't have weird colour grading effects but post-processing volume blend is broken in-game (fine in editor)
couldn't fix it because I haven't updated the sdk since the game's extended downtime
good night

Today I will return to the blender dungeon

>>395504612
And on top of that their steam score will slip to overall mixed the next time steam updates ratings.
This alone is enough for new users to do a double take and just start out with alternatives that are being conveniently recommended below.

>>395507591
>mixed
WE FUCKING DID IT BROS

>>395506029
It's worse than just that. Quest standalone is now the majority platform. And now consider majority of Steam users will be desktoppers. They simply don't have to give shit about PCVR users anymore.

>>395507716
maybe cvr will just become the pcvr social platform, i dont care if vrchat gets to keep the kids

>>395507591
doesn't it have to actually hit 69.00% first?

>>395506002
Nah, I've always been here.

>>395508046
no, anything below 70% is mixed, in fact steam will show that as 69% and not 69.60% like steamdb does. However they only update ratings every few days.

>>395508098
i miss it

>>395508046
no, i think it just has to go below 70%. I'm not sure how the rounding works but you would think that if it already hit 69.6% it would surely have updated already. I think it has to go below 69% total.
Just 0.6 more percentage points bros....
>>395508203
From my observations it updates every couple of hours or so. But we'll see

new terms of service

You're not actually going to skip people at friend by friend, right?

The reviews are starting to taper off hard, there's almost as many positive as there are negative ones being written every day now. May not see that Mixed rating at this rate..

>>395507591
if you hover it says 70.13% of reviews are positive
I'm not sure what the difference is

https://steamdb.info/blog/steamdb-rating/
The big number uses steamdb's own system

>>395508098
Man I miss the THVR days. Wasn't really around vrg back then but it was comfy.
>>395505693
I don't have anyone blocked, I think you just didn't have any of us friended. We didn't have the usual EU crowd like we did at the last big CVR EU meetups.

Either way, thanks for coming folks! I was thinking we could do a bigger CVR meetup on friday night during EU hours. If no one else is up for hosting it, I can potentially host it. The API issues seem to be completely gone so no more random disconnects.

>>395508673
and yet review bombs did nothing

>>395508627
I will talk with everyone even those I am iffy with since I am a person of mercy, respect and forgiveness even if I never forget. It's important to always realize some people are just mistaken and they live their life misinformed. There is always a second and third chance for people. Never a fourth though and even then I'll still talk with them as enemies.

>>395509235
We already dropped the ratings down hard.

>>395508627
I will "skip" people who have me blocked anyway, it saves us both the trouble of getting spawned in an empty room
If it were up to me I wouldn't skip anyone, but I'm just taking the preferable alternative

>>395509110
I was the one that kept replying in this thread back then to go to The Gap instead of Void Club, and it actually worked for about a month. Also, as for that dude's joining issues, the friends list on CVR isn't really working right now, it's not an issue of blocks. For instance my friends has been showing everyone as offline, despite being in an instance with several people I have friended. It's the next thing they're working on fixing.

I want to play Morrowind VR, but I am spoiled by multiplayer servers. Does /vg/ know a Morrowind VR server?

>>395482068
Soda cat is watching you

>>395508627
Of course not, bring me the most eccentric and unstable personalities vrg has to offer!

>>395509757
>Does /vg/ know a Morrowind VR server?
Yes it's hosted by Arawen.

>>395509757
Didn't anon have a server going? Maybe it was just a test...

>>395508627
Only furries. Im gonna ask people what their favorite board is and if they cant answer Im gonna start a votekick and tell the host to kick the randos.

>>395508627
I'm going to pull cards from the Lewd deck for 5 minutes and you WILL endure it.

>>395500097
Has anyone created/posted a map in CVR? Wonder if the process is easy.

>>395510992
>lewd deck
That's not implemented yet. That's for February

>>395511065
Yeah D and KM and H has made maps for CVR.
Maps are pretty simple ports as long as you don't use triggers.

>>395511065
It's actually as simple as making an SDK2 world. CVR has its own basic trigger system as well as video players. It's not on the level of Udon yet but for things like mirror/object toggles and synced video players, it works.

>>395511249
Triggers are fine, the issue is udon stuff.

>>395511065
I have a few uploaded already. It's a very simple port if it's just a world with some mirrors and maybe a video player.

>>395511065
Yeah my Nuclear Powerplant map is in. It also passed inspection and is public now, feel free to search "The Plant"

>>395508627
I'm skipping all of my enemies.

I think for friend by friend I am going to angrily demand things like "Don't talk" and see how many people will listen if I demand things forcefully enough.

>>395512583
But I already don't talk

>>395512583
>"oh, uh...o-ok..."

>>395500176
>>395494993
NA anime in CVR is beginning in a few minutes
add/join off of pgpweasel or hiina and keep in mind you might have to restart the game before the friends list updates.

>>395512885
how do I add friends?

>>395512583
Will you headpat and cuddle me if I comply?

https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-10-august-2022/12224
>This still has some way to go and we’ve got some controls to work out, but we thought you’d like to see the prototype!
>… Now, the more astute among you are probably saying “Hey, wait a minute. That’s basically drone mode! Does it work in VR?!”
>It doesn’t work in VR yet, but it should. So, we’re moving onto that next. There might be a version or two where this is a desktop-only feature, but we want to work on a VR-controllable drone mode so you can move your camera lens around without having to physically place it.
cvr has all of this already
its over

>>395512885
lets use male avatars this time

>Hide Avatar Globally
>This feature lets you hide an avatar globally, which means you won’t ever see that avatar, no matter who is wearing it! The only exception will be if you explicitly have “show avatar” turned on for a specific user.
>This task got moved into QA, but got passed back into development due to some edge-case failures.
Soon I'll never have to see a TDA ever again.

