/vrg/ - Virtual Reality General #1653

>>503997930 (OP)
NIGGERS

>won't be allowed to join any more meetups because I didn't give my government ID, fingerprints and semen sample
So long, space cowboys...

Dear shitposters, thread schizos, avatarfags, and anons,

We are thrilled you chose to join us at the Midnight Express for your winter vacation! We request you arrive to your station 11:30 PM EST to secure boarding, with the train departing promptly at 11:59PM EST. This journey promises to amaze you with various exotic locations throughout the world of VRChat!

Start Time Schedule (U.S. Time Zones):
Eastern Standard Time (EST): 11:30 PM
Central Standard Time (CST): 10:30 PM
Mountain Standard Time (MST): 9:30 PM
Pacific Standard Time (PST): 8:30 PM

The Journey:
Prepare to explore a collection of captivating worlds handpicked by our experts! Each stop lasts 30 minutes, immersing you in a new theme. Between worlds, relax aboard the luxurious Midnight Express as we ride the rails for 30 minutes, offering a chance to unwind, connect, and enjoy the onboard amenities.

Onboard Features:
Personal Stewards: Experience first-class service with room stewards available for all your needs.
Shared Cabins: Perfect for mingling with fellow travelers or kicking back in comfort.
Game Room: Dive into fun games, and socialize with fellow passengers.
Restaurant Car: Savor a variety of digital delicacies while taking in the train's scenic views.
This journey will continue all night long, offering endless adventure and entertainment. Pack light, dress for vacation, and prepare for the journey of a lifetime.

We can't wait to see you aboard the Midnight Express!

Warm regards,
The Midnight Express Team

EU anime tonight at 7:30PM UTC we're watching Sengoku Youko ep31, Mecha-ude ep9 and Dandadan ep9

>>503997930 (OP)
all good now
tupper said sorry
haha

i will never give vrchat my ID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nothing screams trustworthy ID verification like a US-based company skating by on shaky legal frameworks cobbled together thanks to some political maneuvering between the EU Commission and the US. The Court of Justice of the European Union has already retroactively torched all prior frameworks, and the current framework is a re-brand of the last failed attempt.

Persona's data protection officer is also conveniently based in Ireland. The country whose data protection agency is notorious for dragging its feet on cases, interpreting the GDPR in ways that businesses love (even when the European Data Protection Board strongly disagrees), and wrapping everything in gag orders to avoid accountability. It's not like Ireland has a reputation for being the weakest link in GDPR enforcement or anything.

If that doesn't fill you with confidence about how your sensitive data will be handled, I don't know what will. No worries about US agencies being able to request your data without notice because the US company is so committed to breaking US surveillance laws for GDPR compliance.

half of vrg mix with other communities which will require verification, so in the end, everyone here is going to have to do it anyway

>>503998429
this is just sea exploration

>>504001284
But with less sea anons so already an improvement

>>504001284
>NOOOOOOOOO
>Yuki does SEA exploration already!!!!!!!!!!!
if Yuki has nothing to do with this thing, which is actively shilled on /vrg/, I'd say this is the better /vrg/ event to be

>>504002097
do you have a vendetta against 4-letter long leaderfags names that start with Y

now that deckard is confirmed in two weeks, what's next for waitchads?

>>503997930 (OP)
>your personal data being sold in dark web
>blame tupper ok

>>504001284
Hi I’m the host. No, I don’t think any world hopping event is the exact same, nor do I think sea explo can monopolize any event involving going to multiple worlds lol. I made this one because I liked the idea of a “sleep over” in vr. And last year I found a cozy train map with working rooms etc, so the idea bloomed. Going to random worlds is just half of the event, I think spending time doing light rp and hanging with friends on the train is just as fun,

>>504002891
>what's next for waitchads?
Disappointment

>>504003796
i HATE hopping worlds just let me sit on the train

EU Assetto Corsa: European Racing club, season 12!
Race 85

19:00 UTC 20:00 CET, Monday 2nd of December 2024.

FUCKING TRUCKING. HELL YEAH. We're taking these FUCKING TRUCKS to america, to Laguna Seca. Drive these 5 tonn, 1000 HP shits around the corkscrew and don't screw around!

1 hour practice
12 minutes qualifiers
8 laps race

After that some relaxing convoy trucking in Scotland.

Assetto - can be played with wheel, controller, or steam-vr-wheel addon, it doesn't matter, we will all have fun driving together. If you just bought Asseto - grab Assetto Corsa Content Manager - a better launcher and mod manager: https://assettocorsa.club/content-manager.html To install mods: just drag and drop zip files from mega onto the Content Manager windows and click on the hamburger menu on top right. Highly recommend installing stable custom shader patch and 7-zip plugin in Content manager.

For communication we'll use mumble at voice.vrg.party port 64738, as it doesn't need any registrations or logins.
https://www.mumble.info/

I can't recomend enough Crew Chief
https://thecrewchief.org/
He's a helpfull AI fellow in the pits who'll provide you information about your car, your opponents, yell at you or try to encourage you. And most importantly, he will spot for you, in case you have a car in you blind spot.

UI radar are immersion breaking and basically cheating, but this guy will tell you verbally if someone is there on your right. Download, install, select Asseto Corsa in game list, press "Start application" and it should work!

MODS: https://mega.nz/folder/viQUiKwJ#USYXpjP1sPo3_Obad4leTA

As the holidays approach, /DinnerCircle/ must continue with its tradition of an annual Thanksgiving leftovers eating in VR meetup! In part 41, we will join a VRChat instance to eat our leftovers from our family's Thanksgivings(if that wasn't obvious), but as with any /DinnerCircle/ you can bring any food as you might have destroyed your relationship with your family due to; politics, emotional damage, assault, sexual assault, rape, murder or other factors not listed. Please feel free to bring any food, like from a frensgiving, or something you've made yourself. Be sure to join us on the Saturday the 30th at 7pm ET! Links will be provided here in the thread.

>>504004213
Technically you can, I don’t mind, but you’d need to rejoin after we remake the train map again after the stop

>>504002891
The realisation that valve will not be able to deliver good lenses, face tracking and working comfortable controllers with decent finger tracking.

Why? Because face tracking was thought of by zucc to sell to stupid wagies and just so happened to be co-opted by vr troons, but will never ever be useful in any video game, so a "gaming" company (which nowadays only sells gambling to kids, a grossly outdated vr headset and skins) won't bother implementing it.
The deckard is doomed from the get-go and waiting for it is delusional.

>>504002671
No but it sounds like you’re dick riding him pretty hard, or just samefagging because something else is vaguely similar to your event

>>504004440
i am happy when people organise events, regardless of who

even low quality events that are just a map and people in themed avatars beat sitting around the stupid tree or bar for the 300th time drinking.

Think of it like a costume party irl. It's just a party, sure, but you're in a costume, you have something to talk about; and the place is decorated accordingly!
With the train shit you get some train rp, you get to choose a carriage with your clique or infiltrate some other, idk, it has potential. Stop being such a negative nancy and be happy people make events; a /vrcg/ (yes vrCg) without events would be a disaster and boring s fuck.

Any interest in some Golf+ tonight?

Surely this ID thing won't affect anyone here. After all, remember that vrg decided to boycott vrchat and move onto alternatives years ago already when they added EAC.
...Right? You did do that?

>>504002097
>>504004440
be nice
>>504003796
ah ok my bad.

>>504003796
I think any exploration host right now would love that any more world hopping is being done. I see it as a net positive. I just did my first one a couple days ago and it was a lot of fun. If there's more flavour to it because it's a more special event that's multifaceted even better. I'm definitely gonna join in on the train, sounds really fun.

>>504006704
Are you saying it's time for another cluster exploration this weekend?

>>504004213
What if we have multiple trains L?

>>504006704
I did. For half a year, roughly. Nobody followed. So I was back again because I missed my friends.
Believe me, I am sad about this.

Don't care. Still verifying.

>>504001220
Sounds like a rando problem. Again.
No randos no problems

>doujins where the loli holds up her ID to the camera before a gangbang are becoming reality

>>504004836
shut up yuki
like... literally shut up

>>504004836
SHUT THE FUCK UP

>>504007009
Last year it was a blast. And I worked SUPER hard on this one. I can’t express how long this shit took. I think it’ll be special.

>>504004836
>i am happy when
let me stop you right there Yuki.
Nobody cares what you say here. Go back to your unity projects, make your garbage low effort maps, do not fix the shit people want you to fix, and just shut the fuck up.
You fon't need to comment on all things /vrg/

/vrg/ is not your brand. It doesn't matter how many SOS pilled logos you make. /vrg/ is not yours. So shut up and fuck off.

>>504006704
I haven't opened VRchat in 3 years.

>>503997930 (OP)
/vrg/ soccer returns for the official /vg/ League 23 Tournament starting TOMORROW!

This Friday, November 29th @ 21:00 UTC/4:00pm EST, /vrg/ will take on /ddg/ (Dragon's Dogma General) in a rematch from last league.

Next Sunday, December 8th @ 21:40 UTC/4:40pm EST, /vrg/ will go up against the gachashitters of /esg/ (Eversoul General)

Finally, on Saturday, December 14th @ 21:00 UTC/4:00pm EST, /vrg/ will be matched against /nepgen/ (Neptunia and Compile Heart General)

VR watches on those nights @ 11:30pm EST except for probably the Sunday one which will be rescheduled to a Friday or Saturday viewing.

>>504004836
no one asked.

>>503998429
This may be the last time I play VRChat if the ID thing goes through so.

>>503998429
When?

>>504013000
why would it even affect you?
it's an opt-in feature for group instances only

I NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED a vr friend but it seems to be impossible to get an actual conversation going in vrchat

>>504013000
Don't worry - if people start trying to force verified instances I will personally come out of leaderfag retirement and put a stop to it. This is a 4chan community, it should be very obvious that we're not going to make people submit their IDs to participate.

>>504013241
what kind of things do you like anon

>>504013398
ALL HAIL THE GREAT LEADERFAG OF /VRG/ WHO WILL SAVE US ALL!
bro really acting like jesus christ out here rising from his grave as if anyone gives a fuck.

>>504013241
I'll be your friend!

>>504013529
I browse /fit/ a lot so I like running and lifting and sports in general (except soccer thats an awful sport and you should be ashamed of liking it), I of course like video games and anime and building dumb stuff in my crappy backyard that I will never use

>>504013671
Thank you, thank you, but the praise isn't really necessary. I don't do it for me. I do it for the people.

>>504013828
normalfag....

>>504014013
>:I I am NOT normal

is loco happening today?

>>504014083
>he even accidentally greentext'd

its OVER

>>504014180
it was to merely emphasise my quirky side you smooth brain

>>504013828
vrc public worlds are basically day care centres for children abandoned by their parents, don't bother with them. try checking out a vrg meet, sometimes advertised here (there's one in 15 minutes) but usually ad-hoc based on people online

>>504014330
anon i....