>>395512583
I will force feed them eggs

>>395513213
go to search and click on details of a person, can add from there

which anons would you force to eat ALL the eggs?

>>395513417
atm my only issue with CVR is performance, its too demanding for my GPU

>>395513417
>Terms of Use and Privacy Policy Updates
>Sorry if this bit sounds a little stiff – it’s legal stuff.
>We have updated our Terms of Service 74 (or “TOS”) and our Privacy Policy 10, both of which are effective as of today (August 10, 2022). You will be prompted on your next log-in to VRChat to accept the TOS changes.
>These changes mostly consist of general course updates to ensure our documentation aligns with our operations, and to ensure these documents make sense with ongoing changes to regulation around the world. The changes also include specific updates relating to the integration of EAC into VRChat.

>>395512885
>>395513213
just found at cvr has a URL whitlelist function like vrchat does now. You need to go into settings > general and find the "enable url whitelist" setting and turn it off to see the videos we will be showing

>>395513851
graphics settings and avatar distance hide should help
that or hiding non friend shaders

>>395513559
sent

>>395514167
have to restart the game to see friend requests and accepting them from the website doesn't work, bear with me

>>395514079
Like theres a lack of being able to change the graphics, my GPU is cooking at like 79 degrees in some worlds

>>395507591
nice

>>395514495
80 is pretty typical for a gpu doing its thing

>>395514007
>Fraud Prevention & Anti-Cheat Information
>We aim to provide users with a positive user experience on the Platform by minimizing abuse of VRChat or other users on the Platform. We strictly enforce prohibitions against cheating, hacking, account stealing and any other unauthorized or fraudulent activity on the Platform. We use a variety of anti-cheat and fraud prevention technologies to help us identify and prevent malicious activity. These services may collect and analyze data about your computer and the software on your computer to detect cheating and misuse of the Platform. For example, these services may monitor your gameplay and device’s RAM, processes, communications, and file storage and otherwise detect the use of “modified clients.” One such service we use is Easy Anti-Cheat from Epic Games, Inc.

>>395514429
>>395514167
this just in: I've heard you can just search someone's name and join off them, even if you don't have them added, assuming the instance is joinable. If that doesn't work try restarting so it updates the friend list

>>395509757
im pretty sure /vrg/ has a morrowind VR server. there's posts about it every so often

>>395509757
Yes, look at the vrg party van in the server browser, pass is 1984

https://rentry dot co/vrgwind

>>395514579
im used to it being around 70

>>395514695
>These services may collect and analyze data about your computer and the software on your computer
These motherfuckers

>>395514695
>may monitor your gameplay and device’s RAM, processes, communications, and file storage
Does this mean all our actions and what we say even our body language is going to be recorded now hence fort?
Is that where my FPS and CPU cycles has gone to? To continually record these data for sending to their servers?

Good morning vrg

https://ask.vrchat.com/t/developer-update-10-august-2022/12224

>>395516071
Bonsoir, Anon..

>>395516357
You mean bonjour.

>>395513832

>>395516438
Sorry Anon, it's soir in the civilized world.

>>395516558
Sorry anon, whether or not it is soir depends on when I wake up so it is matin now.

I despise you french

I love the French.
Did you know that they invented french fries?

Belgium did

anon it's freedom fries now
we liberated them remember?

why do you french people not use the quote system, what is wrong with you fucking savages

>belgium did
>french fries
>french
Silly anon.

when is the french meetup so i can block all of you?

>We have released a new experimental Update
>ChilloutVR 2022r166p1
>This update contains the following changes:
>- Fixed an issue that would result in users not being able to connect to our realtime API network.
>- Fixed an issue that would render UI elements unusable on some worlds
>- Fixed a bug where the local avatar would be culled in some situations
>- Fixed some crashes related to concave mesh colliders
>- Fixed some crashes related to menu-related actions
>The new BuildID is 9293080
ingame api messages about new experimental builds as well
neato

>>395494993
I joined and everyone was staring at a blank screen in complete silence.

>>395517835
disable url whitelist

>>395515651
Thank you.

>>395517176
«why do you french people not use the quote system, what is wrong with you fucking savages»
What did he mean by this?

>>395518291
dumb fucking frogposter get the FUCK off my website

>>395518291
i'm going to piss all over your crotch so it looks like you pissed your own pants.

>>395518291
0+0=0

Post frog.

any kero mmd i can turn into a cute avatar

>>395518640

>>395514695
Gonna need you to dumb it down for me there chief

>>395519716
this is not true i talk with my mom and my sister all the time

>>395514695
>these services may monitor your gameplay and device’s RAM, processes, communications, and file storage
fuck
OFF

What's the difference between skinned mesh and normal mesh?
>A skinned mesh has a Skeleton with bones that can then be used to animate the vertices of the geometry.
Isn't that every mesh then? Since you need to use bones + weight painting to move them.

>>395519475
>These services may collect and analyze data about your computer and the software on your computer

>>395520116
You can have meshes without an armature. You can move them around at a single unit in unity, but they just can't have any independently moving parts which would necessitate an armature.

>>395512885
We're moving to a new theater world to try and fix some playback issues, look for us in "the plant" theater


>>395517835
see >>395514050
if that's not it try re joining, player is a bit buggy

>>395520102
>>395520167
God fucking damn can you stop shoving it up my ass for TWO SECONDS

>>395520269
I'm too much of a brainlet and what you're saying doesn't tell me anything no matter how hard I try to make sense of it. So basically everything needs to be attached to a single skeleton?

>>395502279
They updated the portal so you can bypass it and only use steamvr among other things.

>>395520778
If you had a regular mesh and set that as a child of the right hand bone, the mesh would move along with the right hand bone, but the individual parts of the mesh would not move independently and will stay stiff.

>>395520778
You can make a mesh move, rotate, and scale in unity without the need for an armature. These operations don't actually cause any changes to the layout of the mesh. What an armature does is introduce a skeleton which lets you actually deform the mesh, like bending a joint or something.

Something like a prop, such as a crayon or something, may not need an armature because it doesn't have to bend or deform at all. Instead, you can set it to follow along with your wrist bone, but the key thing is that the crayon doesn't need an armature of its own because it doesn't have to deform.

>>395521281
>>395521361
That actually makes sense, thanks!
Sucks that that's the only reason I will be moved from good to medium, as I need the body, head and outfit to deform.

Great, so what do I have to worry about now?

>>395521717
put your outfit and your body on the same mesh you silly baka
unless the ability to take off your clothes on the spot is absolutely essential to you I guess

>>395521930
...
Why did that not cross my mind, thanks.

>>395521717
Those can all be joined together in blender as one single skinned mesh
you may want to still keep the head and body seperate, but it's dependant on the amount of total tris you have and how many blendshapes that are active, since having too many tris and a ton of activated blendshapes all joined together in one skinned mesh is less performant than keeping them seperate

>>395522487
yeah I think I'll join everything except the face, as I do have a lot of expressions.
Thank you once again!

>>395518775
Here's the old Touhou MMD archive, I think the one most people use is the Nigamon type. Most of the time people find stuff on 3d.nicovideo.jp or bowllroll.net, but I think there's no good newer models for her.
http://mikumikudance-official-models.blogspot.com/2015/03/touhou.html

Workout world is up, sorry I'm late.
Pls join https://vrch.at/xvt45c8p
or Definitely Not A Cat

>>395524151
needs more furries, how am I suppose to cum?

>>395524123
Yeah I actually went and gave it a look and there's nothing worth sinking time into.

>>395524483
Just do the obvious:
>take an old MMD model of a character
>take the clothes and hair from the MMD
>take the face/body from a Booth base that fits
>bash them together until it works

>>395524943
I wish I was still a neet

>>395524994
Pay me and I will do it for you

>>395524151
furfaggot brothers... we... lost...

>>395525058
sent

Going to play VRShill in a couple minutes, wish me luck, I hope the servers work!

>>395526806
US servers are working

>>395525061
Whoa hol up when I said furries left vrc for cvr I was joking but did they actually do it? Bro this update keeps getting better and better.

>>395527581
considering vrc has thousands of furries and only 300 people play cvr, no.

>>395496464
It's almost like they sacrifice a lot of shit just to be first with amazing on paper specs. There's a reason why you never hear about most of them ever again after their initial announcement/release.

Why no fly!!! Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!

>>395512885
>>395494993
CVR anime was mostly successful, but with some minor headaches. The video player really needs work. Was sometimes hard getting it to play properly for everyone, and there were occasionally some AV sync issues. Haven't decided yet if next anime night will be in CVR again or not.

>>395531904
Its has the same feeling of an unpolished neos headache and all.

>>395531904
Bad news, it doesn't work with Dropbox, so kamen rider after anime is a no go

>>395531404
Give me 3 good reasons and your ID code and i'll do it.

>>395531904
bros wtf i thought the shills said that the video player was better than vrchats?

>>395532506
funne panosphere

>>395532946
Stuff that doesn't work is never better...

>>395533203
are you guys still going?

>>395534157
Nah, some folks went to bed and the others hopped on VRC to hang out with some never-CVRers.

>>395534235
Dang. Hope to join you guys sometime.

>>395460450
Most of the cows can't see under themselves, so just go for it.

>>395534970
This is correct there's a big blind spot down there

>>395535674
p-put your boobs away lady!!!

>>395535674
Booba! I will make it my mission to match with them in FbF and snugglethose nekotiddies 1 on 1

>Spent 3 hours trying to fix something in Unity and I'm not more advanced than when I started

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I did it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6eKSLacqKM

>>395536190
Congrats anon!

>>395535859
No!

Should I go with my new avatar, my old trusty avatar most people know me with, or make a new one just for Friend by Friend?

>>395536274

>>395536314
Bring all your avatars and make your match pick!

>>395536314
As long as people can still recognize you it doesnt really matter

>>395536305

>>395536314
Ignore the others. Go as pic related with a chair

>>395536687
most people won't regardless.

any meetups or anything thursday? ChilloutVR may have got me into actually trying social VR games since I had a hard time with VRchat.

>>395536314
just be yourself :)

Have a few beat saber questions after the blog
>Start modding custom songs
>Hard on one song equals expert+ on another (just go by NPM for some kind of standard, jesus christ)
>Half of them have meme difficulty names leaving you to guess based on NPM
Why do people do this. Also presumably there's no real etiquette/expectations joining Beat-Off Together servers or they'd be password protected, right? Just feels a little weird after using nothing but MM.

Also also the game isn't stupid enough to just let me copy paste official songs into the official menu and presumably checks for some sort of purchase, right? Also*3 are there any mods to make the multiplayer stage match the song being played and if not, at least alternate MP stages I can download?

>>395539642
Or NPS* rather

ay, tony! ...

>>395539968
...wut

>>395540125
using epic sopranos meme to flex a score we don't care about

>>395540164
i dont know the guy, he probably cheats

>>395539968
>>395540427
oh i am in wrong general, thanks

im giving up on blender, being a very poor default recolored booth is fine enough

Should I drink tonight?