>>504014449
POST BODY!

>>504013000
>if it goes through
lol. no one with a brain is crying about it. they won't reverse it.

>>504014665
you got it backwards
people without brains aren't crying about it

>>504014893
Crying does nothing. I'm not verifying my age just because I'm too shy to remove children myself.

>>504014893
Nothing you say or do will stop it from coming pedo. This was announced half a year ago and is now being implemented. Cry more

>>504014623
sure

>>504015449
this guy so fucking annoying

>>504015549
i know you love me anon

>>504015449
i love this polish monkey

>>504015704
i love you too anon

>>504015449
Please stop posting every fucking day

Since there's literally nothing going on tonight - TAVR in 30 minutes!

>>503998514
Starting soon https://vrch.at/8sntdsup or join on Pengwyn

>>504016192
TATAATATATATATATA TACTICALLY SHOOTY DAY?!

W-where is Loco?

>britbong failing to host loco because of burger holiday
WE CANT STOP WINNING AMERIBROS

Usual LOCO Thursday host is not available so I've been asked to fill in
LOCO Thursday instance is up!
https://vrch.at/u94b67xu
Or join on Rokk

>>504016881
It's here, blame the 15min captcha and blame all my prepared world candidates being shit

>>504013828
>and building dumb stuff in my crappy backyard that I will never use
Based diychad, Surprised you didn't find anyone to talk to. I'm slapping together dumbest shit every now and then, I know of at least two anons who outperform me in quantity of their dumbass projects, and then many many more who are very much into technology, not to mention vidya and anime. You're really not incompatible at all. Good half of anons around this place are showing varying degrees of social ineptitude, so maybe that's the problem, but you'll break through eventually.

ganbatte

What was going through his mind when he got face scanned in order to play a video game?

>>504018437
"At least I'm not a pedophile"

>>504018437
"That sucked but at least I can get into the instance my friend is in now"

>>504016192
TAVR NOW! Join lobby code
1488

>>504018437
"I subsist on government funding and handouts and my data is of no value to the chinese ad machine. my data is just server bloat for them, and they paid actual money for it"

Any good VR games in the steam sale I should get? Only got bugsnax so far and I must keep consuming!

>>504012074
We could watch the match at tomorrow's EU drinking instance

>>504018437
Probably just whatever the equivalent of tv static is.

>>504018437
With Persona having changed their name after multiple FTC fines for not deleting data when asked to I imagine that he is blissfully unaware and simply duped by the rebranding.

>Destory all enemy target

>>504018437
"Having my identity be sold is a small price to own the chuds."

>>504017397
Coming in 20 minutes Anon!

>>504018437
someone needs to wojak this man
ai is so useless where's the wojak ai algo

>>504024563
reddit is that way sir

great tacticing tacticoolers!

Luckily the third party can be trusted complet-
https://cookcountyrecord.com/stories/665658052-plaintiffs-accuse-persona-identities-inc-an-identity-verification-service-provider-of-illegally-using-personal-data

>>504025968
>article from only 22 days ago
bravo vrchat, great pick.

Hows the metro game? Heard mixed things but seems like a lot of people didn't really have good examples of why.

>>504026108
its kino anon, its great. play it and ignore the retards

EU Contractors tomorrow at 19:00 UTC / 20:00 CET. Game is not actually dead edition.
Sadly I couldn't find any map/loadout with vehicles. This one https://mod.io/g/contractors/m/q-bf3-grandbazaar was said in the comments to have them, but I couldn't find any and it has 5 capture points.
There was also this one https://mod.io/g/contractors/m/arena that seemed like a good meme map to end the list but it's not Groundwar compatible.
Also, none of the custom maps seem to be compatible with the Push mode. It always changes back to a vanilla map when I select that mode.
Maybe we'll have more content available in the coming weeks...

Provisional mod list. If you want anything added/replaced just reply:

https://mod.io/g/contractors/m/q-bo4-nuketown-russia
https://mod.io/g/contractors/m/q-mw19-shoot-house
https://mod.io/g/contractors/m/q-mw2-highrise
https://mod.io/g/contractors/m/q-mw19-scrapyard
https://mod.io/g/contractors/m/q-ghosts-favela
https://mod.io/g/contractors/m/q-waw-downfall
https://mod.io/g/contractors/m/q-waw-roundhouse
https://mod.io/g/contractors/m/q-waw-castle

https://mod.io/g/contractors/m/pmc-casual
https://mod.io/g/contractors/m/gunsmokeandcharmclassic
https://mod.io/g/contractors/m/gsac-ww2-loadout
https://mod.io/g/contractors/m/ninjaclassic1

Gunsmoke and Charm is buggy after every update so follow the following steps
1. Unsubscribe ingame (mods section)
2. Restart
3. Resubscribe ingame again
May or may not require an additional restart after that

>>504026619
the halo map has vehicles. the map is bad though.

>>504026108
All the bugs I heard about seam to have been addressed in recent patch notes

>>504026108
It's LUDO KINO, play it

also TECHNOLOGY

>>504026619
>>shoot-house
I can just feel the thousand yard stare creeping up on me....

>>504004304
Cooking my ass off now. Hopefully to eat some tonight while hanging out in the Y instance. Will have plenty left over for Sat. Biggest pile of food I've ever tried to make all in one day.

I'm happy to have frens in my computer to spend the holiday with

>>503993963 (Cross-thread)
>ask about games
>nobody answers
fine, let's talk about VRChat then

>>504027784
Dunno haven't played it in over a year bru. It's a decent price for the game and there's lots of fun to be had.

>>504027784
anon i didnt see your post.

yeah i wish i had people to play this with since almost nobody from vrg plays it anymore.

>>503998618
The fucker didn't even bring up that the company has been fined before for selling peoples face scans and changed their name afterwards to make them harder to Google.

>>504028324
>Persona not mentioned in the screenshot
>no source
lol

>>504001863
Hey that’s not nice. As a SEA anon I welcome the NAs who usually don’t explore to explore and hopefully have fun in their train world exploration event.

>>504028605
shut up Yuki

>>504028324
>>504028464
>Everalbum rebrands to Paravision AI
https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/11/22225171/ftc-facial-recognition-ever-settled-paravision-privacy-photos
>Paravision work with Persona to make age verification solution
https://fintech.global/2023/11/20/persona-paravision-launch-ethical-age-verification-solution/

https://cookcountyrecord.com/stories/665658052-plaintiffs-accuse-persona-identities-inc-an-identity-verification-service-provider-of-illegally-using-personal-data
https://www.businessofbusiness.com/articles/persona-identity-startup-rick-song-founder-interview/
LOL

>>504008935
>>504009345
Oi that’s not me. I literally just woke up and posted a post or two before now

>>503998618
https://cookcountyrecord.com/stories/665658052-plaintiffs-accuse-persona-identities-inc-an-identity-verification-service-provider-of-illegally-using-personal-data
It pains me to say, but all this shit needs to be spammed on reddit.
How the fuck can you be so incompetent when paying a premium for DigiD would net you easy goodwill?

>>504028464
https://www.ftc.gov/legal-library/browse/cases-proceedings/192-3172-everalbum-inc-matter
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2021/05/ftc-finalizes-settlement-photo-app-developer-related-misuse-facial-recognition-technology

Straight from the FTC. Also
>>504028960
>>504028990
Why do you trust them, much less the VRC devs who are obfuscating this?

>>504028960
>some ai shart company is going to steal all the vrc troons' identities

>>504029009
My bad, seems digid was hacked as well, fml nothing is secure.

>>504029083
i dont trust them, thats why i posted proof that persona work with paravision

>>504029083
>Why do you trust them
I literally posted an article that supports what you said.
Of course I don't trust them.

>>504029281
>>504029196
Sorry, I meant to accuse >>504028464
of riding Paravision's dick.

Of course they're going to sell your data. Do you think they're hiring staff to check IDs, storing the information on servers, paying power bills, and renting space for data storage as a hobby?
Is says right there in their TOS that they protect your data but use it for certain purposes including selling it to other companies for advertising purposes.

Why don't you trust them?

>>504004304
I’ll be there this thanksgiving!

>>504029404
>I meant to accuse >>504028464

It was me. I know nobody would answer if I politely was asking for a source. Thanks for playing along.

>>504029490
they charge the companies using their service money, they shouldnt need to be selling user data

>>504029173
Red states or religious orgs would happily pay for lists of verified users, assuming they were LGBT (likely, given you're playing VRChat) and just out people in public.

I just want VRC but distributed across privately hosted servers. I've had enough!

>>504029576
>why would a company try to make more profit?
Retard.

>>504029576
Yep, luckily no company that says in their ToS and privacy policy that they will sell your data will be so greedy as to want extra money.

>>504026619
did you guys already do the 40k stuff?

>>503993963 (Cross-thread)
I treat every cheating in extract shooters the same. If you played Tarkov in the past you already played Tabor. Needless to say I steered clear of Tabor throughout its life. Tarkov burned me too hard over the past 7ish years of playing it. Extract shooters are fundamentally a dead-end.

>>504030223
We played it twice in 2 sessions. It's balancing was wack by the second time because people were figuring out the meta and personally it just wasn't fun.

>>504029869
BASIS has a lot more chance than lavender at this point anon

>>504030490
fugg. theres no way to tweak the mod to balance it?

>>504019078
No! You fuck I was at work! NO!

>>504030490
Is TF2 still working? I remember that it got taken down but I'm not sure what's happening with it.

>>504032015
I think it does but we haven't played in a while since that around the period of the contractors hacker

>>504029869
>>504030549
Basis is what you want. Join the weekly tests or just spin up your own networked game with it and host it.

https://github.com/dooly123/Basis

>>504032015
what the fuck is that

>>504032201
Give me an installer so my baby brain can handle it

>>504032393
That's Persona ID authentication in action baby

>>504032393
Someone watching TF2 videos in a degenerate game called Hummingbird

>>504032468
It uses unity so literally all you have to do is start up unity, drop in the repo and its ready.

Now you would want to add some custom stuff to it, like an environment and such like you would with content you upload to social vr platforms.
It really is that easy, all the heavy-lifting is done.

>>504032201
>>504030549
buy an ad man

>>504032201
won't mater what features it has. No one will move because VR is still to small.

>>504032201
>>504032974
haha well spoken fellow 4channer!
We all should move over to BASIS and make lot's of happy memories with our friends!

>>504033393
its not a social vr platform... its just a framework/toolkit to make your own standalone networked vr thing and then host it.

No one is going to "switch" to Basis. In fact you wouldnt even know Basis is used, unless the dev puts the logo somewhere.