>>395540738
it's a thursday, no

>>395540613
iktf
>>395540738
Pharmacology research chad here, if a couple drinks yes, drunk to shitfaced no. I'll save the essay nobody cares about

>>395540768
it's still wednesday night

>>395540813
What if I have one, very large drink?

>>395540768
It's Thursday after he goes to sleep for the night, and if euro and drinking at 8-9am then that's a bigger problem
>>395540859
Even PST is technically thursday but see above
>>395540880
the_biggest_beer_in_the_universe_american_dad_reference.mp4.exe

>>395540813
How do you be satisfied with only a couple?

>>395540813
Don't need an essay but can you drop a summary at least? You can't claim to be a researcher and not say anything interesting.

>>395540992
By not being an alcoholic?
You just gotta learn to get a good buzz then stop without going overboard.

I wish I could drink, but I can't because of how my liver looks...

>>395540738
save it for friend by friend

>>395540992
Being drunk hasn't been fun for a long time, just the moderate amount of gaba and dopameme to make things comfy without a massive wave of glutamate making me feel like shit/wide awake a few hours later. I'd even rather just do a 1+1=3 thing with benzos and alcohol then add in a nicotene lozenge or cigar for peak comfy without being too sedated

Last time I was shitfaced was a rum distillery tour with overly generous samples, the smooth taste made me put money on a lack of congenes not giving me a hangover and 10~ shots later I was right. Bought a souveneir glass because I felt bad and why not (10 good shots for $16, tour aside, I mean) and it came with another two drinks. Stumbling around ikea shitfaced was amusing for about half an hour then turned into a "okay can this be over" thing

Blogs aside a few psychiatry disorders that got me into the field also took a lot of the fun out of it, but that shit is the most harmful not-hard drug too which is worth some consideration.

>>395541384
That's more normie behavior than alcoholism; when you're at the point of psychologically needing it to mitigate withdrawals (haha gaba/DA receptors downregulated) and go to baseline it's an addiction. Fun thing is because of the aforementioned glutamate and little gaba left to counter it, going cold turkey can kill you via an excitotoxicity induced seizure (same with benzos but anyone put on those regularly long term has a retarded doctor, most of which are indeed retarded)

In fixated rambling mode atm, can disregard my essay as needed

>>395541575
why aren't you a doctor if you know so much

>>395541575
Also among other reasons, alcohol is extremely taxing on the liver which is why ODing on benzos by themselves is virtually impossible but with alcohol the liver's already working overtime, can't be fucked with the benzos (or opioid or whatever CNS depressant) so not only do they stack, but it's amplified big time

Iunno hope someone finds this semi interesting. The reason for its danger aside from the aforementioned includes an ability to easily acutely fatally OD, propensity for addiction and the relative damage of addiction, societal problems between assault/drunk driving, accessibility and comfort because legal = not drug[???], above interactions etc. Should mention it also destroys sleep quality as sleep is an active process and turning down the CNS isn't really good for that, and this is excluding the glutamate part

>>395541935
Recently abandoned my old career once I realized I could get into psychiatry and not have to go to med school as a psych APN, yeah I'm "just a nurse" but it's essentially the same job, just can't order things like TMS/ECT. Really wanted to get involved once I factually understood how fucking awful prescribing practices are and how little doctors know, but also it was a huge quality of life (and salary) improvement anyway. Still going to do a phd and while it's not my intent, being a "doctor" but not an MD and in medicine will trigger the shit out of physicians and that's a funny image to me. The shit I've seen from the 10 psychs I've been through just made me beyond upset knowing how they're just fucking their patients over due to laziness and ignorance as med school teaches virtually nothing, they have no incentive to do their own research and the FDA guidelines they parrot are absolute nonsense.

Even though responding to a post I do feel the need to apologize for the blog

>>395541575
>>395542246
And just waiting for that one sperg who always cries about reddit spacing because typing in a six inch box is a really good preview of post format and also having posts be not a wall of text is reddit (ironically reddit is horrible for unformatted essay posts)

>>395540730
filtered

>>395542601
>420th post
nice

>>395542601
whatever....

>>395540730
If you are going to go this route might I suggest going with a full default booth and own it so much every other person eventually thinks of you when they see an edited version of it.

>>395541575
>>395542246
This was an interesting mini-writeup, thanks.
VR has me drinking more, and more often, than at any other time in my life, including some really boozy workplace cultures. I do worry about what it's doing to everyone long term but a lot of VR is boring when sober because it's largely a drinking party and my baseline is being an introverted shut in.

will you be buying the AR glasses frens?

>>395545078
You are what you surround yourself with.
VR for me is exploration, creation and making happy memories with friends. Drink moderately and find other cifcles to diversify where you invest your time in not just the drinking party crowd as fun as they are for you right now.

>>395545306
how about making shitty events

>>395545306
>happy
>drink
someone who is actually happy doesn't have to alter the state of mind with drugs and alcohol to feel said happiness
god i hate vr drunks, every time i meet one in a vrg meetup i just block or ignore

>>395545251
i did not bother with lasik only to wear even bulkier glasses later, no thanks

>>395545251
>AR glasses
Will it allow me to molest anime girls while on the train without looking like a weirdo?

>>395545470
I don't even drink anymore but stop projecting you fucking retard, you have no idea how any drug works at all and are just projecting hard. Yeah don't eat food, fap or anything because that's just a cope and someone not in a sad state of mind would never do these things despite having the exact same reinforcing and addictive mechanisms. Christ you faggots are worse than alcoholics who try to make excuses for their behavior

>>395546064
Posting on 4chan is also cope

>>395546064
whatever you have to tell yourself to feel better about crawling inside of that battle son.