>>503997930 (OP)
:: /vrg/ Christmas Party - Secrets of Santa 2024 | December 14 ::
What is this?
Come enjoy a comfy christmas party with your fellow /vrg/ anons.
Chat, chill and warm yourselves with the other anon's as everyone gathers round to see all the gifts Santa Anons made for one another.

Beverages, snacks and orderves will be served from our tourism sensitive hosts. In a fully custom map designed for /vrg/.

A new Christmas Carol created by /vrg/ for /vrg/ is also gonna be shown, lovingly crafted by everyone.

At it's climax everyone comes in and welcome's santa on the chair to receive gifts specially made for them.
Fully recorded not just as a 2D image but a 3D HOLOGRAM to capture the magic of opening for years to come.
Non-secret santa participants will be able to have a little token as well.

This year's theme is: Comfy Christmas Village

When?
SEA - is not gonna be here for this year for the first time ever since Secret Santa started ;_;
EU - 19:00 UTC
NA - 10:30 PM EST


EVERYONE in /vrg/ is Invited to come enjoy this merriest of VR tradition 7 years long coming and that includes (You)

SING the vrg christmas song
https://rentry.org/yc4gqewn

>>504034229
is this an sos event?

>>504034432
Yes.

>>504034229
sorry, can not make it because >>504034473

>>504034432
There's a logo on it. Yes it's an sos event. One of the /vrg/ events assembled by the sos brigade that have been done here in /vrg/ for about 7 years now

>>504034648
Yeah, another anon was able to answer in 1 word. But I guess the sos group needed to write long paragraphs about it.

>>504034648
To be exact, half of the sos events don't have logos on them anymore due to some anon's demands as the best compromise we can give.

>>504028248
>wish i had people to play this
hintdrop?

>>504035196

>>504035391
I always wondered why you are here. You are way to nice

>>504035470
lots of nice people in vrg. :)
and i've been on 4ch since mid 2012 and i simply wouldnt have it any other way.

>>504035687
This guy speaks truth. There's a surprising amount of nice posters here in /vrg/

>>504035687
>>504035982
whatever

>>504034229
Still looking for a volunteer Event Santa for EU! please reply here or contact me if interested, thank you!

>>504036159
why are you sad anon?

>>504036179
You murdering Guerilla Santa seemed to have an
effect on other Santas, I'm afraid. I wonder why.
If you only would have released the list. If only...
Oh well. My plan on the other hand progresses wonderfully.

>>504036525
why the fuck is he hungarian

>>504036606
It's AIslop

>>504036525
Kid you're still here it seems. You know I didn't murder Guerilla Santa. We were more than happy to work with him. You'll figure it out once you grow up

>>504036525
Wait, did he say 'other Santas'? What’s happening to them? This is getting way too creepy.

>>504036159
anon, did you want me to say i appreciate your post?

because i love you anon, i appreciate you too. <3

>>504037165
This ‘plan’ of his gives me chills. He’s way too calm for someone making these kinds of threats.

>>504037619
Most likely empty threats. What could a kid possibly do, his balls haven't dropped yet.

>>504037619
>>504037619
I don’t get it. Why didn’t they just release the list? Would it really have been worse than this?

>>504037054
this doesn't excuse him being hungarian

>>504037995
Sounds like he’s blaming the staff for something bigger than just Guerilla Santa’s death. What’s really going on here?

>>504038048
What's wrong with Hungarians?

what is this faggot roleplay? is yuki just talking to himself now?

>>504037887
Did you see what the kid wrote? 'Other Santas'... What does that even mean? Is he threatening more people?

>>504038297
Excuse you. I am having fun with a few other anons christmas incredibles posting right now :3 I really do like this though, it's wholesome

>>504038297
People are overreacting. It’s just some edgy roleplay. No one’s actually in danger.

>>504038310
It's a nothingburger darling, pay it no mind

>>504038297
>>504038475
If it’s roleplay, it’s a pretty messed-up one. But honestly? I think that’s all it is.

>>504038297
The article lays it out plain and simple
this isn’t roleplay. The staff’s decision got Guerilla Santa killed.

>>504038984
This article just turned everything upside down. It’s not just a story!! it’s a scandal!!!!1

>>504036179
An anon has contacted!
We now have an EU event santa!

We're ready and gaming christmas VR gamers
Both EU and NA now are set

>>504038475
>>504038310
>>504038735
for a moment i thought there were genuine threats being posted until i looked at the posts

>>504039213
Oh my, who could the missing secret santa be?
I hope it isn't a mole. Now that would certainly "explode" the whole party, wouldn't it?
Merry christmas to you. All went according to plan.

>>504039330
that's right, no need to worry. Have a cheerful christmas.

>>504039330
A few threads back it was started. It's much funnier with those initial context. Lemme see if i can find it for you here >>502749709 (Cross-thread)

then as a collage pic related

>>504039958
>>504039213
If he has someone on the inside, we’re all vulnerable. Who knows what he’s planning to do with that information?

>>504040152
kek okay, everything is good then. :3
i love my anons.

>>504039958
>>504039213
>>504040314
This whole event is compromised. I wouldn’t trust anyone now! not with a mole involved!

>>504040383
It’s all made up, just some kid trying to scare people for attention. There’s no way it’s real. Calm down.

>>504028990

I legit hope that this faggoty gay arg stuff leads somewhere. Don't tell me what happens, Y. I wanna see it for myself but it better be good.

>>504041008
tupper would never lie through his teeth, no sir!

>>504041008
he is technically not lying, if you take what he said as 100% what he meant.
there is no recorded fine - true
the GDPR - CCPA records are clean - true (for now)

>>504036525
Gorilla Santa got himself killed!!

>>504043526
I think so to! Nobody asked for his help! He was running into dangerous territory with little to know backing!

>>504043526
>Gorilla Santa

Any interest in NA Contractors tomorrow night using a similar mod list to what the EUs are using in >>504026619?
I don't mind hosting as long as people would actually show up for it.

Is anyone hosting a Thanksgiving instance this year?

>>504045916
I'm willing to try. How far in advance do you need to do all the mod.io subscription and download shit to get everything working?

>>503997930 (OP)
Anons... I'm at the end of my rope, I can't for the life of me figure out what's wrong with my PC, or whether the Quest 2 is just that bad of a headset.
I'm running an RTX 3070 and a Ryzen 3700x, 16GB of Ram, High end Gen 3 NVME SSD and yet, I get awful frame times in every single VR game. I can't even run Morrowind VR without awful jello like motion in my games.
I've tried a new USB C cable, I've tried Oculus Killer, I've tried making sure super sampling is off, I'm running out of things to try.
Everywhere I look I'm told my hardware should be enough but I can't figure out what is possible so wrong with my PC that it runs so completely awfully.

Anyone have any ideas on what it could be? This is the Quest 2 in the 90hz mode.

>>504047528
Yeah, I'll be putting one up tonight in the next few hours. Undecided on when exactly I want to start.

>>504048052
damn, uuuuhh memtest? fresh install maybe? do you have xmp turned on? idk someone else help me out here
do you have like 100 chrome tabs open and refusing to close them?

>>504048459
Is this Y or someone from the nigger discord

>>504026619
Need this mod to play

>>504048932
Usually I have nothing else open when it comes to VR. No browser, nothing.

>>504049115
basically just have your overlay open

>>504049214
sheesh yea, im stumped. im zooted out my mind so im not the best for help. i hope you figure it out anon, it def cant be your specs tho thats more than enough for actual vr gaming

>>504049110

>>504049454
Dude, the worst part is, it's been like this for like 3-ish years. But every time I think I've gotten to the bottom of it, it just slows down to a crawl, you'd be shocked looking at the frame time graphs, basically goes from green to a sea of red.

>>504049667
i feel like i could fix it if i could literally see what u do but im not taking it there.

>>504041831

>>504049790
Nothing out of the ordinary, this has happened on multiple OS(es?) too, this is a fresh install of Windows 11 Education, exact same issue on Windows 10, Enterprise and Education.
I'm running out of things to blame as even an incredibly stripped down system still lags to shit, might just bite the bullet when I have the money and get a used 3090 as I've been getting VRAM raped in 2D, wouldn't surprise me if it caused half my issues in 3D.

>>504050860
>Nothing out of the ordinary, this has happened on multiple OS(es?)
didnt try loonix yet did you?
>might just bite the bullet when I have the money and get a used 3090
maybe, my used 3090 has been serving me perfectly, hope you can snag one for <$800

>>504051140
Tried, but I couldn't be arsed learning ALVR wired as my router is 3 floors below me and normal steam link is currently impossible, I basically have wired and that's it.
I could unplug everything connected by USB, except my mouse maybe and give that a try.

>>504047667
You don't need to do it in advance, but it'll hold the lobby up until everyone finishes downloading the current map from what I remember.

>>504052593
yea maybe try it
>as my router is 3 floors below me
do you live in a fucking mansion? just get a fucking wireless access point and put it in your closet

is there a fix for this?
why is steam link so much darker?

>>504048052
Since it doesn't seem to be an OS problem from the other posts you've made, you could completely reset your BIOS settings and retest without doing anything besides enabling XMP to make sure it's not some settings issue there.
I doubt it's USB bandwidth since I wouldn't think that'd effect frametimes, just bitrate.
If you have a spare router laying around or can grab a cheap one, you could test Steam Link over that.
You could also run fpsVR to generate a report like I've seen >>503370026 (Cross-thread) do a few times and see if that catches the bottleneck better than what you're testing with now.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/908520/fpsVR/

>>504053904
the fix is to use Virtual Desktop

>>504052784
Worse, an HMO, funnily enough I disconnected my DAC as there have been a few warnings about USB resources regarding it, did a T&H run in H3 and... It ran far better, want to try project wingman now to see if the trend continues. If it does I can't believe my DAC was responsible for it this entire time.

>>504054603
Funnily enough, read
>>504059154
It may actually be USB bandwidth, though I'm going to test it more.

>>504059606
Huh, doesn't make sense to me that'd cause frametime issues on the game side, but I'm not used to the official Link software.
Hopefully that does actually fix it.

What is the hole above the topmost button?

>>504063045
status indicator light/LED?

>>504063045
It's a little speaker like the wii remote so you can hear anime moans when you play vrchat

>>504001220
we need /vrg/ verification
something like your avatar must have the words nigger, faggot , and hitler did nothing wrong on it.

>>504063045
clitoris

>>504063045
microphone for karaoke

>>504053904
>>504055513
VD is actually pretty garbage too, though not as bad as Steamlink.
Airlink is unironically the only that does it right.
You have to adjust the gamma to about 1.20 in VD to get the same amount of detail in the darks as in Airlink, and at that point everything else is blown to hell.

>>504063674
VD introduces latency though

>>504063449
Nah too many normies and randos do that these days.
A better verification is if they know how to use the website. And as a VIP bonus if they have created OC before and posted it.

>>503992990 (Cross-thread)
I'm making a statement! With my wallet!

>>504063238
That's what I'd assume since the Index controllers have that too.

>>504018437
"I can finally play vrchat without obnoxious squeakers"

>>504032720
the vr game for people who watch too much cocomelon

hello the yearly Thanksgiving instance is up

https://vrch.at/pmen5a0z

there is a /vrg/ adjacent instance already up that a bunch of people are in so if I don't really get anyone joining mine I'll probably bounce and do something else.
Have a happy thanksgiving!

>>504066273
Have a fun thanksgiving NA turkey poster

>>504066273
nope we're staying in our comfy instance where racism is not okay and trans rights are human rights.

Kicked from the instance?

indigenous

>>504068370
>>504068782
pathetic rando lovers. you dont belong here

>>504068782
no nazis aloud chud!

happy thanksgiving, friends

>>504068370

>>504069958
fuck off randos. this is vrg not a discord

>>504069140
muh sekrit club

>>504069958
discord won

>>504070231
unironically you troon freaks who kick vrg dont belong here

>>504066273
real /vrg/ hours are bringing

>>504070620
so ryder "anyone i dont personally know is a rando"?

guys im sorry. i accidentally joined some other instance on the same map and got kicked by beef since he doesnt like me, not kicked by ryder or someone in the actual instance

two instances in the same map with a bunch of overlap in the friendgroup confused me

>>504071098
why are you mentioning me you retard. Im just chilling ,drinking some. I havent kicked anyone

>>504071098
It's not ryder, it's me!
I won't kick anybody.

Cant join because still drinking with real people rip

Cant join because im scared of people

>>504073659
it's a small gathering and im not scary at all

>>504073341
but I'm real too

>>504073659
I am very quiet and ill fitting for group settings.

>>504073920
>im not scary at all

>>504076310
Take a pic with me on a bed then if you're, no lewd though just cute and wolesome.

could someone link me the vrc world where you take those pictures with multiple avatar angles pls, thanks :3

>>504077498
Here you go
https://vrchat.com/home/world/wrld_96460268-8c89-438f-b8f2-2ea2f1ed1ce7/info

>>504045916
Since I managed to talk at least a couple people into playing in VRC, going to try NA Contractors tonight at 9PM ET.
If we don't get enough people for PvP, we'll try some CoD Zombies maps if those still work.
Go ahead and grab the maps from the EU list (>>504026619) since I'll be trying to use whichever of those end up working.

>>504083404
yes, CoDZ still works.

>>504083404
timezones are hard, how many hours away is this? I'd love to join and do some fps gaming

>>504083404
Here are some tips for chosing mods:
PMC Casual and GSAC Classic/WW2 (careful, there is another one with only Grenade Launchers) are decent vanilla replacement loadouts.
Ninja Classic allows playing Ninja in Groundwar lobbies.
PMC (Stable, not Casual) turns the game into a pseudo-milsim: you are way slower, teamkilling without team markers, you have to cure your injuries. I personally hate it but some people might be into that.
Endless War (the WW1 loadout) has great melee with collisions and weight.
TFVR is great, it's basically TF2 just missing the Spy. The. maps that support it have Payload mode. Take into account that a TF2 match will last longer than a regular match.
Warhammer 40K, Halo, Lego Star Wars, and Clone Wars are decent for variety.
I haven't tried the CoD loadouts so I don't know about those.
Most maps by Cold_of_Duty are great.
Avoid really small maps like Rust or Shipment (unless it's a small lobby) or too big (Battlefield/Battlefront ports).
Groundwar doesn't support TDM because there is a trick for that. If you select CSGO McDonalds https://mod.io/g/contractors/m/q-csgo-mcdonalds it will switch to TDM and after that you can switch to any map keeping that mode. I haven't tested if this has been fixed after the last update tho.
If you are going to be 10 or less just make a Casual lobby instead of a Groundwar one because it has more modes and maps available.
At this point, every mod is Quest-compatible, so it doesn't matter whether you make the lobby cross-compatible or PC-only

>>504052780
You don't need everyone to be done with downloading the map to start the game. They'll just automatically join when they have finished downloading it.

>>504085121
>>504083404
Forgot the most important one: if you select a custom map while in a Groundwar lobby and you get a warning about it not being Groundwar compatible, just ignore it. It will play without issues, that just means the maker didn't mark it as compatible.

anyone know if I can just delete this folder without issue?
I assume it's just a cache and it doesn't matter apart from load speeds

>>504085510
There's no point deleting it because it will fill within 20 minutes.

>>504085558
optimization bros...
where did it all go wrong....

>>504085510
>>504085558
If you wanna save disk size you gotta shrink the cache in the VRC config json. I don't recommend doing this at all, in fact I recommend doing the exact opposite and increasing it. Mine is at 100GB.

>>504085616
>where did it all go wrong....
Modular avatar and unity-only tools.

>>504085676
no... I don't think I will

>>504085737
its black friday, just go buy more storage lol

>>504085737
Stop being poor and get a 2TB SSD for black friday

>>504085769
>>504085782
and help blacks? I don't think so

>>504085945
black friday isn't actually about niggers anon

>>504084091
>>504085121
>>504085331
Thanks for the info, I'll double check mod stuff after work tomorrow.
>>504084119
About 18 hours from now

>>504063867

How about this one; you're not some kind of retard who'd get their face scanned to play a game

>>504085737
4tb ssds are on sale for sub $250, it's time to upgrade anon

there needs to be a watchdogs-esque app that scrapes other user's face scan for VRchat and lets you show other ppl in the instance what the anime girl looks like irl

oooh
or if you had a mimic avatar, that whenever someone looks at you, they see their own irl face

>>504089440
Vrc never sees the face, they only see your dob. the persona company, known for selling user data gets that instead

>>504085510
wrong folder.
the one you want to delete is C:\Windows\System32

>>504089627
if the data is for sale maybe that would make it even easier to make something like this

>>504090509
erm bro?

Hello.
Reminder that there'll be an instance hosted at 21:00 CET for people to come and hang out in VRC. That's in about 10 hours and 20 minutes.

>>504091670
EUs getting on early? No way

>>504091670
EUs aren't even out of bed yet

Give thanks this Saturday at /vrg/ wrestling. Royal Rumble returns for Season 3:2 Thanksgiving Special. Event will start at 11:59 PM EST/ 8:59 PM PST. Link will be posted about 10mins before starting. Come drink and bet on your Friends or Enemies.

>>504091670
I'll be there, Anon!

>>504092724
>anon saved my image with the same filename
chu~

>>504091941
There is an attempt being made.
Although I sometimes think about pushing it back to 22:00 CET as 90% of people still don't get on until roughly that time.

>>504092878
If you push it to 22:00 people will roughly get on at 23

>>504092878
22:00 is after contractors so you get an extra 8-10 ppl at thst time.

>people only ever want to get on for alcohol hours
I sleep

>>504092862
why are you so proud of a 49KB jpg with a horrible compression
do better

>>504094492
Hosted something during the day that isn't a fucking movie then.

>>504034229
https://rentry.org/yc4gqewn
Recorders are ready for you and your dulcet tones. Keep an eye out for them in game and politely ask if they're free to record you. Cut off to be recorded is 1200 UTC December 8th.
SEA Recorders: moistbobo, Noxsea
EU Recorders: Orenji, Uzugu, Karkeys (unavailable till the 2nd)
NA Recorders: DJ Desu, Mentlesaur
I ask that you please sing the parts marked [Everybody Sings]. If you could also sing at least one verse that'd be grand. Those that are feeling extra melodious can try their hand at submitting the whole song.
You can also chose to submit your own mp3 voice recording with a different mic, link up with a recorder for the video portion, then send the sound clip their way. No need for this it can all be done in game to keep things simple.
Always looking for more volunteers, if you can work OBS and think a particular group/timezone isn't covered by our crew please step forward.
Comments, queries, concerns and complaints to Karkeys, though it may be difficult to address until the 2nd of December.

>>504094891
I don't watch movies in vr :)

>>504092878
euros that get on that early are the same people that will play their ritual fps slop instead of hanging and euros that want to hang with vrg wont get on before real meet starts anyway

>>504095905
What constitutes the "real meet"?

>>504095905
Wow look at you already disparaging the meet announced on the thread is "not the real meet". hint, both announced and an announced meets are valid. Don't insult meets that are posted on the thread. They are the closest to /vrg/ meets one can get.

>>504096187
Dude don't even respond if someone uses 'slop' unironically. It's VR games that are enjoyable to play in the VR thread. If you don't like this my man you are in the wrong place.

>>504091670
Are we gonna watch footie there? >>504012074

>>504096246
I feel like if I don't fight back with a quick retort to such insistence their statement becomes truth when unchallenged. I won't chain reply at least, but I think it's important to at least give a quick remark on it.

>>504096287
I can see if it's possible.

>>504096371
I kneel...

>>504095905
This is the truth, no matter what anyone say.

>>504091998
not every eu is a neet ive been awake since 4 am cet

>>504095905
>You arent allowed to play vr games in vr community!!!
>You have to come and drink yourself dead in vrchat instead!!!

Fuck you, Ill do both

I'm tired, boss.

If you know you know

>why yes, i'm over the age of 18
>no, i won't tell you my birthday, talk over mic, or take a bullshit pop quiz to enter your groomer instance that you let underage girls into anyway
>no thanks, i'll just go to karaoke

>>504103620

>>504103620
>I didn't know about Paravision
>oh and DUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHHH we paid close attention and chose blablabla

How do you make a very poor avatar that looks like this?

No it's not functional, just a video

"What sexuality flag is this?"

>>504105498
Subdivision and material count

This world was fun for a few minutes even if it's just shadowcasting

>>504085973
sinon my wife!

>>504105941
shadow puppet show please.

>>504105498
sasuga japanese

>>504106552
as if we don't get enough shadow puppet show in this thread all the time

>>504026619
Reminder for Contractors in 5 hours

Any NAs doing some drunk school shooting tonight?

Vox is on sale both on Steam and Quest so let's do this.
Vox Machinae lobby, tomorrow at 19:00 GMT.

>>504110656
is this the return, voxxies?!

Would you wear your headset on the waterslide?

>>504115967
My Index? Yes.

>>504110656
What map is this?

>>504116197
It's not a VRC map it's a game, anon. They make games for VR.