>>395546306
I don't crawl into battle I stride and I feel great about it

I'm so hungry.

>>395546607
Me too...maybe ill make hamburgers again, or a bowl of ramen. I'm running low on both though...

>>395546824
I don't want to eat instant noodles anymore.

>>395546607
Same but I need to stay strong to get skinny and cute again

>>395546884
ywnbaw

>>395546884
I am not strong enough.

>>395547061
Women are on average fatter than men

So can you finally use the quest 2 without facebook crap? And is quest 2 still the best quality/price option?

>>395547785
>without facebook crap
Download oculus app on your phone and wait till they add "login with meta account" option.
For now it's only facebook.
>And is quest 2 still the best quality/price option?
Yeah.

>>395547785
>And is quest 2 still the best quality/price option?
yes. by far. even after 2 years
the current hmd market is shit
but don't buy q2 wait for pico 4

>>395531904
What's the point in gimping is like this with shitty cvr when we already have comfy workable stuff in vrc. I can't be fucked

>>395552078
You don't have to continue getting fucked in the ass by Tupper and the CCP.

>>395539209
There's EU anime later

>>395552168
most people here already play a bunch of other games that use EAC

It's not any different

>>395552168
cvr is just as corrupt, all of them are
vrc is the comfiest cage to stay in out of them all

>>395540730
Optimization isn't that hard!

>>395552340
I've never played a single game that required me to run EAC. I've dropped a few games over the years before or because they added it.
I've pirated games because they had it on launch.
Many of my friends do the same or can't if they wanted because it locks them out because of older hardware or Linux.

>>395552692
>linux users

post ignored

>>395552692
>it locks them out because of older hardware or Linux.
good riddance
linuxfags are insufferable and love the smell of their own farts

>>395552762
Anon... You read to the last word.

>>395552816
>linuxfags are insufferable and love the smell of their own farts
This. Questies, on the other hand, are the real quality users.

>>395552838
i skimmed over it and saw "linux"

i then did not process anything else of that post

>>395553897
why is there a picture of a tda nigger on my screen

>>395552371
i cant atlas bro... im trying again tomorrow anyway, good night anon.

>>395552816
seeing as the trash furfag using gentoo found way to make eac work on his meme os it only got rid of the less obnoxious ones while real insufferable faggots stay

>>395554664
Atlasing is a pain.
https://vrwiki.nexisonline.net/wiki/Booth_Optimization_example#Considering_Materials

that might help

>>395511065
Its pretty easy.

>>395552168
I'd rather not get fucked in the ass by tons of issues and a lack of features desu

>>395511065
i heard maps in cvr get censored to shit, they get denied for the most retarded reasons

>>395557948
Bullshit, its pretty much the same shit as anything else.

>>395557948
Not really. You can't set content with obvious nudity and gore public though. It's not a fully automatic process as it is in VRC.
You are free to keep them private and invite your friends only.

>>395551176
Should I sell my q2 for the Pico 4?

>>395558358
so if the world is private can i upload it with no checks?
i am not interested in CVR if there is no way to upload worlds and avatars (at least as private) with no oversight. As i refuse to support some faggot who thinks he gets to decide what is allowed and what is not. They are not god.

>>395558525
Avatars are more or less completely without oversight if kept private (although they should be tagged properly). Don't know about worlds.

>>395558358
it wasn't automated in vrchat until 2019, makes sense that a small developer like cvr has to still do it manually.

>>395558525
VRC just updated its TOS to ban DJs who play music that doesn't belong to them.

>>395558525
Yes, private - as in, not indexed by the search and not cloneable for avatars - doesn't get reviewed.

>>395558668
good
playing other people's music is not a talent.

>>395461383
their mods are incredibly ban happy. one told me to stop having an animated pfp because it triggered their hallucinations

>>395558863
Its kinda how ALL DJs work. All of them ever.

>>395558668
literally always been in the TOS. not actionable

>>395559224
They just added more stuff today.

>>395558668
Don't /ourDJ/ have an avatar and logo thats pretty much Marshmello?

>>395558668
Oh boy here we go, the tone deaf developers are at it again.

>>395559834
They grew enough so they don't need to give any freedom to users anymore.

>>395531904
weird, it worked pretty well for us. perhaps it's down to the filehost being used?

>>395559687
No, but we there are a ton of DJs using likenesses to stuff.

>>395559834
I want to believe this is bullshit and they are not actually doing this. Also VRChat is bleeding out PC players fucking hard right now. Like holy shit.

>>395531904
Oddly enough for stuff like this I would recommend Neos and do it in a private lobby.

Good morning, Good morning, and Good morning

>>395560187
Good moring, vrc player count is 13k right now and possibly going lower. think we might get a 10k within the next 7 days?

>>395559834
flame please learn how to read instead of shitstirring

>>395560506
Yes

DJ events was always laggy shit. Good that they are finally gone.
Will be nothing but an improvement to VRChat with them gone.

>>395560530
First off, I’m not flame, second off, I took the post at face value so unless you’re going to post the exact wording of the tos to change my mind, fuck off, and no u.

>>395560506
>13k
>mid day EU
>eus working
>na's sleeping
>jps barely exist

seems fine to me

>>395560697
Think maybe there will be a hard shift to indie gaming or something? Problem is that the devs have no credibility at this point and its super risky to do anything on the platform if they are so willing to suicide their shit.

>>395560973
Are you kidding? This is extremely low. Before EAC the lowest you might have seen at the worst time was 28k

>>395561069
According to steamcharts this is still SOMEWHAT within expected values. The last time it dropped this low pre-EAC was almost exactly 1 month ago, also on a thursday at around this exact time.
But it does not happen often.