>>504085510
>tmpfs /home/USER/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/438100/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/AppData/LocalLow/VRChat/VRChat/Cache-WindowsPlayer tmpfs size=30G,uid=USER,gid=USER,mode=755,nosuid,noatime,nodev 0 0
>tmpfs /home/USER/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/compatdata/438100/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/AppData/LocalLow/VRChat/VRChat/TextureCache-WindowsPlayer tmpfs size=1G,uid=USER,gid=USER,mode=755,nosuid,noatime,nodev 0 0
heh, nothing personnel vrchat

>>504104171
you love to see it

>>504103620
Fuck you for making me write this out:
VRChat can control as much as they want. The "how it is used" written by Tuptup is a red hering.
The Persona TOS clearly state they will share the data with their partners. Partly because they must, if they want to provide their service.

Also the problem is not Persona alone.
Persona is partnered with Paravision for their age verification. Persona states in their TOS that they will share your data (should you use them) with their partners (one of them being Paravision).
Paravision does not claim to be GDPR compliant, nor do they specify any way in which they might be. Once your data is in their hands, you likely have little recourse in taking it back.
https://www.paravision.ai/privacy-policy/

The big red flag is:
1.) Persona is currently getting sued for misusing data for purposes they didn't disclaim (or something like this)
2.) the partner company was sued for kind of the same thing, prior to their rebrand. Back then they were called "Everalbum"

The outcome to the cases is largely irrelevant (Everalbum settled, meaning no fine and no legal decision, and Personas case apperantly will be dismissed because it's frivolous or something).
The reason why the outcome is irrelevant is because the case is not about whether or not they did this. It's about if they broke laws with it.
If a company like Persona/Paravision/Everalbum wins such a case, it doesn't mean the data wasn’t used or even exploited. It means the court found the usage either did not violate the explicit terms of the law or lacked sufficient evidence of a violation.
They still did exactly what they were sued for though.

Whats the problem, do you have something to hide?

>>504118532
Of course I have things to hide. So do you, otherwise you would post under your real name.

For example I want to hide my identity, my face, my date of birth.
Anything they need to know is a rather binary "Are you an adult? Yes/No". I am absolutely willing to share that much, but nothing more.

>>504118532
Silicon valley wants to know if you've said nigger.

>>504119042
oh no they're gonna but me on the nigger list

>>504119089
I didn't' know you were so worthless, I'm sorry anon.

>>504119002
Hey, you should not be afraid if you havent done anything illegal ;)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=l3cZ8IR1zPc
If you go to the PSVR2 improvement section, it seems Sony has made their own equivalent to Time Warp using something like DLSS( or their PSSR)
>"Well it turns out what we're looking at is effectively Sony's take on Asynchronous Space Warp.... Unlike Time Warp, Space Warp applies to animation, camera, and head translation. Think about it like frame generation but geared towards VR. The game generates new frames based on prediction.There's not much information available about it. Are they using frame generation? Is it even possible on a base PS5?"

I don't mind completing the Age Verification because I am not a pedophile. Those of you complaining are outting yourselves.

retard

High chance someone without the 18+ badge is a predator.
Hope we, as the vrg community, will also self regulate and make the 18+ badge mandatory to attend our events.

I for one want all events and meetups to be 18+. Failure to do so as a community who kicks minors anyways would give only ammo to certain schizos here. It would mean they are right.
This is the one chance we have to show the schizos, as well as other people in vrchat, that we are not a pedo infested community.
Let's make some amazing memories together in 18+ instances

I'm going to age verify and groom kids outside of 18+ instances and everyone will suspect anyone unverified. Thanks for making it so easy.

Shut the fuck up yuki

>not recognizing obvious bait posting/falseflagging even when hes not pretending to be a poor mans yuki

>>504121161
If you think that's yuki you're probably brain damaged enough to get age verified for a videogame

The verification is a good first stwp into the right direction, but it simply shows, that vrchat still is caught lacking in the child safety departement.
To effectively stand a chance against grooming and racism, we simply need more tools. A "real name" policy would help. For too long, our children and protected groups were easily harassed by users with fantasy names, this cannot continue. Virtual reality does not absolve you from real accountability

>>504120279
How does verifying your age stops you from interacting with kids?

now pedos can say "I thought they were 18" with actual proof. good job VRC!!!

>>504121732
I don't think real name goes far enough but it is another step in the right direction. It doesn't have to be like super obvious it can just be in your profile tucked away. This would also aid VRC in adding tools just like roblox has. Tox-mod like moderation would allow governments to immediately respond to incidents of child abuse, as they could receive automatic alerts to indecent child interaction along with the user's real name, keeping children safe. It would be useful in other cases, such as in cases of hate speech.
Users of this site should know this intuitively how harmful allowing users to spread hateful messages and abuse.

>>504120771
Trying too hard

>>504123386
made you reply

>>504002891
Buying a BSB because I'm not buying a headset with controllers tracked by inside out headset cameras

>>504127229
you realize base stations are inside out tracking right? also
>buying a bigmeme
what a waste of money, dogshit headset

>>504127448
I'll fucking turn you inside out with my dick faggot. But seriously what the fuck else am I gonna buy at this point?

>>504083404
sad ill be at work during this, hate night shifts

>>504004392
>tracking was thought of by zucc
hmm

>>504127680
does your current headset still function?
if so, then nothing. if not then quest 3 or psvr2, depending if you want wireless or a better headset

>>504128105
Using index but I wanted something lighter to use and not have to deal with constantly recalibrating my trackers (Quest). I also can't really justify Quest 3 for $500 as silly as that sounds spending $1k on a wired PCVR headset.

>>504063045
Lighthouse sensor with light direction detection

>>504129271
no wireless headset is lighter than the index anyway, once you add a tracker (NEEDED for hybrid tracking) and a powerbank, but you could have that in your pocket with a longer cable.

anything planned for tonight?

>>504130218
misery

>>504130218
Contractors soon

>>504130218
>>504091670

>>504130218
mahjong in 8 hours

>>504130218
secret club mahjong in 7.5 hours

>>504026619
Contractors now
Join Omega
Password: 1337

>>504091670
Will be there!

Meta Quest 3 for $500 + $75 Best Buy gift.
Is this worth it? I was hoping for sales but there's nothing.

>>504137151
300 ping contractors? this can only go well

Is Soul Covenant any good?

>>504138710
Fun but repetitive. Worth if on sale for coop but absolutely not worth full price.

>>504139257
It's half off on Steam right now so I guess it's worth it at that price.
Thanks anon.

>>504139489
That's fair price. Feel free to announce lobby, public multiplayer is somewhat dead.

Cute anime girl skin in Contractors!

Show us your drivers license goyim
https://www.uploadvr.com/vrchat-age-verification-announced/

>>504142157

>>504141168
>Shoot house the one day I can't play
Kuyashii

>>504091670
Instance is up
https://vrch.at/v4d39tkf

>>504130218
im gonna fuck with people's hormones on vrc with a voice changer

>>504137151
>Game is even more broken after the update
It's Contractover

>>504146689
Not like we expected anything else, it always takes a few updates to fix any major update

>>504146689
It wasn't broken last week.

>>504137151
i had fun with good games with my gaming gamers :D

is contractors still going?

>>504147118
Nope. EU servers were laggy as fuck and some people were crashing.

>>504147118
the 2hr eu game lobby curse has never been broken

>>504147223
>>504147225
just as i finished downloading...

>>504147225
Pavlov exceeds 2 hours sometimes.

>>504012074
Running about 25mins late
/vrg/ plays the match after this one.
Link will be live here: https://cytube.implying.fun/c/vgleague

>>504083404
wait how do I even install mods with mod.io I only use workshop and mod managers

>>504150631
Login with Steam into mod.io or just use the ingame mod browser.

mods? thats a shure way to get hacked

>>504048052
>USB C cable
amd is known for bad USB controllers, get an external usb-c card or something

/vrg/ vs /ddg/ (Dragon's Dogma General) coming up next in FOOTBALL

https://cytube.implying.fun/c/vgleague
https://cytube.implying.fun/c/vgleague
https://cytube.implying.fun/c/vgleague

Come on out to support the team!
NA VR watch @ 11:30pm EST tonight

>>504048052
check your temperatures on your cpu and gpu. if you havent changed the thermal paste in like 4 years (which would be the age of your ryzen) that probably does it.

https://rentry.org/yc4gqewn
Friendly reminder!
Recorders are ready for you and your dulcet tones. Keep an eye out for them in game and politely ask if they're free to record you. Cut off to be recorded is 1200 UTC December 8th.

SEA Recorders: moistbobo, Noxsea
EU Recorders: Orenji, Uzugu, Karkeys (unavailable till the 2nd)
NA Recorders: DJ Desu, Mentlesaur

I ask that you please sing the parts marked [Everybody Sings]. If you could also sing at least one verse that'd be grand. Those that are feeling extra melodious can try their hand at submitting the whole song.

You can also chose to submit your own mp3 voice recording with a different mic, link up with a recorder for the video portion, then send the sound clip their way. No need for this it can all be done in game to keep things simple.
Always looking for more volunteers, if you can work OBS and think a particular group/timezone isn't covered by our crew please step forward.

Comments, queries, concerns and complaints to Karkeys, though it may be difficult to address until the 2nd of December.

CUM ON /vrg/

>>504155069
this isn't football

OOPS I FORGOT
TONIGHT IS BOOTH BAN FRIDAY
UHH LIKE 8PM PST

__________________________________
ATTENTION GRABBING REDDITSPACE
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We're gonna start off in prism's avatar search world because it has a random avatar button so everyone can find some random funny avatar to hang out in, then we'll hang out for an hour or two chillin and then everyone can decide to stay or go to your standard jason/haloboy/whatever instance for the night

Got a Quest 3 and it has a dead pixel directly in the middle. Fucking piece of shit. Apparently people had to go through 4+ to get a good one. What's even the point? I may as well just return it and give up.

>>504153372
Fuck that stupid dragon! I've been waiting for this since 2018!

So... what now? Are we just waiting for the kid to make his next move? Feels like the calm before the storm.

>>504159683
What if the kid’s already done something, and we just haven’t seen it yet? This silence is killing me.

The staff have to make a move soon, right? They can’t just let the kid run circles around them.

>try standalone game (batman)
>looks like a 720p vaseline smeared jaggy no aa piece of shit
do people really

>>504160230
questies dont know any better please don't let them know

>>504083404
Reminder that there's an NA Contractors lobby at 9PM ET (in about 3 hours). If you don't already have it and want to try it out, the game is on sale on Steam right now.
In addition to the mods from the EU list, grab these so we have a couple small maps and Zombies to fall back to:
https://mod.io/g/contractors/m/q-mw19-shipment
https://mod.io/g/contractors/m/q-mw19-rust
https://mod.io/g/contractors/m/kino
https://mod.io/g/contractors/m/q-codz-waw-nacht-der-untoten
>>504146689
>>504147223
Hopefully the NA servers are fine, otherwise might be a short attempt tonight.
>>504127897
If we get a decent turnout tonight, I'll try to host more.

Any Meta Quest 3 deals now?

Is there a Quest 3 FBT setup guide for complete fucking morons. I cannot get steam VR to detect the bluetooth and I'm trying to figure out the step-by-step.

>>504163217
do you have a bluetooth adapter or bluetooth enabled in your motherboard or bluetooth enabled in windows?

so are we just allowing affeo now?

>>504163583
Age verified so yeah?

>>504163583
complain to the instance creator, not the thread.
i dont think he knows that affeo is still underage

>>504163583
What they do?

>>504163304
Yes I do. Here's a dumb fucking question. Am I supposed to be setting up the base stations/everything through the quest 3? I'm trying to set it up through desktop first without the headset active. Does steam VR need to recognize a HMD device during the process? Do I need space calibrator running first?

>tfw have over a thousand dollars of equipment but I never found a good tutorial/discordtroon group to guide me through this.

>>504163583
You're asking the same thread that was just complaining about age verification being added. What do you think?

>>504163757
im gonna be honest with you, i have no clue. i used to use an index so it was plug and play.
but i assume that it does need a VR headset to be connected for SteamVR to function properly

>>504164075
Yeah I figure I need to do the setup through the headset.

seems like video i upload doesn't work anymore on video players and i played them fine a couple weeks ago, did vrchat messed up with the video player again?

>>504163705
I have it on good authority they're 18 now and to my knowledge they didn't do an Ironheart or a u-511 or whatever where they tried to solicit adults for erp while being underage.
But as you said if someone has an issue they'd like to bring up they should come say it to me instead of being silently upset that a votekick they didn't even initiate didn't go through.

What is the AllParts layer in every fx controller used for?

>>504164513
>I have it on good authority they're 18 now
How so?

>>504164513
but i explicitly remember them being in trash meets like three years ago

>>504165074
Someone I trusted not to be retarded and who I asked about this before.
Although in the process of replying to you someone else I trust has come up and gave me some information and they've since been kicked. The former person I just took at their word whereas the latter person gave me some evidence.
Going forward if you have an issue please just say it to me instead of complaining in thread.

This is why vrg instances need to be 18+ Age Verified.

>>504166491
True. Only the tranny groomer crew in here will disagree.

Anyone else who can't get SteamVR to work after update?
Quest 3 and continous calibration btw.

>>504163217
what bluetooth?

>>504167008
The bluetooth signal it's supposed to be detecting from the base station I imagine? Is there something specific I'm supposed to do to get that to work? I'm trying to setup the basestations through the PC itself.

>>504166491
Imagine coming to a general to play a game with 4channers and you're met with having to send your ID to some shady company to play with us.
The ultimate newfag deterrent.

We won't be doing this.

>age verification

Just another step to VRChat's continued downfall.lmao

Oh they're also running out of money like crazy, expect more layoffs and upload restrictions soon. They tried to mitigate it with file size uploads this year. You think they cared about performance? No, it was to reduce server costs.

>>504160230
And yet it still looks better than most other VR games just by virtue of having actual artists rather than being asset store colour swap.

>>504167563
so what is the problem with age verification?

>>504167563
Take your meds jelliot.

>>504167563
>Inb4 cucks arguing in favor of removing features because of muh unoptimized avatars

>>504167956
its likely a deal that vrchat is taking where they sell player data to this ID verification service who will then sell it to advertisers.
you are the product, anon.

>>504167847
good assets don't help with looking like a low res phone game
standalone games are hopeless

>>504167956
I'm all for making tranny groomers seethe, but the company VRChat chose has had so many breaches it's guaranteed that your ID will be passed around the internet more than your mother was IRL

>>504167396
there is no bluetooth

>>504168516
>>504167563
Optimize your damn avatars.

>>504170732
jokes on them im bored of vrc and will stop using it for almost any reason

>>504169515
not that guy but I still played through it despite being standalone because it was a fun/good game.
yea, it nagged at me the whole time that it would be 1000% better even over wireless pcvr.

>got an email saying the fbt body trackers have shipped
soon
I can't wait
please don't get stolen in the mail like the first headset I bought was

>>504160230
Supposedly plays fine with the resolution bumped up a bit according to some anon that was talking about it around launch, although that's not something you should have to do on your own.
I think the drawback was that it burns through the battery even faster, but that's what battery banks are for.

Finally the push I need to stop being faggot in VRChat. I now start my VR gaming arc, what are some good VR games?
>most new releases are quest only
Guess I’ll get a job?

does anyone know if the halo ce vr mod that just came is compatible with other mods?

>>504173752
the guide thingy i read on discord said to install Chimera with it, I tried but I think i did something incorrect for Chimera so I'm not sure if it worked or not. Game runs fine for me either way with very little weirdness.
I dunno what you have to install to get a treadmill working though but it probably wouldn't affect visuals at all? mileage may vary

>>504120771
lmao I like how the other anon instantly knew it was not real. Here’s a (You ) for your troubles anon, good try

>>504174434
shut up yuki

>>504173656
Almost everything is multiplat nowadays, anon.

Do you think that leaked roy controller models omitted details in the model like some controllers models do? Like the ring on some WMR headsets are not modeled in the overlay. If this is true, do you think the roy's actually have rings? or have some sort of camera tracking inside the controller?

tfw valve will never put a ring on my finger(tracking)

>>504175116
There was earlier version in the leak with ring and it's very obviously a normal inside out controller like Quest or HTC Focus.

>>504173656
Basically yeah. You need a quest to experience most of the new VR games

i hope deckard has an optional displayport connection
I love wireless but Q3 is my first headset and I've still never seen "real" VR
considering buying a pimax but decakrd in 2 weeks holding me back

>>504175937
it would be incredibly dumb of them to not support native pcvr in some way considering that is where their entire ecosystem is currently

>>504110656
>19:00 GMT
Noo I won't be home for the annual Vox lobby

>>504157146
I dont want to go to a shithole instance afterwards though.

>>504157146
>>504178824
dontworry theres divegrass at 830

>wanting a leashed sparklefest
>when you've got wifi7 foveated encoded wireless already

>>504178378
I'll keep alternating Vox and Iron Rebellion every week until end of year, don't worry anon.

>>504179340
I just want the option for driving/rhythm games
also just to see the differences
I'm happy with wireless, but how do I know if I'm a compressionlet if I have nothing to compare it to?
I also really like passthrough and would miss it if I switch to a different headset

>>504179340
I can't wait to spend at least $300-500 for a good wifi7 router upgrade and replace my current router just to have a an experience worse than wigig from half a decade ago!
also can't wait to swap out batteries fevery 2 hours!
but who am I kidding, people never use VR for longer than 2 hours anyway, right?

>>504179682
>passthrough
all the standalone slop has passthrough because they use those same cameras to track

>>504176562
they're probably doing their darndest to support both standalone mobile phone tier slop as well as pcvr tech demo slop via translation layers

>>504175116
no, their master blend file was included and the revisions prior to ev1 were the only ones with rings still (they basically iterated them out of existence just like Oculus/Meta)

>>504179992
yea zucc has seen me pee and is intimately aware of not only my wiener dimensions but my bedroom and all the illicit stuff in it
but me and zucc are friends, he would never harm me :^)

>>504179682
>i'm happy already but i just want to potentially ruin it for myself!
There is basically no difference.

>>504179907
>also can't wait to swap out batteries fevery 2 hours!
Oh no, you have to spend 10 seconds swapping batteries every 2 hours! That's unacceptable, I would rather deal with cable constantly too. I hate charging!
Oh, but I still need to charge the controllers... T-that doesn't count!

>>504180274
>Oh, but I still need to charge the controllers... T-that doesn't count!
8 hours is a lot longer than 2 hours
also doesn't matter since you can just have an extra set to swap out infinitely or use a pack just like standalone sloppers to do extend them exponentially rather than by another 2 hours
wireless hmds are just too power hungry and the amount of battery you need strapped to your head to offset it even just slightly makes the headsets weigh even more
just not worth it for the extra management, compression, latency, and comfort tradeoffs

>retarded shit
>lies
>lies
>lies
Don't even deserve a (You). Can't wait for daddy gaben to release his shit, so it's suddenly "doesn't matter and actually a good thing".

>buy a 2nd set of $300 controllers instead of 2x $40 batteries that magnet snap onto the back of the headset to play indefinitely

>>504181042
are questies such low iq braindead zombies that they can't do simple math?
>>504181306
>ignores that you can do the same for the controllers, as already mentioned
yeah questies are such low iq braindead zombies that they can't read either apparently

You wouldn't get it.
When you are out of change so you have to swap the battery while gooning with your girlfriend (male) and close to cumming, it's a real deal breaker.

>>504181424
doesn't look hotswappable to me
lmao at having them plugged in while you use them

>>504179340
No reason to go with Wifi 7 over 6E for current headsets.
>>504179907
I'd prefer hotswappable batteries, but battery banks aren't a hassle at all, especially if you're already used to a cable.
>>504180274
I think the tradeoff is worth it in pretty much every case, but there's definitely places you can notice a difference, and I'd like to have the option to switch between both depending on the game.
Why is every single console warrior retarded?

>>504181709
i know this might blow your mind as someone who is familiar with strapping a 10k mah brick to the back of your head

>he doesn't use his wire for the asphyxiation play
ngmi

>>504181716
>No reason to go with Wifi 7 over 6E for current headsets.
the discussion was about deckard

>>504181848
how is this easier or different than having brick on the back of my head is my point

>>504181848
NTA but got a link to these?

>>504181909
>the discussion was about deckard
6E had the latency improvements, 7 was mostly just more throughput on more bands for more devices
current devices can already use 7 anyway

Anyone who unironically defends index dogshit in 2024 is clinically insane.

>>504182035
pretty sure its just a generic battery stick
this is the wrist thing but there's probably easier DIY solutions
https://deadeyevr.com/products/battery-kit-index

>>504181980
it isn't and that's the point
see:
>yeah questies are such low iq braindead zombies that they can't read either apparently
and reread the post you implicitely replied to earlier just a little closer next time

>6E had the latency improvements, 7 was mostly just more throughput on more bands for more devices
At least educate yourself before talking, retard.
Every time I come to this thread it's full of braindead cretins.

>>504182289
ok point out any and all improvements a single device is gonna get you that makes it worth swapping out a 6E router for a 7 capable router
i'll happily sit by and wait

>>504182248
wait...so we aren't arguing?

>>504182490
no since batteries exist they can solve both issues
one device just starts with way more lifespan than the other is the main difference that was pointed out initially because it doesn't use as much juice per minute

NA Contractors lobby is up
Host: Silencen
Pass: 1984

>>504182367
320mhz connections. And virtually all devices support multistream.
The only thing 6e got is 6ghz band and 4096-qam which are basically a meme, so if you say there is no difference you are just uneducated cretin.
Here's a snippet my notes.