>>395561069
That claim would be more credible if it was supplied with a chart showing the actual player numbers at a given time of a day for a few week(s) before and after EAC.

>>395561294
You have to go back to 2020 before you see numbers like this and even then the 2020 numbers look like a proper healthy heart beat. Ever since EAC all charts look like its on life support.

If they are bleeding out money right now on top of players then I imagine shareholders have a right to sue the shit out of them over this.

>>395560974
If they monitize VRC, you could make clubs with entrence fee's in VRC.
And that would be earning money by playing copyrighted music on the VRC platform.
Given they take the Roblox approach to monetization, with "In Map" purchases etc.
IRL clubs do this already, but different when it comes to internet? I'm not a lawyer, but that is what I think.

>>395561616
Makes total sense. And I am sure the money would be pretty good if they decide to do a market with crypto / nfts and stuff. Normies will be fucking flabbergasted though.

>>395561752
>crypto nfts
No

Jesus christ

>>395561851
The other option is Robux.
You think that's fucking better?

>>395561752
>Crypto/NFT
Don't think so, more like you can buy 100 VRCredits for 1$ and spend in game. Like a normal mobile phone game.

>>395561991
Its objectively worse to go that route over a crypto. But then again, Roblox be printing that money.

>>395561951
They're the same thing, dumbo. One is completely controlled by the creator of the currency, and the other doesn't have any crypto meme in it

vrchat aren't competent enough to handle crypto without fucking up, they'll go with vrcbux

>>395561069
Not really, Its like a 2k difference. VRChat dips around this hour in general

>>395561069
Proof: you ass

>>395562227
It's peak SEA hours. EUs at work, NAs getting up for work

>>395562114
And VRC will print money with an Roblox approach.

>>395562332
SEANiggers are irrelevant

>>395562127
HAHAHA
One of the main reasons people flip out over crypto so much is because they have absolutely no fucking clue what it is.

>>395562227
Chart looks like shit, doesn't even have the latest numbers. Looks like it was from a week ago. Nice try though, I like how you hid the most recent info. VRC is dumping hard right now.

>>395562281
Look at a fucking chart. This isn't fucking reddit.

>>395562419
God I hope so

>>395562227
Why is the line first kinda smooth and then repeated patterns from the 12th onwards?

>>395562193
The only difference between vrbux and cryptovrbux is that one uses extra processing power for no reason. You really have to understand that if an entity creates their own blockchain to establish their currency they're still going to have complete fucking control over it.

>>395562540
They magically lost their numbers a week ago.
https://steamplayercount.com/app/438100
This one still has them.

>>395562620
Store it locally on a CEX avoid all fees ect.
Also, never create your own coin.

>>395562678
>They magically lost their numbers a week ago.
What do you mean? I thought Steam has total control over the number of Steam users connected?

>>395562963
Both of those are third party sites.

>>395562540
Because that particular chart is garbage. You have to use one that properly displays numbers. steam player count one shows the actual data

>>395562510
my man you can literally see the time

it was to disprove your retarded claim of "Before EAC the lowest you might have seen at the worst time was 28k"

>>395563147
Just facts of your feelings bra
Shits pretty clearly in the numbers right now. VRChat is dumping hard right now. Its down more than 50% on PC players. They are going to be forced to remove EAC if they want to keep them.
Quest users on the other hand who knows. Maybe thats all they need and the plan the entire time was Questies.

>>395563402
The irony being that quest users don't have EAC for their client. CVR is getting dangerously close to usable and people are gonna start finding out.

>>395563402
>get disproved with numbers & a literal chart
>won't even counter with his own chart
you are terrible at this, please stop posting.
VRChat will not remove EAC.

>>395563402
>Its down more than 50% on PC players.
Where do you see the number of PC players on steamplayercount? I don't see where you got that figure from, and what precise dates it refers to.

>>395563554
*Yawn* Read a chart please.

>>395563614
Steam is the PC market. Also use your mouse and hover over the chart. It shows everything clearly. VRC dipping under 14k today is catastrophic. Its clearly bleeding players out. Its down trending and its clear as fuck its the case to anyone who can understand the chart.

>>395562332
>peak SEA hours
Doesn't exist
t. Australian

Stop responding the the bait

>>395563924
my man you are pathetic

>>395562678
I don't feel like I can trust this chart either.

This is not how timeline charts are supposed to work.

>>395564056
It was sarcasm as it clearly indicates the lowest user count

>trusting steamplayercharts

what the fuck is this?

>>395563504
That is pretty funny. Anyone underestimating CVR right now is in full cope mode. VRC is actually suffering at the moment.

>>395564096
I'm just going off what I see bra. Sorry! Here ill make it easy.

>>395564149
Yeah thats pretty fucking weird ngl. But everything else lines up perfectly. Just mouse over the numbers for each day and watch as people attempt to dismiss the chart while they are in 100% cope mode watching an obvious player bleed out. I mean its really fucking obvious. All lurkers in here with two brain cells can see on both of those charts that shits looking really grim for VRC right now.

steamplayercharts only saves a single value for anything before august.
This chart is useless.

The best part is the people attempting to dismiss the charts right now will be doing the same shit if VRC dumps below 10k concurrent players.

>>395564480
looks like a bunch of values all the way from 2017 too me. HAHAHA

Oh shit, VRC is actually trending below knuckles numbers now. The big Knuckles fiasco in 2017, that was 16k players. This HAS to be spooking investors, you would HAVE to be fucking blind to not be at least a little worried about this.

Use charts that actually record playercount during the day, instead of comparing Peak hours to Quiet hours.