>>504182843
you do realize the weak-ass ARM chips in these devices can't even work fast enough to decode the current bitrate limits of standard 5ghz speeds sent to a single device right
even higher bitrates won't be a thing that'll help yet, and even if you tried it would just increase latency further as it struggles to decode that stream

>>504183119
You do realize that even if the frame size stays the same, having more bandwidth is still good because of lower latency?
Here's an example for the mentally challenged, if previously it took 10ms to transfer all of the frame data, if you increase the bandwidth to 200%, it will only take 5ms.
>as it struggles to decode that stream
Foveated enconding solves that issue.

>>504183596
>having more bandwidth is still good because of lower latency?
if you aren't capping your bandwidth on your home network then what's the benefit here?
>Here's an example for the mentally challenged, if previously it took 10ms to transfer all of the frame data, if you increase the bandwidth to 200%, it will only take 5ms.
why did you just ignore the fact that these chips already struggle to decode at the max bitrates we can throw at them and somehow assume they'll do even higher bitrates faster?
>Foveated enconding solves that issue.
lol
lmao
the qpro is the worst offender when it comes to its weak-ass ARM chip not being able to handle all of the shit it tries to do
the fucking device can barely keep itself alive if you try to use all of its features at once
maybe when someone finally figures it out and sells standalone hmds with eye tracking for a non retarded price in a few years, we'll finally see the benefits of Wifi 7 truly!
oh wait we'll probably have Wifi 9 by then at this rate... better upgrade again

its that time of year again
https://vrch.at/ptxee76s

>>504183914
>if you aren't capping your bandwidth on your home network then what's the benefit here?
Just like I just said, it's lower latency, you fucking retard.
Think maxing out 64k dualup connection vs 1gig network which mostly idle.
You will still notice the difference even if you only download 2mb books.

>the fucking device can barely keep itself alive if you try to use all of its features at once
That's true. Qpro is good on paper, but in reality the soc is just too weak for what it tries to do. It's still serves as a good proof of concept.
Regardless, this discussion is about deckard, qpro doesn't even have w7.

>>504184263
oops wrong picture, meant to post a mahjong one but that one was too funny

>>504184413
>Just like I just said, it's lower latency, you fucking retard.
it won't be when the device can't fucking decode any faster than it can right now though, anon! how can it go faster if the chip already struggles?
>You will still notice the difference even if you only download 2mb books.
on my vr headset? if I'm downloading anything its over ethernet already and thus wifi doesn't even matter

>qpro doesn't even have w7.
q3 and p4u do but they still use an aging xr2 gen2 chip at this point which also struggles at higher bitrates
if deckard has some magic decoding chip in it that can effortlessly decode 46 Gbit/s while using 1w of power maybe we'll be in the money

>>504184809
wait nvm apparently q3 doesn't
didn't realize they cut that corner too

I just dropped 2 bands because the size of my trackers, the shit FPS in VRC, and the weight of my headset SLIGHTLY inconvenienced me. Am I cooked? I'm already considering expensive alternatives to my index knuckles just because the shitty sensors in the sticks finally broke.

>>504183914
>why did you just ignore the fact that these chips already struggle to decode at the max bitrates we can throw at them and somehow assume they'll do even higher bitrates faster?
Bandwidth of the stream != bandwidth of the transfer channel, you autistic fuck.
Ironically, I actually was wondering if you would misread it so maybe I should have clarified that, but it was obvious from context, especially when I said "frame size stays the same". I wasn't referring to the resolution.

>>504184809
>it won't be when the device can't fucking decode any faster than it can right now though, anon! how can it go faster if the chip already struggles?
The device can't process data it doesn't yet have. You can't unzip the archive when it still didn't finish downloading, and it doesn't matter how fast you cpu is.
> if I'm downloading anything its over ethernet already and thus wifi doesn't even matter
I will use a food analogy for you next time, maybe you will understand those better.

>>504185158
>Bandwidth of the stream != bandwidth of the transfer channel, you autistic fuck.
but the entire point of this retarded argument is for a VR STREAMING DEVICE
i'm not going to be considering anything else because i mentioned ONE (1) SINGULAR target device that it would be worth upgrading for
otherwise no, its not worth the upgrade when the one device that would warrant it can't even use that new wider tunnel, is it?

>The device can't process data it doesn't yet have. You can't unzip the archive when it still didn't finish downloading, and it doesn't matter how fast you cpu is.
but it already struggles with what its being sent already
more data won't solve anything or be faster when it already can't keep up

you're just retarded bro

>>504185382
>but the entire point of this retarded argument is for a VR STREAMING DEVICE
Bandwidth of the video stream - the total size actually encoded video frames per second.
Bandwidth of the transfer channel - the total amount of bytes you can theoretically transfer per second.

PC generates a frame -> PC encodes the frame -> Transfer Time -> Device decodes the frame -> Device displays the frame to the user.
The bigger the bandwidth of the transfer channel, the faster you can transfer frame data from the PC to the Device, you retarded troglodyte.
>more data won't solve anything or be faster when it already can't keep up
Wrong. It can. We are limited by transfer bandwidth right now. Q2 can do 500mbps easily, Q3 can do 800mbps easily. Deckard would be even better.

>>504186034
And to add to that, you can sacrifice bandwidth for the ease of decode.
So if you can encode the same frame to 1mb or 2mb, 2mb frame should be easier to decode, even if the final decoded output would look the same. That's how modern encoding algorithms work.

>>504186034
>>504186361
bro you simply aren't getting it even when I repeat what I've said
the chip already struggles with bitrates we can send full throttle on non Wifi 7 routers when decoding
why on earth do you think even higher bitrates would help?
the real bottleneck with Wifi wireless slop is that the weak ARM chips just don't decode quickly
the vast majority of the latency in this example demonstrating wifi 7 versus wifi 6e is basically from decoding, which remains very similar because their decoding chips are the same
2ms in the network stack is not worth a $300-$500 upgrade lmao
what we need isn't a router upgrade, its better decoders

>>504186572
>the chip already struggles with bitrates
It doesn't. Screenshot of gaygoblin's shitware don't prove anything.
Quests through usblink easily handle 500(q2) or 800(q3), even if they shit their pants though airlink (so for the same video encoding/decoding settings, inb4 your cope), which proves that the chips themselves are more than capable.

>>504186572
>pico reports lower networking and decoding times
>also reports higher overall latency
i don't understand this thing, is it including screen latency in final calculations for both cases, but not displaying it in the list?

>>504187037
You don't understand, because those numbers are bullshit.

>>504166991
Working fine on my end.
What's breaking and how? Everything or just Continuous calibration?

>>504187037
only half or so of each unit's latency is encompassed in the breakout in the middle
the devices are slightly different resolutions and such too so its a bit weird to do direct comparisons
the video should've done 6e vs 7 on just the pico 4 ultra probably
there was also a section regarding MLO that flips things around for some reason
beats me

>>504186969
>Quests through usblink easily handle 500(q2) or 800(q3), even if they shit their pants though airlink (so for the same video encoding/decoding settings, inb4 your cope), which proves that the chips themselves are more than capable.
then why is my latency climbing as bitrate climbs?
if latency goes up at all, its not keeping up
it need to be able to handle the decoding on the fly at a negligible latency or else its just not worth it
trading off lower latency for better bitrate to get rid of compression artifacts is just cope

I can't hear anyone talking in Contractors and I doubt they can hear me and I can't fidn any working mic settings in the game

>>504187584
>then why is my latency climbing as bitrate climbs?
Not through usb, which has a much higher transfer bandwidth.
>it need to be able to handle the decoding on the fly at a negligible latency or else its just not worth it
It can't decode what it doesn't have, like I've already explained. Too bad you can't read.

>>504187860
>Not through usb, which has a much higher transfer bandwidth.
the encode/decode latencies WILL climb as bitrate climbs
that's just how it is
its a fact of life
wired streaming on these slop devices still has latency because it needs this pipeline since its not jsut a displayport connection over usb-c
imagine if it was haha

>>504187972
>the encode/decode latencies WILL climb as bitrate climbs
Not if you don't saturate the chip's decoding capacitty.
Test it out with usblink.
33ms total for Q2 on 500mps. I was surprised too when I first discovered it.
>wired streaming on these slop devices still has latency because it needs this pipeline since its not jsut a displayport connection over usb-c
You don't know anything. Displayport transfer maginitude more data, which takes time and still needs to be processed, believe it or not. We don't live in the CRT beamracing era anymore, unfortunately.

Index spring just exploded on right side of headset. How fucked am i?

>>504188417
>33ms total for Q2 on 500mps. I was surprised too when I first discovered it.
33ms over a wire is unacceptable
>You don't know anything. Displayport transfer maginitude more data
yeah but doesn't require the same extra compression pipeline that wifi streaming needs since it can't just push the data over so easily
thus making it so we could reduce latency over a wired connection
kinda neat how that works out for wired headsets that use displayport, isn't it? :)

>>504188829
you can just replace the strap or DIY nigga rig it with tape or something probably

Should I wait until Meta Quest 3 goes on sale? No real sales now.

>>504187037
I think the overall latency number in Virtual Desktop is averaged or delayed more than the individual numbers. For me it usually takes a few seconds to get back down to the usual latency after a spike even when the seperate sections have already returned to normal.

>>504188858
>33ms over a wire is unacceptable
Oh no no, he doesn't know.

>>504189127
what, are you using a tv as a monitor and think that all wired displays are as slow to display an image as that?

>>504188858
at 90Hz, maximum supported resolution, it will take around 10 ms to copy a frame directly from CPU into a display.

Are there any good VR driving / racing games that fulfill any of the following,
>have online multiplayer in a non-racing setting, like multiple real players driving around a city for shits and giggles
>multiplayer racing with voice chat
>trucking simulators that support VR out of the box
AND work with the G923?

>>504187727
Need to restart the game or check that your default audio devices are set correctly in Windows. You either got disconnected from Vivox or Vivox, which is seperate from the game settings, is using the wrong audio devices.

The indexchuddie is going to have a melty!

>>504189127
you think after encoding, sending, decoding, quest doesn't need to copy frame from it's GPU to the screen over eDP, and that operation alone takes as long as sending a frame over wire from PC GPU directly to PCVR HMD screen?

>>504189328
Assetto Corsa
Euro Truck 2
No voice chat, sorry

>>504189461
why does wifi streaming feel like you're playing VR covered in molasses?
is it because the wifi latencies get added on top of a typical 30ms?
so you're at the very least doubling latency on just the dashboard?

>>504189464
Yeah!
The reality sometimes goes against the "common sense" of you tiny brain. Sorry!

>>504189647
>no the quest doesn't need to display the image it just processed over the network stack like a monitor would
interesting turn of events

>>504189461
That's controller movement to photon latency, and there wasn't even one study quoted in any of these discussion which compared it apples to apples with quest headsets.

Latency shown in Virtual Desktop and such is ONE game render + encode + send + decode, it doesn't include polling of the controllers + sending data over wifi, and it doesn't include copying the frame from quest GPU to it's screens and all the VSYNC buffers in between

>>504189634
>why does wifi streaming feel like you're playing VR covered in molasses?
Because the quality of the experience is directly correlated with the quality of the setup. It's much harder to have skill issue when all you need to do is plug a wire.
Basically, wireless streaming is discriminating against low iq niggers.

>>504189874
so it takes a high iq to get used to having high latency?
very interesting...

>>504189874
you haven't tried real vr, so you think the slugishness is just how vr is supposed to feel

>>504189823
>YOU ARE LYING! LIES LIES! EVERYONE IS LYING! WIRE IS STILL THE KING! INDEX IS STILL THE BEST!
Okay.

>>504189874
this
I had much less latency playing wireless after upgrading my home wifi

>>504190114
Its not lies, you are comparing full motion to photon latency just with the transmission latency, and are excluding controller polling time and time spent aending the image from quest gpu to screens.

As I said, I have yet to see Wifi pcvr motion to photon study, but as a experienced vr user I can say it feels more sluggish, even at lowest bandwith and low reported latency.

>>504190185
what was your latency before and after
what is it currently?
even the best setups benchmarked that I can find online are at the very least in the 30-40ms range which is still double that of the alleged numbers given by a study that isn't even measuring anything related to encode/decode/network latencies

>>504190352
>As I said, I have yet to see Wifi pcvr motion to photon study
wivrn attempts to present an estimated photon latency number and its massive compared to what virtual desktop shows for other tests; like 80-100ms
but its just an estimate so who knows, right? :)

>>504190352
>with the transmission latency
Wrong. Both facebook and the vd goblin say it's motion-to-photon. So it's apples to apples comparison.

>>504190541
>still double that of wired headsets with the best of setups possible
so that's why it still feels bad even with a goated setup?

>>504190541
>Say
>Trust me bro
I said experimental study which measures time from controller movement to pixels changing color, just like the study you quoted, you clown.

>>504190703
Funny enough it's a study most questlets could jerry rig themselves, using any modern high end phone which has 240 fps slow motion or something.

Needs a little app, which changes background color when there is controller movement, could even be a VRChat world.

>>504188829
you too huh? I just left mine alone (all the springs are done now, just that metal slide part left) because I feel like if I duct tape it might add more pressure and break it even more.

>>504190616
It doesn't.
>goated
So this is the intelligence level of an index defender, huh.

>>504190703
>Source: They are lying, trust me instead!
The study is consistent for rift s with facebook's debug display latency, so the debug display latency can be trusted. It shows consistent data for quests too.
Your only argument is that they are lying, but only for the wireless headsets. Come on. Just hard can you cope?

>>504191135
Fuck it, I'll try to jerry rig a test this weekend. My phone only supports 120 FPS slow-mo though.

>>504191975
>>It doesn't.
>best benches show high 30s-40s ms
>using wifi 7 dedicated for this one device
>anon's graph shows 28ms for index 144hz (LCD), 20ms for cv1 (OLED)
uh huh
yep
gotcha bud
twice as slow isn't bad, you're right
and thats going along with the idea that the network stack pipeline magically transports the image onto the display without using an internal ribbon cable or connector, which it does since that data has to get from the networking parts of the chip to the gpu and then finally to the displays somehow

>>504191975
>The study is consistent for rift s with facebook's debug display latency, so the debug display latency can be trusted.

For wired headsets. WiFi headset debug latency was not empirically validated in publicly accessible studies.


Will you film your monitor, controller and quest display with slow-mo mode of your phone to prove it once an for all after I prepare the test world?

>>504192350
>twice as slow
Math isn't your strong suit, huh.
>fucking magnets how do they work?!

>>504192462
Yeah, the wireless fuckers are lying, there is no way it's that close to index.
Show me the curve!

also if wifi streaming is on par with displayport latency, why did HTC even bother with this update?
https://www.vive.com/us/product/vive-focus-vision/overview/
I don't get it anons, what's going on here?
I think I need my tinfoil hat for this one...

>>504192594
>Math isn't your strong suit, huh.
seeing it reach 48 in a basic game like beat saber is already more than double 20 which is what the cv1 reports in at
OLED is generally the fasted motion to photon example and LCDs fall behind it quite a bit
I expect uOLED to be the same way

>>504189461
and where is quest?

>>504192682
why bother advertising this as the best performance when you already have a usb-c cable connection available?
isn't it just as good?

>>504192682
>what is marketing?
Yeah, it's not half of the target audience are fucking retarded, just like this thread proves once again.

>>504192682
>https://www.vive.com/us/product/vive-focus-vision/overview/
their DP mode overrides XR2 and the VFV displays are connected directly to GPU, so it eliminates encoding, decoding, second copy from HMD GPU to screens.

Transmission of uncompressed frame using DP takes basically the same amount of time as transmission of compressed frame over WiFi...

>>504192953
>Transmission of uncompressed frame using DP takes basically the same amount of time as transmission of compressed frame over WiFi...
so why make this cable and kit?
why sell it?
why advertise it as being lower latency and their existing wifi and usb-c compressed methods?

>>504192945
>a company goes through R&D to produce an updated revision to a product just because they think it will sell a few extra cable kits (that got sold for free with the device)
the plot is certainly thickening at alarming rates...

>>504193053
see
>>504192945

>>504193140
but if there's no benefit why make it?
why not just keep the old focus 3 around rather than deprecate it and sell this at a lower cost with more accessories?

>>504193139
Only a retard would consider vive focus in the first place, so the meme kit might just be the final nail which secures the purchase.

>>504193053
because it eliminates 10 ms of encode, 10 ms of decode, and 10 ms of copying from HMD GPU to screens.

It's just 10 ms of copying from PC GPU to VR HMD screens. (+ like 10 ms of game render + polling + vsync buffor of one frame, which would result in ~30 ms of the motion to photon from the quoted study)

isn't nofio terrible?
their reported video latency ranges from what looks like 3.5-12ms
anecdotal comparison between it and the quest 3 using an air bridge allegedly was much lower latency

>>504193298
>but if there's no benefit
the retards like you believe there is a benefit, so they do it, see products for audiophiles, which is ironically kinda similar
they make products to sell

>>504193591
>the retards like you believe there is a benefit, so they do it, see products for audiophiles, which is ironically kinda similar
then why does the encode, decode, and hmd gpu pass off being skipped make it lower latency after all? like anon said here >>504193573
how did they skip all of that before when using a compressed video feed over wifi and usb-c?

>>504193591
of course there is latency decrease and video quality increase as video is uncompressed.

>he thinks stereoincorrect video compression bluriness is how VR is supposed to look like
also, let me guess, you never played any actual game.

>>504193573
>" the land of make-believe: why index is still good" the post

>>504193752
Because that anon is pulling numbers out of his ass.

>>504190354
I didn't run benchmarks, but it was very noticeable before and I was feeling nauseous. Now It's barely noticeable and I don't feel nauseous. Also my old network setup was so shitty it was bottlenecking download speeds on my PC. Whoops!

>>504193869
>>" the land of make-believe: why index is still good" the post
but anon the index isn't the only wired headset out there?

>>504193924
The only one worth considering, even if only as a joke.

https://www.uploadvr.com/htc-promises-less-7ms-latency-intels-wireless-vive/
how did HTC get their wireless latency to be 7ms?
did they somehow make it faster than a cable if anon is to be believed?

>>504194024
nah there's good headsets out there
the quest isn't really the end-all be-all headset, anon I'm sorry to break that to you

BOOTH BAN FRIDAY (no furries or TDAs either) IS LIVE if anyone wants to join
https://vrch.at/p5jrs5y4

>>504194153
such as? let's laugh together

>>504193869
Typical VD numbers are 10 ms encode, 10 ms decode, up to 10 ms transmit, 10 ms game render, and then it doesn't show the time to querry controllers and time to copy frame from quest gpu to quest displays. Display port eliminates encode, decode, wifi transmit, only leaves querry, game render and copy from PC GPU to HMD displays.

But again, as I said, there was no motion to photon latency experiments for WiFi connected headsets, and you are trying to compare unreliable estimator with concrete data.

>>504194260
>everyone is lying, except me, the wireless has 3 hour latency on average, just trust me
okay

>>504194079
It's actually more or less the same as transmission over cable. Vive wireless has super fast slight lossless compression, and 5 Gigabit WiGig. When original Vive would need around 8 Gigabits for completely uncompressed video.

>>504194260
don't care. can't tell the difference so all your nerd numbers mean nothing

>>504194079
60ghz + dedicated card+ compression which you could not adjust
its still pretty good

"Slight lossless"? That's a new term.

>>504194236
here's a few recent ones in the wired pcvr space
https://vr-compare.com/compare?h1=0q3goALzg&h2=XrzADUlF1&h3=6nd6PhR_A&h4=F206d3eAD&h5=uQn8c_Ufb
they might not use the XR2's magic sauce of including an entire compression pipeline inbetween your PC's GPU sending your HMD's display an image, but they're certainly more modern in terms of resolution than the index is
index is still a decent overall device since you can grab them for fairly cheap, even new in box, from the likes of tundra labs
beats having to buy accessories for a glorified smartphone that's permanently stuck with wifi streaming latencies that anons try to whisk away with hopeful dreams

>>504194527
its was not lossless
T. vive pro user for 4 years
unless i missed something

>>504194421
Nobody is lying, idiot, you are comparing actual measured motion-to-photon experimentally measured delays to encode-transmit-decode delay which is reported on your debug overlay. It's not the whole motion-to-photon latency.

I ask you once again, would you film your quest, display and controller using slow-mo feature of your phone if an appropriate testing enviroment is prepared? Are you ready to experimentally verify your beliefs?

>>504194580
so true
watching shills argue about 13ms for hours is part of why i started posting more on /trash/
shit's boring

>>504194628
but is it truly faster than the 30ms latency that anon says the wire has?
how'd they do it?

>>504194709
dont use my wife for your shit

>index is still a decent overall device
Stopped reading here. Opinion discarded.

>>504194806
>It's not the whole motion-to-photon latency.
>I DON'T CARE IF THEY ARE SAYING IT'S FULL MOTION-TO-PHOTON! THEY ARE LYING!
Okay. "Nobody is lying" btw.

>>504194815
>trash niggers hate vr
pottery

>>504182774
thanks for contractors was good stabbing you guys
hope to see this hosted more it's at a perfect time for me

>>504194709
slightly compressed stream, just to cut from 8 to 5 gigabits

>>504194771
Vive pro