>thursday
>at the worst time possible
No shit the numbers are low

>find a cute looking hair
>can't find it on booth
Feels stinky.

>>395558668
This has to be larp. Really? That would also mean you can’t stream music to a world media player ?

>>395565414
the TOS also states that you can't have copyrighted material in avatars or worlds
the TOS doesn't matter

>>395565049
I bet they wont clear 30k at the peak of Friday night. Feeling kinda lucky. So what are the devs going to do? Just limp a long while Neos and CVR gain momentum? Maybe go full Roblox and hope for the best? Drop the creator economy and realize that the market in social VR is a different ball game?

>>395565414
I doubt it. I think the reason they are tightening shit up is because they plan to drop the creator economy and want to not get sued into the ground over DMCA shit. Like I know I am shitting on VRC right now but its not going to be THAT bad I think. Its either they are selling the company to Facebook or the creator economy is going to be a massive game changer so they are taking it in the ass with no lube in the hopes it pays off. It probably will.

>>395564480
Yeah, I tried getting the value for the current time from weeks back, but it only has one daily value before that, so I can only compare the current dead SEA hours to whatever was the time saved before. I can't compare SEA to SEA hours, unless that's what the reporting time was before, which it probably wasn't, because it's a US company. We may even be comparing SEA to NA hours here.

Also, note that Sunday had 32k players and the minimum peak number of this month is actually _higher_ than last month, though the average is slightly (12%) down.

>>395565727
>reach 28k instead of 30k friday night
>drop in the bucket, don't care, continue as they are

thats it

>>395565727
I'll point you to this
>>395507716
Strictly speaking PCVR players are irrelevant minority, desktoppers will keep desktopping because that's what they do. From POV of some corpo in suit that invested money into VRC this is the perfect situation, Quest 2 is easily controlled walled garden environment and practically single target platform (Quest 1 is EOL with minimal install base). If anything, the investors would love for devs to drop PCVR support completely or just make it second class citizen while all focus goes on standalone Quest.

This cvr shill is putting me to sleep bros zzz

Reminder that we're playing the basketball game at 9est

>>395565770
Not counting the spike below 8k the dip below 14k today displays a very clear down trend. Zoom out. look at the numbers comared to last week. Its clearly down as fuck.

>>395565918
Continue while competitive platforms gain a foothold which was a strategic blunder. The VRC devs fucked up full stop. They didn't stop client users or rippers. They lost all trust with the PC userbase.

>>395566160
>Strictly speaking PCVR players are irrelevant minority...

This checks out imho
So if you are a PC user right now, ESPECIALLY desktop user. They want you gone. You are fucking worthless to them. This makes the absolute most sense anons. The club scene, worlds that are not quest based ect... They don't want your worthless shit in their Quest game. They will clear out all of the old worthless worlds and impose rules to force PC users out of the market. Get the fuck out of their Quest game you dirty PC users.

>vrc
>most established foothold, most players, user content & scripting
>cvr
>barely managing to scrape by, gimmicky props, dev team 1 skiddie melty away from being ruined inside-out
>neos
>furfags

I'm sticking with VRC

>>395566868
who asked?

>>395566926
your mom

Does anything have this QuQu Peke avatar to share?

>>395567015
She did not. She is drinking tea in the kitchen together with your mom.
Speaking of which, your mom complained about you quite a bit actually, you should really consider stopping all that dragon dildo stuff.

>>395566409
name? link?

>>395567263
Thats funny, Both your, my, and your dad (He actually came back, shocking, huh.) are all downstairs in my house enjoying a home cooked meal i made for them.

They all agreed that you taking HRT is weird, and they wished you'd stop, but can't say it to your face.

>>395566664
>Zoom out.
But zoom out further (1 year) and see how the dip is barely noticeable after a very controversial update.
Zoom out even further (3 years) and you'll see how there have been some dips before, despite a huge trend in the long term. (I'm not talking about New Year's here.)

I do think that there's a ~10% dip of players right now, but it's only been, what, a bit more than a week? Why would you extrapolate a trend from just the week, but ignore the bigger picture? The week could fall into the time period that protesters are willing to abstain and try out alternatives.
Based on the numbers having grown since the (much lesser) backlash after the introduction of VRC+, I am guessing that the numbers will have normalized in a few months and then have further grown.

>>395566868
I'm into CVR for the journey, it's promising. Smaller community, way comfier.
VRC, not as much.

>>395567604
That looks fucking bad still. WTF are you smoking? Imagine being desperate enough to do anything you can to find a way to look at the chart so its not as bad looking.

The numbers nigga, look at them.

>>395568023
>oh no the quiet hours are slightly more quiet than usual!!! panic!!

nigga you are retarded. Please tell me you failed math.

>>395567219
Anon you will never obtain QuQu Peke I will make sure of it

>>395567604
Be a good little boy now and drag the right white handle over to the right a tiny bit so it shows the most recent data. You can do it. Its really easy, just point and click.

>>395564240
Time travelers

>>395568162
>>395567604
I'm fucking crying, did you even fucking look at the 3 year? It looks like it fucking shitcoin mid rug HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

>>395568162
>Please tell me you failed math.

Alright this is bait. im done, pretty good shit though. The 3 year chart though is amazing, I'm glad I bothered to check it out now.

EU anime tonight at 7pm UTC+1. We're watching Made in Abyss ep 6, Hataraku Maou-sama!! ep 5 and Hoshi no Samidare ep 5. No Isekai Ojisan this week
Still in VRChat

>>395569079
>only peak times compared to all times

your chart is fucked lad.

>>395552189
in CVR? I re-made my avatar recently

>>395569483
>>395569578

>>395570102
Also who do I join off from

>>395570352
Pengwyn or join the instance link when it's posted

>>395570674
Thank u

More like penglose lmao owned

>>395571568
nice one B

>>395552342
>comfiest cage
>collects your system data
>hates its users

>>395554787
its not hard to get EAC to work on Linux
for devs its practially all the effort of clicking a checkbox to enable compatibility and pack the .so alongside your game
I will not be installing spyware or accepting their new ToS

>>395571568

Damn gottem

I used my metacuck-bucks store credits to get pic-related. I needed something, non multiplayer that I could replay over and over that wasn't rhythm shit. Hopefully it's as good as the shills told me.

>>395565534
>he says as vrc prepares to corporatize and become an investor-centric paradise

>>395568023
I actually think I've been fairly charitable to the position that this is a catastrophe, that >>395563402 "Its down more than 50% on PC players."

>>395568426
No reason to be rude. Also keep in mind that they changed their reporting to be more granular starting August, maybe that's why we have these artifacts: >>395564240 >>395564240
I think they are now reporting more than 24 times per day, instead of once per day. Hence they can report lower lows, but not much higher highs, because previously they reported data during already kinda high late EU to early NA hours, which is 4-2 hours before peak time. A problem in this logic would be that we'd need to see higher peaks as well, but then again there's also the people protesting, which could make up the difference.

Look at the past three saturday nights (NA):
Saturday 6th, midnight EST till 03:00 into Sunday: 31k players
Same time on the 30th: 30k
Same time on the 23rd: 35k

Now, remember that EAC was introduced on the 25th, so let's compare last Saturday to the Saturday right before the 25th: 35k versus 31k. Not a big difference, at the very least no "50%" difference.

It'll be interesting to see what the number for that time will be this week.

>>395561607
they're not a public company (yet) but I wonder if the investors are happy

>>395565727
>and want to not get sued into the ground over DMCA shit
imagine them deleting a bunch of content over this
that'll probably go over well

>>395566664
>The club scene
I would love to see the shitstorm if this gets banned
a lot of their recent traffic and interest has been from these sort of events

>>395552762
>when the heathens do not heed the good word of Tux

>>395574784
soon they'll understand and come crawling back

>>395558668
somestupidguy btfo

alternatively

this sucks dick and tupper types in the posts like he's personally responsible for it

>Nooo it's a human right to play other peoples music and take credit for it, I can't make my own music, I'm fucking tone deaf, I need my playlists

neos is almost back to it's pre-incident average
sadge

>>395558668
Do you think Tupper and the gang will stop putting shelter emblems on their avatars and pretending to be big in the DJ scene?

>>395461383
How did you manage that? I have literally called the mods jannies several times and they liked it

>>395558668
so you cant put on youtube videos of music anymore?
are all the movie worlds going to get axed too?

>>395579859
were you under the impression that vrchat was somehow immune to copyright law before?

>>395579859
Soon, can't have worlds where you break copyright anymore.
Watch movies for free while you can chud, soon it will be $10 worth of VRBux to see an movie in the official Cinema map.

wish I could but can't because of how my avatar looks...

>Want to attend friend by friend
>Realize I'll probably skip 70% of the instance
What's the point?

>>395580953
what's the point of you continuing to exist?

>>395580953
you could always explore vrket!

>>395580953
The point is to talk to people you don't usually talk to

>>395580953
If you're only going to talk to your friends skip the event or enjoy sitting in a lobby for hours

everyday until you switch

>>395583572
I'M NOT SWITCHING

>>395583696
Ok Bottom.

>1035
>1721
vrc+ bros...

>>395577426
I mean hey man if you wanna create music to hand over all the rights to it to vrchat for a whopping $0, be my guest. But quite frankly I doubt many will

>>395583572

>>395583696
HE IS NOT SWITCHING!

>>395584939
nice inspect element boot licker

Hi, today's session of Shogi thursday will be at 22:30 CET / 20:30 UTC (~4h from now)
> What is Shôgi?
Shôgi is a strategy board game similar to chess, its main differences are:
- dropping rule: when you capture an opponent piece, you can use it as your own
- promotion: every piece can promote into a pre-defined form
- pieces: some of the pieces have different behaviour from normal chess, some are completely new
Those differences makes Shôgi a much more complex/deep game than chess, but also makes it a bit more freeform in my opinion
> I don't know how to play...
Then it's the perfect occasion to learn, feel free to join and you'll get an introduction to the game. If you want you can also read the rules here: <https://www.shogi.cz/en/rules>
Don't worry about chinese symbols being confusing, the world we'll be playing in have an option for chess symbols

>>395585101
https://steamcharts.com/app/661130

>>395583572
this guy be chimpin

>>395583572
persuasian is my fetish and basically, I'm going to chimp

Found this 2018 soul streamable while sorting my bookmarks
https://streamable.com/sq3ma

>>395554885
That looks like it just might honestly, this is probably going to be more suited to what I need since I'm just trying to combine my body material with my face.

>>395588386
the body language of whoever recorded this is so creepy

>>395588386
Cute!

>>395588386
>missed my change
why bother

>>395583572
can't wait for all you delusional cvr shitters to come crawling back to vrc as the cvr dies slowly back down

lol

>>395592793
what vrc?
it died
so sad

>>395558668
do you have a source or any proof or something? im not going through the TOS. are there vrchat "DJs" on twitter whining about it?

>>395593801
Seems alive to me

>>395594071
soulless zombies
I cry for them
perhaps they can be saved

>>395589419

>>395583572
I already switched nigga-kun

>>395583572
BUT I HATES IT!!!!

>>395595765
ESLBROS